Rob's Road to Hercules: Contest Prep

Hey @robstein

Recently you and Brick were giving me some advice on how to bring up my legs. Then I had to go to Vegas for work (again…ick). Because of all those days off in Vegas, I decided to change up my split a bit. Two leg days now (the first one is ham-centric, second is quad-centric).

I’ll tell you what…doing heavy squats after intense ham work (not just 4 sets of lying leg curls) gave the word “intense” new meaning with squats. I’m also finding that splitting legs a bit more like that doesn’t wreck my CNS the next day. Thanks for the advice. I think I was stuck in a leg training routine (despite reading several articles and what-not online over the past years).

By the way…it’s been about a week since you started your mini-cut. How’s that going? Any measurable progress so far?

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Definitely does! It’s amazing what just flipping the order of exercises around can do and how different the movements can feel.

I find the same man, very glad it’s working out nicely for you!

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Yeah today is day 12, nothing significant but I have lost just under 2lbs. I took these yesterday on day 11.

Here’s a comparison pic from a couple weeks earlier, before I started my “mini-cut”.


Hard to tell from a straight ahead angle, again nothing significant but I do think I look a little bit leaner/tighter and I do feel a little bit leaner/tighter. It’s been good to see a little movement relatively quickly. I didn’t see any scale movement for the first 8 days which is typical, but I knew I was in a slight deficit plus added cardio, so I wanted to wait a full two weeks before seeing if I needed to make further adjustments. Right now I’m gonna keep doing what I’m doing, which has been:

-Creating a ~15% daily deficit with nutrition
-Doing ~20 minutes of MISS after each weight session
-HIIT - Last week I did one HIIT session consisting of sprints/running for about 50 min total, including warm up, intervals and jogging afterwards. This past Wednesday I was going to do another one, but for some reason my lower back was hurting that day, possibly from the day before when I trained twice (AM and PM sessions.) So I decided to take Wednesday off of HIIT and got a few long, slow walks in throughout the day. As I’m not in an actual prep right now and am just trying to drop a little fat, I see no reason to stress my body out more than needed.

I leave for California on the 18th, returning the 30th, and I’ll be continuing trying to cut during the trip until I get back. While I’m in CA I’ll be pretty active all day on the marching band field working with a bunch of bands that are performing my music, and will also have time to train every morning. I’ll be in NorCal and SoCal for a week each, not sure where I’ll be training yet but there’s no shortage of gyms in either of the neighborhoods I’ll be staying.

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lookin’ good there, fatty

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Thanks @Yogi1, enjoying following along on your training thoughts log bro!

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I’m counting on Rob to ruin some people’s day next Spring :smiley:

S

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A couple pics from earlier tonight, nothing like taking off season progress pics to keep the nutrition in check. Trying to stay as lean as possible while making gains, currently on a slow and easy cut for the next few weeks for my trip, and to lose a little of the fat I’ve accumulated over the last 12-13 weeks of being in a caloric surplus. I think getting a little leaner and cutting back carbs for just a few weeks will help me make some more progress when I’m back on a surplus.

Bringing up my arms is priority numero uno this off season. Still a lot of work to be done, but I think I’ve made some progress and am glad I still have about 4 months to keep working at it until I start my next prep.

Somewhat related thought/rant here, I wish more bodybuilders/competitors would post off season pics. It would be pretty educational I think to see what people look like in the off season. Sure we’ve seen the more famous off season pics of the IFBB guys, but I’m referring to more “normal” competitors. Maybe I just don’t see them or can’t find them, but it seems untrendy to do in general, especially in social media. During the off season a lot of people will post pictures from their contest season, either from the show or very late in the prep when they were already cut up. But very rarely off season pics.

I saw a post recently by a WNBF Pro, who is very popular on the social media sites, about how he is really having trouble making a decision, whether he should gain a little more weight to make more progress in his off season and prepare to kill some pro shows, although doing so would make him “less marketable.” So, to gain some weight, let the abs blur for a bit and make some serious progress, or maintain a level of leanness that the followers like to “like” and risk making optimal gains. And the thing is, I agree with that. Unfortunately, people just aren’t interested in seeing real off-season pics of guys just trying to make progress, at least the average person doesn’t. They equate looking ripped to being a good coach, rather than someone who clearly has accomplished great things and achieved success but might not be currently shredded at the moment. Although the people that aren’t interested in real progress pics and just want to see pictures of guys looked ripped probably aren’t even into bodybuilding or training at all.

Alright, not really a point to all of that, just a bit of a rant lol.

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feeling the love here, brother. Appreciate you following my random ramblings!

I ask a lot of questions in here and in Brick’s thread because I’m trying to work out exactly what @The_Mighty_Stu does with his clients and do it myself!

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Lol - damn that Mighty Stu and all his training and diet secrets!

S

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Hell yeah man! That’s what these threads are for!

Ha, “secrets.” I remember asking Stu, “hey man, I want to start a prep log on T-Nation, but I don’t want to give anything away, do you not want me to post macros or get too specific with our plan?” His response was something along the lines of, “there are no secrets, your plan works for you.” Stu has a wealth of experience from his time as a competitor, coach and judge, and many different “tools in the kit” to whip out as needed.

One of the primary things that makes Stu such an effective coach is that he makes sure he understands each client and adjusts their plan accordingly to their life, habits, and he realizes the importance of this, because people will have the most success with the plan that is most practical for them to execute consistently. A lot of coaches will literally give the same plan out to their clients and say, “do this” without any explanation or in depth thought/analysis. Granted some of these guys are so busy that they probably don’t have time to be more individualized. Stu has mentioned this to me also, that he makes sure he doesn’t take on more clients than will allow him to give each person the time and attention that’s needed to be a great coach. During my prep we texted every day and talked multiple times per week, he always got right back to me. The last 4 weeks we talked every day, I mean every single freaking day, often early in the morning before either of us got to school, while I was doing my cardio and he would talk me off the ledge lol.

Another thing is that the adjustments to nutrition and cardio are very smart, slow and steady, and again really made accordingly to each person. Every decision also was very much team work between the two of us. One example was with incorporating my refeed and raising cals/carbs leading up to my second show, certainly not a typical adjustment. But we spoke at length about what was going on, what was working and what wasn’t, and eventually arrived at the re-feed, and it worked out nicely. Stu realizes that everyone isn’t the same, and what works for one won’t work for another. Sometimes we tried things that we thought would work and didn’t, but eventually we found my formula and I know we’ll hit the ground running next prep.

Additionally, Stu was a fierce competitor! It’s surprising to me the amount of coaches out there that never put themselves through the ringer. Stu went through the gauntlet, killing himself for years to earn those pro cards, and his ability to understand and relate to going through the prep, the stress, the “what if this what if that” that every competitor goes through, I always knew he had my back and truly knew what I was dealing with.

I’ve learned a ton from him, as well as by really reflecting and taking careful data during the prep and after my shows. I recently started coaching a few people as a result of some folks getting in touch with me who have been following along on this thread and on my more recent IG account. One of them is a good friend who used to be very heavy, I think I posted pics of him earlier. He’s now in the best shape of his life, and we’ve just been making slow and steady adjustments over the past year. When he has a change in his schedule, work or otherwise, we adjust accordingly so he can keep progressing. Another guy is getting ready to compete soon but doesn’t have a date in mind, right now we’re trying to gain some mass and get him used to consistent training and nutrition before starting a prep. Both are having great success so far, and I consider myself extremely fortunate to have met Stu on here, becoming my coach and good friend, and I’ve been able to learn from him and apply those techniques, as well as my own, to my own clients.

This next one is pretty exciting, my wife caught the bug and we are starting her first prep at the end of this month! Even better and badass, she’s doing female bodybuilding. She’s been training hard for years, but when she expressed interest in competing at the end of the summer, we thought it would be best for her to train and build for a bit first. So, at the beginning of summer I helped her construct a great training plan, and nutrition plan in an effort to find her maintenance calories and macros, so when we start prepping we can know we’re in a deficit right away and we’ll have progress sooner than later. We were very close on the first try and after a few small adjustments based on her schedule, found maintenance on the dot. She’s been making awesome progress with her physique and also recomping in the process, her weight has been consistent but she’s been slowly losing fat and getting leaner. I think this individualized type of approach I learned from Stu is so essential to success. I’m crazy excited for her, and to be able to be her support system and coach her through her first contest. Although truthfully part of me doesn’t want her to do it, because I don’t want to see her suffer through the brutality of a prep. But ultimately, I know she’s gonna kick ass and I can’t wait to see her transformation.

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Where’s her thread? I want to hear her bitch about her coach.

Looking beefy!

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Thanks for the kind words brother. They really do mean a lot. I miss my days on the stage, but it’s definitely a different type of rewarding feeling helping others to reach their own goals.

Some people will never believe that there aren’t secrets though. It’s science sure, but without hgard work, discipline and support, you ain’t going nowhere :slight_smile:

Heck, Brad (Brick) is one of the brightest guys I’ve met on here, and despite his multiple degrees and accomplishments as an RD, I don’t think anything could have truly prepared him for an honest to goodness hardcore bodybuilding contest prep. That’s when you find out how mentally tough you really are, pubmed studies be damned.

Your perspective certainly changes coming out “on the other side” huh?

S

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If this isn’t the truth…I’ve done some really challenging things in life but the grind of contest prep intermingled with everyday life…was rough. And I feel bad for my wife as well…lol

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Yeah this really can’t be understated, hearing/reading about a prep vs getting through the last 4-6 weeks, and even the entire thing, rotating life around your training and meals, etc. Life in general seems so much easier after it’s over, almost like you get your life “back” when it’s done (Even though you’re the one who decided to do it!)

Yeah, @BrickHead and I were talking about this earlier last week. The toll it takes on your family, especially immediate family/spouse, is quite significant. They have to deal with the meal prep, not being able to go out to eat (or at least having to deal with you going, “ok well hold on I have to bring my cooler!”, training/cardio schedule, the lack of time you’ll be spending with them, etc. Another reason to not do too many shows in a year, and makes it much easier to understand how some folks might not do it again after one season.

I know now I’m in the clear for next season, but sometime in the next few years I’m sure kids will be in our future, so we’ll see what happens then. For now, I’m chasing 2017!

Here’s a recent squat video, 275x10 on my 3rd set. Usually I’ll start with squats, then go to leg press and then leg extensions (typically single leg), and that’s my quad workout. Sometimes I’ll start with leg extensions first, and then squat. I’m not specifically trying to “pre-exhaust”, for me it’s more the feeling and pump I get in my quads when I start with leg extensions, I feel like I can get a harder contraction versus doing them at the end. Ultimately I don’t think it makes much of a difference in the long run in terms of muscle mass being built, but really just changes the way the workout feels. Variety is important, so I’ll switch up the order every now and then just for the sake of switching it up. More often than not I’ll start with squats because I feel fresh and like I have the power I need to squat hard and heavy, all squat sets are sets of 10-12, but usually 10. I’ll usually ramp my squats as well as leg press, so sometimes on the first set if I get to 10 and know I have more in the tank, I’ll get out a couple more reps.

Leg press I’m usually higher reps, in the 15-20 area. I’ll warm up starting with 4 plates on each side, then 5, then 6, first working set typically starting with 7-8 plates on each side, eventually ending with 9-10 on each side. This allows me to push hard for 15-20 reps. I could go heavier, but doing lower reps on the leg press kills my knees, so higher rep ranges work well for me there. Sometimes I’ll include some partials at the end for good measure and to make sure I can’t walk straight, hobbling up the stairs leaving the gym.

Later in the week I’ll hit hamstrings directly along with chest. Calves I always hit twice a week, sometimes after quads, sometimes not. Some days I just am so wrecked after quads, I know hitting calves would be worthless, so I’ll toss them in after arms or shoulders sometimes. Long as they’re worked twice a week with a couple days in between, that’s what matters most.

Man, I can’t tell you how thrilled I am to see you pumping out low bar squats. I think your back angle is a little too vertical, lol, but this makes me feel so much better about my battles with squats, injuries, decisions.

I was just thinking about this today, about goals, do I want to get stronger or bigger, and, of course, if you get bigger, you will get stronger, and vice versa.

But, thrilled to see you squatting, and squatting well, nice job!

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Thanks man! Squats I’ve been back and forth with, I actually stopped squatting during the second half of my prep due to some lower back issues I was having from the spinal compression, I think the depletion of the prep just knocked me out. I was also still doing rack pulls though at the time, which I’ve recently stopped. So now, I don’t deadlift in any form at all, which was a great decision for my training. My back feels so much better, and I can focus on building my back as needed and not worry about “but you gotta deadlift!”

Squats I gotta be careful as well with the lower back, but I find one squat session per week for 3 sets is totally manageable.

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The “mini-cut” continues to go well. I haven’t lost a ton of scale weight, it’s been 3 pounds in the past 3 weeks, so averaging 1lb per week, which is pretty good movement. The slower/steadier the better, ensuring all fat and no LBM loss, and considering I’ve only made small nutritional adjustments and added a little MISS after weights, (only did 1 HIIT workout and decided to save that for the prep), I’ll certainly take 3lbs!

For the off season, I’m happy with my conditioning. The leaner I can start my next prep in February, the better. Here are some comparison pics from last night, compared with my same 160lbs 9 months ago. Looking at these long term comparison pics, I’m holding more muscle and less fat at 160lbs, excited to see what it looks like “under the hood” when I start prepping again. Side note, looking at my posing from the beginning of my prep is hysterical to me, I suck. Posing practice, LOTS of it, is such a great tool, whether competing or not!




Arms are my main focus for the off season, still more work to be done, but I think they’re looking more proportional lately and have made some progress.

On my last post I went off on a small rant about people not posting off season pics and only wanting to post pics of themselves all ripped up. I totally get it, and to be honest I am always a little apprehensive posting off season pics, because we always want to make sure we present well and if there’s no “wow” factor of being shredded, it’s like, why post it? Personally, I like to keep everyone updated on my off season for a couple of reasons:
-I do not consider myself advanced by any means, I’m not a pro, I only have one season and two shows under my belt, and only recently felt comfortable calling myself a “bodybuilder” after doing these shows. The journey is never ending, and I feel I’m at the beginning. Because of all this, I think it’s good to show realistic, no bells-and-whistles or fancy lighting, progress updates to share the journey, and to show that we do not go through the entire year looking contest ready and what it’s like to try to progress in the off season for a natural just getting into the sport.
-To show the thought process behind the training and nutrition, and that there’s not some mystical aspect of it, just simple planning that requires consistency in execution and lots of time.
-It helps keep me accountable in the off season. I’m extremely motivated for 2017, but let’s be honest, if we know we’re gonna be posting progress pics, we’re certainly less tempted to snack when we know we shouldn’t!

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Bro - your shoulders are noticeable more developed too.

#sockgamestrong

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Thanks man, very encouraging that others are able to see some improvement. Shoulders and arms in general need to improve, looking at my pics from the last show they look disproportionally small compared to the chest/back. 4 more months to get some serious work done.

Lol, no doubt socks are an extremely important aspect of training, I feel they make me more anabolic, as does my hat.

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