I’ve aborted 83mg e3d. I’m blowing up like a water balloon and getting signs of gyno flare.
Too much at once and its clearly aromatising.
Going to try 50mg eod so 175mg but more regular dosing. Should help with the prop ester in the sus.
I know the recomendation is to stick a protocal but the gynonflare is bad on 83 e3d- felt quite teary too.
You can’t keep changing your dose. When you charge your dose the body has to readjust. You need to give at 6-8 weeks then assess symptoms.
It looks like you gave this 6 days? If I increase my test i’ll retain some water for just over a week then it dumps off quickly. I would give it a little more time. Is your BP going up?
10 days. It was a lot of water and the gyno flare was enough that I could tell I’m aromatasing a lot along with being teary.
I’ve kept the dose similair but gone to eod rather than e3d.
I’m not waiting for 6 weeks to see if it improves when I’m growing tits.
I gave the last protocal 16 weeks- I’m going to give this eod version of the higher dose similair
I’m feeling really really good on the eod protocal.
Libido is better. Feel happy. Got energy and am recovering really well from exercise. Sleep is better too!
Only problem is I’m still getting itchy breast tissue and its definitely increasing with time despite using some tamoxifen.
@highpull would you advocate a small amount of ai in these circumstances?
I was thinking if trying 1/8 arimiadex twice per week?
I’d want to know where your levels are. Generally, no, but my nipples feel fine. I suppose you have to determine how much it’s bothering you. I’d consider manipulating your dosing, but you are feeling good right now. Keep in mind estradiol maybe part of the reason for that. Maybe try some DIM? If nothing is helping, then a trial of low dose anastrozole is an option.
Thanks for that.
I was thinking if getting some p5p too. Ill try a combination of those supplements first.
Useful advice as always- thank you
Guys have avoided their gyno by managing the dose. Don’t forget that the reason behind gyno is due to an imbalance of hormones. Nowhere does it say due to an increase in estrogen or whatever. Think about the kids who get it. If their estrogen is high due to diet, then they are having less T product and due to that less everything else like dht and downstream everything.
When you find the right balance you will not have to deal with gyno. Right now it might be flaring up.
With the right dose it will shrink again right ?
Thats very true. Although I’m high SHBG and the SHBG molecule binds tighter to Test than E2.
I have to take a certain level to get free t at a range I feel benefits- but is this with increased e2?
I do wonder if high SHBG guys are more prone to gyno and can benefit from a very small amount of ai for that very reason?
I havent tried an ai yet I’m on a doing schedule that is working very well for me at the minute. Lots of symptom relief and no sides at all except I’m getting the itching chest mass and a bit of growth. Im sticking it out and doing bloods in a few weeks to see whats what on this schedule.
Medi-Ch?
Had mine done there last time too👍
What’s your protocol, dosage a week and frequency?
Thanks
Yep confirmed. Thats on an EOD protocal taken morning before jab due.
I’m gonna take a full week off any jabs to let this decline then run a lower dose. Its really built up over time with the longer esters in the sustanon.
Currently doing 0.22ml of sustanon eod. Think I’m.going to move that to 0.22 e3d. Its basically a vial broken into 4 syringes after the loss.
In mg thats going from 190mg to 130mg weekly. Getting a bit annoyed with pinning eod so worth a try at e3d again.
I can always work it back up slightly later but I want to get my hematocrit back in line. Booked to give blood on Sunday too!
Anecdotally I’ve been ok on the current dosage. Sporting performance and recovery is insane. I am however looking a bit bloated in the face and carrying a few extra kg in water.
I saw some interesting post today here about dosage, frequency and high hematocrit, looks like too frequent jabs like ED or EOD keeps u at a higher trough leading to a higher hematocrit, maybe @highpull can help you since he prefers the once a week approach
Cheers
Can’t say I’ve seen much difference between weekly, twice weekly and thrice weekly dosing. If anything, I’d say hgb and hct lean higher on more frequent dosing.
I have not seen enough, any actually, guys who stuck with daily dosing for more than a couple of months.
How much is giving blood likely to bring this down in the immediate?
Want it under 50 - although I’ve been killing it on the bike and these numbers clearly explain the additional power!
Plenty of water and half an asprin a day for a bit too?
Mighty impressive ftp. What did you weigh at that?
I’m right in thinking you had a cardiac episode? Were you on trt to help with cycling?
Knowing the history of pantani etc I’m extremely aware of the dangers of running it higher- my worry is affording regular enough tests to keep an eye on it too!
Yeah, there’s a reason the Tour de France guys ran their hct into the mid 60s.
Hard to say on the blood donation, I typically see 2-4%.
@roadie did you manage to solve your problems with moobs? tamox worked?
@sakuragi it fluctuates.
There’s definitely growth happened since I started and ill probably end up having surgery at some point.
Its not horrendous but there’s some there and you know what- considering how much positive impact TRT has had on everything I’m ok with it.
Its been worth it just to kill the migraines that were plaguing me all the time!
