I’ve lost the zinc and the Tamoxifen.
I’ve been the happiest for the last 48 hours or so that I’ve been in YEARS.
I’ve been struggling with pretty heavy depression for a decade.
Life just seems Peachy! Please tell me this is sustainable for a long run if I get dialled in?
I wish I could tell you that, but homeostasis is an evil thing sometimes.
Keep us posted
Confused about this because you keep saying fatigue. You have all types of issues that TRT is not resolving. Thyroid is the other major hormone therapy that men need and regularly disregard.
TRT didnt work for me until i got my thyroid therapy started.
You are trying all types of things and banging your head against the wall. The symptoms you refer to sound like they could be thyroid.
Fatigue. Brain Fog. Depression. Metabolism and fat burn. overall feeling of well being is gone. Test doesnt put a dent in this if the thyroid is not performing well.
Forget about shbg and thyroid labs mean nothing if you have symptoms and T isn’t fixing them.
T IS definitely helping them. VERY evidently- bare in mind I’m only 5 weeks in and I’m not dialled in by any stretch yet - too much swings between high and low and I know I’m getting a bit too much aromatisation as my tits are sore and the tamoxifen wasn’t helping mood either.
A summary of what has improved:
ED is virtually cured except for 48 hours a couple of days back. Libido is back- I’d literally completely lost interest in sex before. Im 38!
Brain fog is sooooo much better- you say its not working for me- if you read my log you’ll see I’ve mentioned this is improving. Watching films again etc and am able to concentrate on a conversation etc. Had a meal out without zoning out of every conversation and feeling exhausted last week.
Anxiety is virtually gone. It was becoming crippling before!
I can exercise again without feeling like I’m 70 and about to fall apart for 2 weeks afterwards and sore for weeks after 1 run or ride. In fact I’m training every day so this is huge.
Fatigue is a LOT better but not fixed yet- I’ve mentioned fatigue as it was the tipping pointthat was poor life quality- I’d been gradually getting worse inmany symptom areas and this was the final crunch.
I’m borderline HYPERTHYROID. I’ve had multiple thyroid panels and I’m not low.
However all the medical literature does say high thyroid does send SHBG up- my SHBG is high and has been demonsttatably for 2 years. Its clearly having a Knock-on effect on my sex hormones.
I’m choosing to explore this as I’d rather do this and drive my SHBG down with T than to take meds to suppress my thyroid.
I’ve had EVERY Low T symptom in the book for a few years- including growing tits (again a HYPERthyroid symptom- SHBG knock-on). Low Thyroid doesn’t cause that.
One other thing- a month ago I wouldn’t want to reply and disagree with you. I do however respectfully disagree. Thanks for the input though- I’m not doing anymore Thyroid panels, its been ruled out many a time by my GP when complaining about fatigue and I’m at the other end of the scale to low thyroid.
I’ve had EVERY test under the sun under the NHS, the one thing thay keeps coming back is high SHBG and free T right at bottom end.
Day before injection (e5d 125mg- switched to this 3 or 4 jabs ago
I feel amazing.
Probably tmi but keep getting semi chubbs. I’ve not had that since a lot of my issues started years ago - long story but I had glandular fever and it affected function.
I’m getting stronger- I train to power (wattages) and I’m shocked watts happening (pun intended).
I’m so much happier. My wife can’t believe the difference and wants me to stay the journey with this.
I’ve stopped hating my dog: seriously!
I’ve rekindled some friendships that went stale as I had started finding human contact annoying and people kept getting under my skin.
Banter is like water off a ducks back- used to get upset sometimes by stuff that should have been funny.
I’m enjoying music again- I’ve always loved music and its done nothing for me for a long time.
I want to do things- EVERYTHING had become an effort- the thought of going on holiday was a chore not a pleasure. All I wanted to do was sleep before.
I’m sure there’s lots else that I’ve forgotten
I’m just starting to realise how Ill I’ve been.
Shit me- is this real? Slightly worried I’m going to crash off if this like some sort of post cocain bender!
1 downside at min- definitely getting a bit of chest growth. Not going to panic, need to get dialled in fully when I’ve got labs and can see Estrogen and Prolactin figures.
Dude.
Man’s best deserves some treats for your behavior.
So first jab of Sustanon yesterday morning.
125mg IM. (Doing e5d) so 175mg per week.
Yesterday evening I was pretty snappy- had less patience and told a mate via WhatsApp he can “f right off”.
I think the prop ester might be noticeable there- or it might just be total test levels and a coincidence. I’m going to monitor it though- I may need to go more frequent if it has that effect.
Jab due tomorrow- I’ve felt brilliant this week.
My power output on the bike has gone up 10% since starting TRT and after last nights ride I think a few “drugs?” Questions sre being asked- had guys getting spat out the back of the Pelton left right and centre whilst I was smashing it.
Libido has been good but not silly.
Feel really happy- a decade of depression has basically completely gone.
Ah another roadie what’s up bro
Forget those guys who are questioning your performance. Just tell them you feel better than ever and have changed things up in diet and training
I need to get back on the bike. Some new asshat ran into the back of my Sworks tarmac from 2018 and I’m just so angry I have to do a crash replacement. Nobody makes frames for calipers anymore.
Where are your living?
I’m UK based Enackers. Currently living in Sheffield. Possibly moving down south soon though!
Had one guy last night huffing and puffing and at the top of a climb almost have a go at me “you’ve been doing more than you’re making out” lol.
I guess the additional recovery and probably hematocrit is really starting to help. My legs are noticeably bigger!
I’m due my 3rd shot of Sustanon tomorrow-
Its noticeably giving me more swing than the enanthat was- I’m a bit more 'ready to pop at the peak, and feel flatter at trough.
Election quality and libido worse than where I was on enanthate also. Going to stick with 125mg Sustanon e5d (175mg per week), for another 3 weeks then do full bloodwork.
I can see me switching to the 83mg e3.5d after that.
@highpull quick bit of advice please?-
I’m definitely feeling more swings having switched from enanthate to Sustanon (125mg e5d). Ive done 2 jabs of sus now and I’m due 3rd today.
Had more itchy nips
Erection quality and libido has decreased.
I dont have bloods yet - doing these in 2.5 weeks.
Would it be worth switching now to 83mg e3.5d? That way the bloods will show levels having been doing that for 5 jab cycles- or would you suggest leaving as is for another 2.5 weeks and getting bloods?
I can’t go back to Test E due to cost so got to get this dialled in with Sus somehow.
Unless completely unbearable, I would ride it out. You’ll have lab results to compare with whatever your next protocol is when you decide to switch and have a better understanding of how you uniquely metabolize Sustanon.
Thanks. I actually went back to my physician since writing that this morning.
The numb dick and itchy nips aren’t unbearable but I’m conscious I don’t want gyno and bloods are expensive- so we sre going to switch it up for 3 weeks then get some bloods
He didn’t ok the 83mg e3.5 days and want me to try 62.5mg e3.5d. I’m going to do 62.5mg e3d which equates to 140mg per week.
I played around with steroid plotter (pain in the bum putting a mix of 4 esters into steroid plotter).
Anyway- I did a load of looking at peaks and troughs of what you can do with Sustanon and where I was at with enanthate.
I think I felt good when about 17mg per day was being released- so 62.5mg Sustanin e3d mimics this pretty well for a good chunk of time so I’m going to give that a go.
See what bloods say in 3 weeks.
Thanks for input- unbearable not quite the word but bad enough I am definitely changing it up now.
Pretty tender chest tissue and noticing some growth.
I’ve had Gyno surgery in the past (developed it alongside the low t symptoms about 4 years ago having never done gear or had an issue as a teenager).
I’m currently jabbing e3d and bloods due in about a week or so.
I’m not going to switch anything up at this stage- but I think its obvious with the lower quality erections I’m getting a bit too high on E2.
Be interesting to see what the labs say!
Gonna go back to the tamoxifen for now to try and curb any growth.
Yes.
Just looking at the numbers on my white blood cell count…
Should I get checked for HIV? They’re right at bottom of the range!
Also- I’m getting definite signs of Gyno increase, these were taken on injection day on an e3d protocol. Can e2 temporarily spike and have dropped by bloods day if you are doing trough measurements?
I’m going to get a full panel with prolactin and free t calculated etc in 2 months.
I feel really pretty good at the min. Not like super physiological good- but I can exercise and not be flattened.
Brain fog has gone
Depression has gone - although I’m struggling with lockdown!
Sexual function is better than before trt, nothing like in the trt honeymoon though.
Does an e2 test include phytoestrogens in your system? I’m wondering if something environmental is causing my gyno- it was one of the things that lef me to get checked initially.
The way e2 follows T on e3d schedule I’d guess e2 is just peaking when you get labs done
Right I definitely feel best on the day of the jab on e3d- jab due today and I feel great. Happy, not super human- just how I did when I was younger and before I started to get symptoms. Brain is clear- libido is good but not all consuming.
So question is-
Is this because its a trough or is it actually peaking from the jab 3 days ago???
Be really good to be able to do a set of 3 blood tests 3 days in a row and have look at it!
Those last bloods were taken in the morning of injection being due and as my physician says- they look good.
@anon18050987 @highpull do either of you guys know much about the aromatisation phase lag and T release time elimination? elimination time for estrogen? and the release of a multi ester like sustanon to have a guess at what will be happening the 2 days before the jab?
I cant afford to do 3 days of back to back bloods to look 
I know there can be significant individual variation.
I would focus on the above and less on trying to figure out daily levels and numbers. Some days, you need more or less sleep than others, more or less food, water, sex, social interaction. It’s OK.
