Except that’s not how it really works. Unless you stick to very low dosages, AAS tend to fill out your frame significantly.
Say your genetic potential is 205lbs lean (random number). 205lbs on gear will still have you looking more filled out relative to 205lbs on ACTUAL trt.
For sure.
Like I said CURRENT and very recent CHAMPION. …This is a whole new level of a cluster fuck for the IFBB/pro bodybuilding world -its like say, Aaron Rodgers dying in a crash next week from drunk driving.
I feel that using just test I look worse at the same weight on blast. Maybe if I was using dry orals with trt. On test I just get blurry abs and a fat face lol.
How about a little reality check. The average life expectancy of white men born in 1940 was 62 years of age, in 1950 it was 67 years of age. So dying in their 60’s and 70’s is about par for the course.
Bodybuilders in the '60’s and '70’s did not do cardio. Who decided that bodybuilders were “health focused exercise fanatics”??? No one familiar with this esoteric corner of society would call them anything more than “exercise fanatics”, and never health focused.
What was the average life expectancy at the time these bodybuilders died? Franco columbu actually surpassed the average male life expectancy (god knows how). Casey viator died at 62 (widowmaker)
John Zeigler (creator of Dianabol) died at 63 (heart attack) and attributed his heart disease as having to do with his use of anabolic steroids. If he used a lot of dbol, that’s understandable. That shit is powerful, and as such it will also take a giant crap all over your lipids, LFT’s and kidney function. Also horrible for blood pressure
Its not as bad as stanozolol or trenbolone, but it’s a harsh one.
How Arnold is still alive stumps me. From his bodybuilder diet of steak, high GI carbs and eggs to his love of cigars to his cardiac defect. He started juicing at around 15. He must have fantastic genes.
That’s five cycles, unless you’re talking cumulative use
I’d tend to agree with you if you’re talking one cycle/year for five years… Then you stop forever. Not five years of cumulative exposure
Arnold is a cybernetic organism, living tissue over metal endoskeleton.
There are many new drugs, many new cycle theories, and the amounts people using. Also we have to take genetics into consideration. In the old days, only the guys with elite genetics were even bodybuilding, and when those people take a bit of drugs they gain a lot.
Nowdays, most people in the gym are on drugs. Most people on the biggest cycles, dont even look like they lift. Using steroids is just too common nowdays.
Also, the amount and the variety of shit needed to compete is ridiculous. In the old days they did like dbol, deca, maybe test and thats it. These guys who drop dead are on 10 different compounds + slin + igf + GH in super idiotic dosages.
I would say that the causes of death are not drugs tho, like @unreal24278 said, but its the MASS and what is needed to maintain it. Technically - the more drugs, the more mass, but i believe if we would inspect death rates of morbidly obese people at those weight ranges and more, it would look just as bad.
Exactly like you said - old guys dont die for some reason. In my country all the good bodybuilders we even have are 50+ and competing for 30+ years. All alive, all still doing their stuff. Why? Well… i believe its because most of them are under 6’0 and under 220lbs. When you take a dwarf and you build him up to 300lbs shit is going to happen.
Drugs are being done in cycling, fighting, american football, powerlifting. Not THAT much deaths in these.
The most damage is done by drugs that are needed to get show-ready, and those who are needed to get you to 300lbs.
Also, we have to understand that typical bodybuilder lives a shit lifestyle. They call slowly dragging their ass on a stair-machine “cardio”.
Not being physically fit is a good way how heart problems creep up. I had the same problem Kali Muscle had now, when i was 20. I had 90% blockage, but not cholesterol, but weird fibrotic tissue. I wasnt able to walk up the stairs without pain in my chest so i went for a checkup.
I have no idea how was that guy having sex and not noticing chest pain. The idea is that you DONT GET 90% blockage in 1 day… There is a point when you start feeling how it gets in the way of your cardio UNLESS you dont move at all.
When you start to feel it doing your sets of 10, its too late.
Thats why since i had that problem at the age of 20, everytime im about to pass out doing my HIT cardio or sparring a few rounds, i kind of feel happy, because if its me, not my heart that hurts, it means im ok.
As a person who actually died from this problem and was brought back to life i am yet to understand how these people NOT NOTICE when this shit creeps up. How little of a movement these people do in their daily lives, is beyond me.
That’s not how average life expectancy works. You’d need to compare someone in the same demographics which would be quite a bit higher life expectancy for a young adult. Infant mortality has dropped quite a bit from the 40s.
I think it’s because it creeps up.
As mine progressed I just slowly stopped wanting to do a lot of things.
I could still lift a good bit. My deadlift was in the mid 3’s and I was tossing logs around cutting trees at my buddies place 2 days prior to a heart attack involving 100% blockage of the circumflex and 98-99% of the lower right coronary branches.
So, it’s like you notice, but your mind fights reality by telling you other stuff like you’re just getting old, or don’t really want/need to do things.
While I’ve never done steroids, it took my dad almost dying for me to change. I was a 240 pound “powerlifter” drinking at least a six pack a night at one point. It’s pretty easy to ignore if you don’t make the conscious effort to actually do things like check your bloodwork.
It’s terrible that it came about like that, but great that you could see it as a warning and decide to do things differently.
Some good results too. You were looking very solid and capable in the last few vids you had posted.
People saw lean, muscular, and tanned people and assumed they were the pinnacle of good health. Nobody expects the guy with six pack abs to have high cholesterol, blood pressure, and heart issues.
Vic Richards dead at 56.
This shit is just getting ridiculous.
Vic Richards too! WTF!
Interesting take by Ron Harris. I hadn’t considered that the covid vaccines might be a contributing factor to these recent deaths. I imagine clotting and or myocarditis would definitely increase the risks.
He mentions a lot of pro soccer players have been dropping too.
This is why I decided to lean down when I turned 40. Being 260lbs is great when you’re competing in powerlifting, but sucks for your health.
He’s not dead
Except TTS fatality rate is like 5%, and the risk of TTS is 1/33,000
Myocarditis risk is also very low, and around 90% of those cases are very mild.
No … Bodybuilders are dying from drug use, concomitant AAS use also increases the severity of covid if you happen to get sick (preliminary data). I believe it’s probably in part due to the immunoediting effects of AAS + increased sensitivity to catecholamine + RAAS alterations and subclinical deterioration in cardiac function associated with acute use.
You can diss the vaccines if you want. However statistically the chances of covid vaccines… Out of DNP, clen, insulin, GH, AAS, amphetamines, beta 2 agonists, force feeding and more playing a significant role are next to none. Look at all of those variables, how people make it to 45 after decades of THAT actually astounds me.
Contributing is such a “get out of jail” word. As you are right. It could be contributing. But its like my Great Nan’s contribution to war effort back in 1940. She made sandwiches for the guys making the uniforms, for the guys making the bombs for the guys that did the fighting.
I would guess actually getting Covid would be a bigger contributing factor than the Covid vaccine. It can be both too, but I suspect actually catching the virus would have more impact. It is far more common for those that have had the virus to get lung and cardiac issues, than those who have received the vaccine.
100% argue. It’s inaction bias. 3% chance of dying if I do nothing, or .001% if I take a vaccine. I’ll skip it please.
I didn’t want to mention it as I know next to nothing about the case but Aaron Page a strong man. He caught COVID and died. He was an otherwise health guy in his early 30 by all accounts.
I don’t know he used PEDS.
I do not know if they played a part of he did.
But logically he did and they did not help.
That said - this is not me coming out with the “he knew the risks” bull shit. All loss of life is tragic.