[quote]ZEB wrote:
One more point for those to consider that want to restrict hand guns. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Yet, they continue to have over the top rates of violent crime with the use of hand guns. It must be that the criminals don’t know that it’s illegal to carry a gun.[/quote]
Most of them originate from other parts of the state, or Indiana, if you track the sources.
Also it sounds like your trying to draw a correlation between gun laws causing more crime when it actuality they have more laws because of the crime. Do you think Chicago would have less gang crime if anyone at any time could go to a gun store and buy a gun without a background check?
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
I have a feeling that the 2nd Amendment didn’t intend to cover “everything”, I would guess that with their minimal grasp of technology and lack of any real concept of future weapons development the founding fathers surely wouldn’t have imagined nukes, rail guns, attack helicopters etc. So I think the 2nd amendment needs to be dialed back a bit.
I still think we should be able to own some guns for instance shotguns, SOME hunting rifles, maybe a handgun (though I view them with contempt) and that sort of reasonable shit but a Barret .50 cal, an M60, tanks, lasers, grenades, claymore mines, nuclear subs etc is just a way to compensate for a little dick and should be replaced with a sports car.[/quote]
Some hunting rifles?
Why do you view handguns with contempt?
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Bismark,
I have a few friends from the Army that will hunt with automatic weapons because “it’s fun and easy”. People have a tendency to classify weapons in a way that suits them, if you are a hunter you probably don’t need an automatic weapon popping off 10 rounds per second and if you do you probably shouldn’t be hunting.
Handguns don’t serve much of a purpose other than killing people so I don’t see a huge reason for them to be so prevalent in todays society. I get that there are a shit ton of them out there already but that shouldn’t be a roadblock to putting much more severe restrictions on their production and sale.
On a personal note I also hate handguns because when I was in the Army I couldn’t shoot one worth a damn so there’s that.[/quote]
I find that hard to believe.
Man has an inherent right to self defense, and handguns serve that purpose in a civil and free society such as our own.
MOS?
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11b
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one hunts with a fully automatic rifles, that’s absurd.
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You mean REAL hunters don’t hunt with automatic rifles, plenty of idiots hunt with automatic weapons, especially in Texas. Your level of disbelief makes it sound as if you’ve never seen people do dumb shit before i.e. No one drives drunk that’s absurd, no one smokes crack while pregnant that’s absurd, no one runs with the bulls…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
Handguns don’t serve much of a purpose other than killing people so I don’t see a huge reason for them to be so prevalent in todays society.[/quote]
LOL…again with the stupid talk. You don’t think they serve much of a purpose except for killing people? (eye roll). That is the idea. If a bad guy tries to kill me I will indeed use it on them. To kill them…get it? It is for personal defense…for killing. Stop blaming the tool and blame the user of that tool.
So you are against the second amendment. Are there any other parts of the constitution that you’d like to randomly remove?
Ah…I see well that’s a good reason to attack the second amendment. You suck at shooting handguns. Here’s an idea and I mean this sincerely. Practice and you’ll get better at it. And if you don’t care to practice keep in mind that there are many of us here in America that enjoy pistol shooting and are quite proficient at it. I’ve had my hand gun license for over half my life. I’ve never harmed anyone with them and find that going to the range is fun and I’ve carried it concealed many, many times in areas where I felt it was necessary.
You don’t like handguns so you’re ready to take that right away from the rest of us who are responsible gun owners?
You are no better than Obama or Hillary…okay that was probably incorrect. Let’s say on this topic you are no better than most left wing nuts who want to restrict hand gun use in America.
One more point, do you really think the bad guys will obey the law? They will go out on a Saturday night and for a few buck purchase their own ILLEGAL hand gun. And they are buying the gun to use against those of us who, if it were up to you, would be defenseless. Also, with the terrorist threat becoming more prevalent you should think twice before disarming honest gun owning citizens.
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Zeb,
At no point did I suggest getting rid of guns or the 2nd amendment, in fact I pretty clearly stated that people should be able to have them and that there are so many already in circulation that getting rid of them is probably impossible.
My thought on gun laws is to make the punishment for possession of an illegally owned gun so horrible that people will just go back to stabbing each other rather than risk it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
…I have a few friends from the Army that will hunt with automatic weapons…[/quote]
No, you don’t.[/quote]
Push,
Sure I do, unlike you people actually like me, and unlike you I was in the Army, probably while you were molesting sheep and writing your cowboy poetry. Aren’t you the nitwit on this site that offered a spare horse to some other like minded folks when that Cliven Bundy idiot was having a staredown with the federal government? Christ you’re a fucking blowhard.
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one hunts with a fully automatic rifles, that’s absurd.
[/quote]
You mean REAL hunters don’t hunt with automatic rifles, plenty of idiots hunt with automatic weapons, especially in Texas. Your level of disbelief makes it sound as if you’ve never seen people do dumb shit before i.e. No one drives drunk that’s absurd, no one smokes crack while pregnant that’s absurd, no one runs with the bulls…[/quote]
Bullshit. I lived and hunted in the Hill Country for over a decade. I’ve never heard of such a thing. Automatic weapons are illegal to hunt with in Texas.
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
I have a feeling that the 2nd Amendment didn’t intend to cover “everything”, I would guess that with their minimal grasp of technology and lack of any real concept of future weapons development the founding fathers surely wouldn’t have imagined nukes, rail guns, attack helicopters etc. So I think the 2nd amendment needs to be dialed back a bit.
I still think we should be able to own some guns for instance shotguns, SOME hunting rifles, maybe a handgun (though I view them with contempt) and that sort of reasonable shit but a Barret .50 cal, an M60, tanks, lasers, grenades, claymore mines, nuclear subs etc is just a way to compensate for a little dick and should be replaced with a sports car.[/quote]
Some hunting rifles?
Why do you view handguns with contempt?
[/quote]
Bismark,
I have a few friends from the Army that will hunt with automatic weapons because “it’s fun and easy”. People have a tendency to classify weapons in a way that suits them, if you are a hunter you probably don’t need an automatic weapon popping off 10 rounds per second and if you do you probably shouldn’t be hunting.
Handguns don’t serve much of a purpose other than killing people so I don’t see a huge reason for them to be so prevalent in todays society. I get that there are a shit ton of them out there already but that shouldn’t be a roadblock to putting much more severe restrictions on their production and sale.
On a personal note I also hate handguns because when I was in the Army I couldn’t shoot one worth a damn so there’s that.[/quote]
I find that hard to believe.
Man has an inherent right to self defense, and handguns serve that purpose in a civil and free society such as our own.
MOS?
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11b[/quote]
You’d be the first person I’ve ever encountered that ostensibly served in the combat arms who has advocated for gun control measures reminiscent of those who haven’t spent much if anytime with firearms.
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
I have a feeling that the 2nd Amendment didn’t intend to cover “everything”, I would guess that with their minimal grasp of technology and lack of any real concept of future weapons development the founding fathers surely wouldn’t have imagined nukes, rail guns, attack helicopters etc. So I think the 2nd amendment needs to be dialed back a bit.
I still think we should be able to own some guns for instance shotguns, SOME hunting rifles, maybe a handgun (though I view them with contempt) and that sort of reasonable shit but a Barret .50 cal, an M60, tanks, lasers, grenades, claymore mines, nuclear subs etc is just a way to compensate for a little dick and should be replaced with a sports car.[/quote]
Have you ever known, heard of, or even imagined a person who wanted a nuke, rail gun, attack helicopter, Barret .50 cal, M60, tank, laser, grenade, claymore, or nuclear sub ?
You are playing on such a nonexistent extreme that it derails your argument.
There will always be some crackpot, but with over 300 million guns in circulation, and death by firearm not being in the top 10 causes of death, I think the gun death hysteria is overplayed. It’s sad, but we have to remain in reality.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one hunts with a fully automatic rifles, that’s absurd.
[/quote]
You mean REAL hunters don’t hunt with automatic rifles, plenty of idiots hunt with automatic weapons, especially in Texas. Your level of disbelief makes it sound as if you’ve never seen people do dumb shit before i.e. No one drives drunk that’s absurd, no one smokes crack while pregnant that’s absurd, no one runs with the bulls…[/quote]
Bullshit. I lived and hunted in the Hill Country for over a decade. I’ve never heard of such a thing. Automatic weapons are illegal to hunt with in Texas. [/quote]
Bismark,
You and USMC seem to think that people don’t break the law. I can only attest to what I have seen, the two gentleman that I was visiting live outside of Kinney County Texas and I spent a miserable weekend riding ATVs and watching them shoot at everything they saw with what looked to be a couple of Vietnam era m16a1’s. At no point did I say it is legal (in fact I think it is illegal everywhere in the US), but as this thread clearly attests guns and legal are not always the same thing. They did mention that what they did was pretty common because “Texas has a lot of things to shoot” and not a lot of people to complain (at least where they were in 2008).
As far as my gun control views, yes I am anti-gun, no I don’t think we should take them away from everyone, but yes I do think handguns, and automatic weapons should be harder to get. My real concern is the proliferation of automatic weapons and of course keeping nukes out of USMCCDS’s hands.
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one hunts with a fully automatic rifles, that’s absurd.
[/quote]
You mean REAL hunters don’t hunt with automatic rifles, plenty of idiots hunt with automatic weapons, especially in Texas. Your level of disbelief makes it sound as if you’ve never seen people do dumb shit before i.e. No one drives drunk that’s absurd, no one smokes crack while pregnant that’s absurd, no one runs with the bulls…[/quote]
Bullshit. I lived and hunted in the Hill Country for over a decade. I’ve never heard of such a thing. Automatic weapons are illegal to hunt with in Texas. [/quote]
Bismark,
You and USMC seem to think that people don’t break the law. I can only attest to what I have seen, the two gentleman that I was visiting live outside of Kinney County Texas and I spent a miserable weekend riding ATVs and watching them shoot at everything they saw with what looked to be a couple of Vietnam era m16a1’s. At no point did I say it is legal (in fact I think it is illegal everywhere in the US), but as this thread clearly attests guns and legal are not always the same thing. They did mention that what they did was pretty common because “Texas has a lot of things to shoot” and not a lot of people to complain (at least where they were in 2008).
As far as my gun control views, yes I am anti-gun, no I don’t think we should take them away from everyone, but yes I do think handguns, and automatic weapons should be harder to get. My real concern is the proliferation of automatic weapons and of course keeping nukes out of USMCCDS’s hands.[/quote]
What you just described isn’t hunting… I don’t want a nuke, try reading the thread.