I ride in a way that keeps me from finding myself under someone else’s wheels. I doubt anyone here is literally riding 150mph everywhere they go.
If you are riding intelligently and are observing people around you then you dont need to speed to not get run over… If you take a good riding course they teach you everything to watch out for.
Maybe things are different where you live but where I live speeding to get in front of the pack doesnt work since you will always just catch up with more cars…
Like I said… I dont disagree that speeding on a bike isnt as unsafe as speeding in a car but dont make up excuses and justify it. Laws are laws and if you want to break them then be prepared to pay the price.
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WTF? Dude, I am not new to riding and am on my bike on a regular basis. How are you going to tell me what does and doesn’t work on my bike? I’ve been riding for years now and have never even gotten a speeding ticket on my bike. Are you really that naive to think someone could drive poorly for 6 years without any clue what they are doing and have that happen and with (knock on wood) no crashes? I drive faster than the traffic along side of me. Why, you ask? Because that keeps my big black ass alive and allows me to see the cops long before they see me.
I ride in a way that keeps me from finding myself under someone else’s wheels. I doubt anyone here is literally riding 150mph everywhere they go.
If you are riding intelligently and are observing people around you then you dont need to speed to not get run over… If you take a good riding course they teach you everything to watch out for.
Maybe things are different where you live but where I live speeding to get in front of the pack doesnt work since you will always just catch up with more cars…
Like I said… I dont disagree that speeding on a bike isnt as unsafe as speeding in a car but dont make up excuses and justify it. Laws are laws and if you want to break them then be prepared to pay the price.
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There’s a thing called “blind spots”. Some idiotic drivers don’t check these and cause accidents with other vehicles all the time. Now being on a bike makes you more susceptible to being unnoticed in these blind spots. All it takes is a lazy or younger inexperienced driver to side swipe you without a clue.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
lildave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I ride in a way that keeps me from finding myself under someone else’s wheels. I doubt anyone here is literally riding 150mph everywhere they go.
If you are riding intelligently and are observing people around you then you dont need to speed to not get run over… If you take a good riding course they teach you everything to watch out for.
Maybe things are different where you live but where I live speeding to get in front of the pack doesnt work since you will always just catch up with more cars…
Like I said… I dont disagree that speeding on a bike isnt as unsafe as speeding in a car but dont make up excuses and justify it. Laws are laws and if you want to break them then be prepared to pay the price.
There’s a thing called “blind spots”. Some idiotic drivers don’t check these and cause accidents with other vehicles all the time. Now being on a bike makes you more susceptible to being unnoticed in these blind spots. All it takes is a lazy or younger inexperienced driver to side swipe you without a clue.
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Someone with real experience would already know that though. Driving right in the middle of heavy traffic without staying ahead of those blind spots is a great way to die on a bike.
They arent telling you to speed or go in and out of traffic… They are telling you that in an emergency situation you should use the power of the bike and the agility to get out of the situation.
He is totally trying to justify speeding by saying it keeps him alive. Now he is trying to talk about how long he has been riding without having any idea if I ride or not. He is just assuming I have no experience.
Maybe in small towns you can avoid that… In a real city with real traffic you cant avoid it. Speeding wont solve anything since as soon as you get out of one blind spot you are into another. In fact driving WITH the flow of traffic is actually safer since the people that arent lazy will know where traffic is around them. By going faster then the rest of the traffic you are making it that not only do the lazy/inexperienced drivers dont know where you are in relation to them… now the ppl that do know how to drive dont know where you are.
Obviously, in the below I am not referring to Harley riders who have decent power, as some of them do, and aren’t impediments to traffic. I’m referring to those that are the opposite in both respects:
[quote]lildave wrote:
In fact driving WITH the flow of traffic is actually safer since the people that arent lazy will know where traffic is around them. By going faster then the rest of the traffic you are making it that not only do the lazy/inexperienced drivers dont know where you are in relation to them… now the ppl that do know how to drive dont know where you are.[/quote]
You must ride a Hardley-Ableson or other bike that CANNOT move ahead of clumps of traffic when the traffic is moving fast.
Or because your seating position is so unconducive to riding that you can’t take the wind blast past 55 or 65 mph.
Because NO ONE that rides and has a bike that has the acceleration and capability would actually think that the way you say is safer. It has to be from a person whose bike really can do nothing but stick right in the middle of the traffic, that being at best.
How many hours of my time have been wasted in the Ford Aerostar with a Hardley rider who couldn’t even hold the speed in limit in front of me on a 2 lane highway with no good places to pass.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Obviously, in the below I am not referring to Harley riders who have decent power, as some of them do, and aren’t impediments to traffic. I’m referring to those that are the opposite in both respects:
lildave wrote:
In fact driving WITH the flow of traffic is actually safer since the people that arent lazy will know where traffic is around them. By going faster then the rest of the traffic you are making it that not only do the lazy/inexperienced drivers dont know where you are in relation to them… now the ppl that do know how to drive dont know where you are.
You must ride a Hardley-Ableson or other bike that CANNOT move ahead of clumps of traffic when the traffic is moving fast.
Or because your seating position is so unconducive to riding that you can’t take the wind blast past 55 or 65 mph.
Because NO ONE that rides and has a bike that has the acceleration and capability would actually think that the way you say is safer. It has to be from a person whose bike really can do nothing but stick right in the middle of the traffic, that being at best.
How many hours of my time have been wasted in the Ford Aerostar with a Hardley rider who couldn’t even hold the speed in limit in front of me on a 2 lane highway with no good places to pass.
The pain, the pain, the horrible pain.[/quote]
Damn. I was just going to type, “LOLZ” and leave it at that.
It’s like being reprimanded by one of those fat kids who always wanted to be hall monitor.
When they were teaching me how to drive a car they taught me to look at your rear view mirror every 7-10 seconds to see what was happening around you. IF everyone is going around the same speed you will always know where abouts vehicles are around you. The safest way to drive is to stay with the flow of traffic since most ppl know where abouts other vehicles are around them then. It doesnt matter what you are driving that is the safest way of driving…
Do I drive like that? Hell no… BUT the difference between me, PX and you is that I know what I’m doing is unsafe and illegal. If I get in an accident well thats my fault then since I wasnt being safe. If I get a ticket I pay it since I was breaking the law.
If you guys still dont get my point then maybe I’ll have to resort to drawing pictures.
I’ll back up what Professor X is saying with my 10 years of riding without a speeding ticket.
Speeding is a byproduct of having better forward visibility and recognition skills than of the rear. I also try to stay ahead of the pack. I don’t always have to speed to do it, but if I have to, I do. Once I’m at the front, I’ll simply maintain the speed I need to stay there, only occasionally speeding up to let by someone that has a wild hair up their ass.
Whoever said going faster than 80 is unneccessary must have very little riding or driving experience. While 80 is usually faster than traffic, there are places in San Diego County where traffic AVERAGES 90 mph. I believe we have one prominent author on this website that can back me up on this. Going 80 when traffic is going 90 means desperately trying to watch out for traffic zooming up behind your ass…and since car drivers don’t seem to be able to see motorcycles, you damn well better find religion because you’re going to be a dead mother fucker before long.
Now I’ll happily admit that when traffic is virtually nonexistent, and I have time, I’ll ride slow–sometimes 20 mph below. It’s nice just to cruise. But when there’s traffic, it’s much nicer to live, and I’ll go whatever speed I feel safest at.
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It’s like being reprimanded by one of those fat kids who always wanted to be hall monitor.[/quote]
I’m not reprimanding you… I’m just saying that you are delusional if you honestly believe what you are saying. I dont really care if you die. I’m sure someone else will take over telling people to eat on here.
[quote]leaftye wrote:
I’ll back up what Professor X is saying with my 10 years of riding without a speeding ticket.
Speeding is a byproduct of having better forward visibility and recognition skills than of the rear. I also try to stay ahead of the pack. I don’t always have to speed to do it, but if I have to, I do. Once I’m at the front, I’ll simply maintain the speed I need to stay there, only occasionally speeding up to let by someone that has a wild hair up their ass.
Whoever said going faster than 80 is unneccessary must have very little riding or driving experience. While 80 is usually faster than traffic, there are places in San Diego County where traffic AVERAGES 90 mph. I believe we have one prominent author on this website that can back me up on this. Going 80 when traffic is going 90 means desperately trying to watch out for traffic zooming up behind your ass…and since car drivers don’t seem to be able to see motorcycles, you damn well better find religion because you’re going to be a dead mother fucker before long.
Now I’ll happily admit that when traffic is virtually nonexistent, and I have time, I’ll ride slow–sometimes 20 mph below. It’s nice just to cruise. But when there’s traffic, it’s much nicer to live, and I’ll go whatever speed I feel safest at.[/quote]
If the traffic is is going 90 then go 90. Its called “going with the flow of traffic”… I didnt think I would actually have to explain that. Out here the cops dont pull people over for speeding when everyone is only going a little over.
It’s like being reprimanded by one of those fat kids who always wanted to be hall monitor.
I’m not reprimanding you… I’m just saying that you are delusional if you honestly believe what you are saying. I dont really care if you die. I’m sure someone else will take over telling people to eat on here.
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90 is not a little over. 90 is 20-25 over. I believe 25 over can be written up for wreckless driving. I believe 70 is the fastest speed limit in California. It goes up to 75 mph when you cross into Arizona.
And merely going with the flow of traffic, while a nice idea, realistically results in some douchebag cager riding 10 feet off your ass no matter what lane you’re in.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lildave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I ride in a way that keeps me from finding myself under someone else’s wheels. I doubt anyone here is literally riding 150mph everywhere they go.
If you are riding intelligently and are observing people around you then you dont need to speed to not get run over… If you take a good riding course they teach you everything to watch out for.
Maybe things are different where you live but where I live speeding to get in front of the pack doesnt work since you will always just catch up with more cars…
Like I said… I dont disagree that speeding on a bike isnt as unsafe as speeding in a car but dont make up excuses and justify it. Laws are laws and if you want to break them then be prepared to pay the price.
WTF? Dude, I am not new to riding and am on my bike on a regular basis. How are you going to tell me what does and doesn’t work on my bike? I’ve been riding for years now and have never even gotten a speeding ticket on my bike. Are you really that naive to think someone could drive poorly for 6 years without any clue what they are doing and have that happen and with (knock on wood) no crashes? I drive faster than the traffic along side of me. Why, you ask? Because that keeps my big black ass alive and allows me to see the cops long before they see me.
Maybe YOU need lessons.[/quote]
I remember back in the day you said you had the R6 and you have the cbr1000. I rode my cbr 1100xx and loved the bike. Keep it as long as you can. The Busa is overrated and kida shoddy. Honda does make the most well balanced motorcycles for daily use. You still ride naked? As in no leathers or mesh jackets?
To the nay sayers,
Going fast on a bike is fun. We can go 150 and much faster in seconds. We do it because it’s fun. There is no NEED to do it, but there is an Internal NEED to do it. It’s a personality type. Those that get it do and those that don’t just can’t grasp WHY anyone would want to do it. We do it because
It’s fun
It’s rebellious
It’s dangerous
And real men like danger. We like to face danger, Sometimes Invite it and ask it to come for a ride on our bikes.
We also have the sense to ride like that where noone would be in danger except us. Todays Bikes edge to 200MPH. How can you own one and not want to see what it and YOU are made of?
Going fast on a bike is fun. We can go 150 and much faster in seconds. We do it because it’s fun. There is no NEED to do it, but there is an Internal NEED to do it. It’s a personality type. Those that get it do and those that don’t just can’t grasp WHY anyone would want to do it. We do it because
It’s fun
It’s rebellious
It’s dangerous
And real men like danger. We like to face danger, Sometimes Invite it and ask it to come for a ride on our bikes.
We also have the sense to ride like that where noone would be in danger except us. Todays Bikes edge to 200MPH. How can you own one and not want to see what it and YOU are made of?
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Bingo…That’s it right there. I don’t like to go fast in a car at all. I feel way more at home going fast on a bike. Makes no sense I know but It’s how I’m wired. My neighbor lent me his cruiser last summer for the afternoon and I fucking hated it. I don’t knock anyone who prefers this style of bike at all but it’s just not my thing. Kinda like the one dude said about why would you want to go that fast…why would you want to go that slow?
Anyone who owns a land missle should take thier ride down the quater mile track on grudge night or just bracket race. It's very humbling. Those times you see in the magazines are pro's with no reaction times to worry about. It's harder than it looks but it is a blast.
And don’t forget Gregus #4. Some chicks get off on going fast on a bike. Reved up and horned up…good combination imo.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
lildave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I ride in a way that keeps me from finding myself under someone else’s wheels. I doubt anyone here is literally riding 150mph everywhere they go.
If you are riding intelligently and are observing people around you then you dont need to speed to not get run over… If you take a good riding course they teach you everything to watch out for.
Maybe things are different where you live but where I live speeding to get in front of the pack doesnt work since you will always just catch up with more cars…
Like I said… I dont disagree that speeding on a bike isnt as unsafe as speeding in a car but dont make up excuses and justify it. Laws are laws and if you want to break them then be prepared to pay the price.
WTF? Dude, I am not new to riding and am on my bike on a regular basis. How are you going to tell me what does and doesn’t work on my bike? I’ve been riding for years now and have never even gotten a speeding ticket on my bike. Are you really that naive to think someone could drive poorly for 6 years without any clue what they are doing and have that happen and with (knock on wood) no crashes? I drive faster than the traffic along side of me. Why, you ask? Because that keeps my big black ass alive and allows me to see the cops long before they see me.
Maybe YOU need lessons.
I remember back in the day you said you had the R6 and you have the cbr1000. I rode my cbr 1100xx and loved the bike. Keep it as long as you can. The Busa is overrated and kida shoddy. Honda does make the most well balanced motorcycles for daily use. You still ride naked? As in no leathers or mesh jackets?
To the nay sayers,
Going fast on a bike is fun. We can go 150 and much faster in seconds. We do it because it’s fun. There is no NEED to do it, but there is an Internal NEED to do it. It’s a personality type. Those that get it do and those that don’t just can’t grasp WHY anyone would want to do it. We do it because
It’s fun
It’s rebellious
It’s dangerous
And real men like danger. We like to face danger, Sometimes Invite it and ask it to come for a ride on our bikes.
We also have the sense to ride like that where noone would be in danger except us. Todays Bikes edge to 200MPH. How can you own one and not want to see what it and YOU are made of?
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It’s the difference between someone who actually rides and someone who simply owns a bike. If you ride one a lot it becomes an extension of you. That’s why I refer to mine as my horse. You treat it right and iot will take you anywhere you want to go…at about 1/4 the cost of filling an SUV or less.
It’s like being reprimanded by one of those fat kids who always wanted to be hall monitor.
I’m not reprimanding you… I’m just saying that you are delusional if you honestly believe what you are saying. I dont really care if you die. I’m sure someone else will take over telling people to eat on here.
lol damn…you have some cajones…[/quote]
No, he’s just clueless. I seriously doubt this guy owns a bike and if he does, it damn sure isn’t a sportbike.
It’s the difference between someone who actually rides and someone who simply owns a bike. If you ride one a lot it becomes an extension of you. That’s why I refer to mine as my horse. You treat it right and iot will take you anywhere you want to go…at about 1/4 the cost of filling an SUV or less.[/quote]
Yep I called my bike a horse too, lol. I literally felt like that. An extension of yourself and a trust in the machine to not let you down. It’s addicting.
I called my bike a horse too, lol. I literally felt like that. An extension of yourself and a trust in the machine to not let you down. It’s addicting.