I just got a new job. Now I make more than enough to rent an Apt., but not enough to buy a house. I live in California. What what do I do with that extra money? Save it. Pissed off I can’t afford to buy a damn house.
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Fighting : Iam thankful that those chinese sweatshops that employ people @ 1.00/Hr exist ,at least they have jobs. Without the advent of cheap manufacturing less jobs would be available. I think that we just need to get it outof our heads that the " detroit model " of a $40/ hour assembly plant job is what manufacturers will provide to people that cannot do anything else.[/quote]
Yea, thank God for un-unionized sweatshops…
You missed the point. When they unionize, what is America left with? A colonial empire that we cannot maintain.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Fighting : Iam thankful that those chinese sweatshops that employ people @ 1.00/Hr exist ,at least they have jobs. Without the advent of cheap manufacturing less jobs would be available. I think that we just need to get it outof our heads that the " detroit model " of a $40/ hour assembly plant job is what manufacturers will provide to people that cannot do anything else.
Yea, thank God for un-unionized sweatshops…
You missed the point. When they unionize, what is America left with? A colonial empire that we cannot maintain.[/quote]
Mechanization. As the years go by more and more manufacturing jobs across the globe will be replaced by mechanization.
It’s naive to believe that in the future the world will face a workers’ revolution.
Service jobs anyone?
[quote]optprime wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Fighting : Iam thankful that those chinese sweatshops that employ people @ 1.00/Hr exist ,at least they have jobs. Without the advent of cheap manufacturing less jobs would be available. I think that we just need to get it outof our heads that the " detroit model " of a $40/ hour assembly plant job is what manufacturers will provide to people that cannot do anything else.
Yea, thank God for un-unionized sweatshops…
You missed the point. When they unionize, what is America left with? A colonial empire that we cannot maintain.
Mechanization. As the years go by more and more manufacturing jobs across the globe will be replaced by mechanization.
It’s naive to believe that in the future the world will face a workers’ revolution.
Service jobs anyone?[/quote]
Interesting point. All the more reason why there will be a revolution
[quote]
Interesting point. All the more reason why there will be a revolution[/quote]
'Cept service jobs aren’t that bad…speaking as someone who has worked an handfull of them…
Ok, there is a lot of shit I need to dig through, so bear with me here.
First off the book The Millionaire Next Door does not talk about being miserly, just frugal. These people do not buy Rolexes, but they still own a watch. They still buy houses, but they generally do not live in mansions.
The super rich may live it up and have plenty of money left over, but truly they are few and far between. I know it was mentioned that there are poor, middle class, and the super rich, as though there is a sudden jump from middle class to billionaires, and that is just ridiculous.
While the book is about 9 years old, it did list that the median net worth of these millionaires is $1.6 million. Not the billions people seem to think all these rich people have.
I am really talking here about decent wealth, not some tiny minority of mega rich that does not truly represent anyone because there truly are so few of them. We must not have this crazy leap that completely jumps over a large group of people. Anyone who thinks he is not successful unless he is not a multi-billionaire is going to have a sad life indeed.
Now hard work is important, but intelligence and self-control are also important. Nobody is saying the poor are lazy. Though it does need to be said that the lazy will generally gravitate to the poor levels. Character flaws such as these will hold a person down, definitely. But nobody is saying the poor are not hard workers.
What I am really saying is it is exceedingly hard to become rich if you are not a hard worker, regardless of what the late night infomercials say.
Which brings me to the ethics question. First one person says the rich have no ethics, that they have to give up ethics and honesty to get ahead, and are given the presumption of innocence just because they are rich. Then goes on to say no negative statement should be made against the poor because we should have innocence until proven guilty.
WHAT!!!
This is total hypocrisy. The poor are always innocent, but the rich are always guilty. Do you think they are all Jews too? (If you don’t get what I am saying read it again. If you get pissed off it means you didn’t understand, and are still ignorant of your obvious prejudices.)
No we do not need to be attacking the poor, but we also do not need to be attacking the rich. Instead of getting upset because Bob has more then you says more about your ethics then his.
Are there dishonest millionaires? Oh hell yeah, but they have it harder then the average millionaire. Word of mouth hurts them, coworkers do not trust them, and it shows a character flaw that if they cannot overcome will actually hurt them financially.
Sure you see rich people on the news getting into trouble, not because the rich are evil, but because a millionaire or multi-millionaire committing a crime is bigger news then a poor person doing the same.
A few years back a guy committed suicide because he was running a check kiting scheme. This guy was living the high life, living in a million dollar house that he was adding on to, going on great vacations, and driving a great car.
This guy was not rich. He was living on borrowed money. Money he could have easily paid back with his income, but instead he lived way beyond his means, and financed it illegally until it caught up with him. Since he couldn’t get away with it anymore, he killed himself.
This is big news, but it is big news because it is not a common theme. It also shows that it is so hard to get away with this stuff forever.
A lack of ethics will not help you in business, it is actually a hindrance.
There actually is research into ethics and business:
“Fortunately, a group of Baylor University researchers led by renowned management professor emeritus Justin Longenecker has found that the majority of small business owners strive to achieve the highest standards of truthfulness, fairness and trustworthiness in their business relationships. Longenecker and his colleagues have been studying entrepreneurs and their ethical drivers and business standards for over twenty years.”
http://www.baylor.edu/bbr/index.php?id=27171
This is 20 year research that flies in the face of the ethics complaints, though it talks about entrepreneurs, not specifically the rich.
Interestingly I have seen reference between having more college business education, and a lowered standard of ethics.
There is also a recent book out, “Moral Intelligence” where they say business success is definitely related to ethics. (Based on 10 years of research.)
Here is a link to one interview with the authors below:
Anyway I find success is linked to good ethics, and the ones who do not think so need to look inside of themselves. That mistaken thought can cost you a lot.
There is this mistaken belief that if one person is successful then it keeps others from becoming successful, as if there is a limited amount of success or money out there, and whatever you have must come from somebody else. This is the mistake, assuming limited quantities of success.
Yet I agree with Vroom here. (Did I just say that? Oh crap.) By making more people successful, it will come back to everyone, and push everyone up together. Few people know that if Burger King decides to build next to an existing McDonalds, it actually doesn’t hurt McDonalds, and in fact McDonalds will get an increased business because of it. As illogical as it sounds, it is true. Also it is known that Burger King saves research money on locations by “piggybacking” McDonalds location research.
Another argument I am reading here is that success is not equal, and that being born in the wrong place, the wrong race, or the wrong sex keeps people from succeeding.
BULLSHIT!
Ok, I have to admit there is a statistical link somewhat, but it actually bodes badly for both blacks and whites. The biggest indicator of success is how long you have been in this country, with first and second generation immigrants being the most successful. (Leal only.) Apparently the longer a group of people have lived in this country the less likely they are to be successful. There is something about our culture that breeds this defeatist attitude that too many have. (I think it is called liberalism.)
Really it is not what is outside a person that determines their success, but what is inside that person. Everything else is just an excuse.
Actually that is all I am really hearing here are excuses. Makes people feel better if they are not as successful as they wish. Instead of looking inside themselves, they want to blame others, or say other people must not be ethical, but I am, so that must be why I can’t afford the private jet.
The argument about knowing people who work hard and not making it, (whatever that means) and of people who do not work hard, but do make it may not be very accurate. What is this hard work? I have known people who made it look like they worked hard, but never did anything. And I have known people who seemed to do nothing, and yet got twice as much work done as anyone else.
Some people think working harder means moving the wheelbarrow an extra 10 feet from where you are digging. You will work harder, but it will be worthless, and counterproductive.
Years ago (I think I was 19 at the time) I worked for a company for a whole year. (I got fired 1 week before my year was up.) In this place I was given a job that had a quota, and about 7 specific jobs to do, but was set free to do them in whatever order I wanted.
I started under quota, but kept on thinking about how to improve on my speed. Nobody noticed. My quota kept inching up, and nobody noticed. I got little sleep at this time, and ended up taking short naps in the bathroom, and that they noticed.
I ended the year beating my quota somewhere around 35 - 40%. Yet I was fired, mostly for missing one day too many due to being sick. The supervisor had this big grin on his face while firing me, probably because he knew about those naps I would sneak. But he was too ignorant to look at my actual work. Nobody seemed to remember that before me people barely made quota. After I left I found out they had to replace me with 2 people because one couldn’t keep up.
I think they finally noticed.
Nothing of what I did above was about increasing my workload, it was about making little adjustments that cut seconds off of my time here and there and resulted in an ever increasing total. It was more about creating efficiency then anything.
Sure my hard and smart work were not rewarded, although I have to admit sneaking those little naps wasn’t the brightest idea, but they really shot themselves in the foot by firing me without looking at the whole picture. Interestingly they could not have fired me a week later because I would have had 5 days paid sick time that would not have counted against me.
Now it was pointed out that if everyone started living frugally then the economy would be destroyed. I don’t think that is about to happen any time soon. Also anyone familiar with Dave Ramsey knows he has convinced tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands (possibly over a million) people to live more frugally, at least temporarily. Notice anything happening to the economy? Nothing negative even with people being more frugal.
Although the whole idea is to be more frugal today, and later you will have enough money that you will no longer need to be frugal.
It was also mentioned that some people couldn’t succeed because they are not intelligent enough, or charismatic enough, and if you are not born with these qualities, then you will not succeed. (Isn’t this the same argument for eugenics?) I believe these qualities are learned, not genetic.
Also it should be pointed out that entrepreneurs tend to have normal IQ’s. The people with the high IQ’s end up working for them. You can always hire a person with a high IQ, so you don’t need one.
This is an interesting little twist of fate. Generally the high IQ person has an easy time getting into college, getting a degree, and getting a job, while the entrepreneur has a harder time with this stuff, and often ends up leaving to start their own company, and end up being the boss of the higher IQ person.
EI (emotional intelligence) is actually a hell of a lot more important then IQ when it comes to success.
All the hate the rich stuff quoted here is based completely on peoples bs propaganda, political positions, and propaganda, while the facts truly do not support such beliefs.
Now again that does not mean the poor should be bashed, or put down, or that the rich are superior to anyone else. But it also does not mean they are inferior either, and that is the point I am trying to get across, along with the point that you do not need to be a crooked son of a bitch to get ahead.
Again using diet and exercise as an example, practically everyone could get into better shape if they wanted too, but most people don’t. Instead they make excuses, and put down the people who actually do work out and diet. People just need to realize it was their choice, and they cannot blame any one else.
[quote]optprime wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Fighting : Iam thankful that those chinese sweatshops that employ people @ 1.00/Hr exist ,at least they have jobs. Without the advent of cheap manufacturing less jobs would be available. I think that we just need to get it outof our heads that the " detroit model " of a $40/ hour assembly plant job is what manufacturers will provide to people that cannot do anything else.
Yea, thank God for un-unionized sweatshops…
You missed the point. When they unionize, what is America left with? A colonial empire that we cannot maintain.
Mechanization. As the years go by more and more manufacturing jobs across the globe will be replaced by mechanization.
It’s naive to believe that in the future the world will face a workers’ revolution.
Service jobs anyone?[/quote]
Anything mechanized will require service and sevice professionals, (What’s the question mark supposed to mean after Service Jobs anyone?), is this a reference to a service job being above you? There is good money and alot of potential for a young person in the service industry who’s willing to take the effort and time to learn.
Bullpup
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Fighting : Iam thankful that those chinese sweatshops that employ people @ 1.00/Hr exist ,at least they have jobs. Without the advent of cheap manufacturing less jobs would be available. I think that we just need to get it outof our heads that the " detroit model " of a $40/ hour assembly plant job is what manufacturers will provide to people that cannot do anything else.
Yea, thank God for un-unionized sweatshops…
You missed the point. When they unionize, what is America left with? A colonial empire that we cannot maintain.[/quote]
ok this went over my head - could you explain?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Interesting point. All the more reason why there will be a revolution[/quote]
I don’t know about this… I would surely beleive in a revolution if manufacturing employers were uniformly taking advantage of their employees but that is not the case they don’t make squat profits either with profit margins so low…
Today’s economy is so information and education driven meaning that if you lack technical skills your going to fall behind and fall fast. This high-tech emphasis i think would tend to make marxism irrelevant because he was all about the factory worker kind of guy. And yes like people have been saying the new emphasis is on services which is a heck of a lot nicer to be in than making something so thats a measurable standard of living increase right there.
But I do agree with the person that said marxism could never happen unless it is worldwide or continet wide.
[quote]bullpup wrote:
Anything mechanized will require service and sevice professionals, (What’s the question mark supposed to mean after Service Jobs anyone?), is this a reference to a service job being above you? There is good money and alot of potential for a young person in the service industry who’s willing to take the effort and time to learn.
Bullpup
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I agree service jobs are easy compared to the physical labor stuff that i’ve done through college. Almost anybody could work @ walmart or behind a counter , i’ve never seen those people sweat a drop. If service jobs are too below young people today then i beleive we have problems.
[quote]hspder wrote:
My definition?
A chance of doing “X” that is completely independent of variables that you cannot control (gender, skin color, your parents’ income, where you were born and raised, who you know).
Until I see a black woman born and raised in West Oakland have EXACTLY the same chance at a specific job (all other things being equal) as a white man born and raised in SF’s Nob Hill, I won’t be happy.
[/quote]
You are talking about a job opportunity. I on the other hand am talking about any opportunity to get ahead that is of legal of course. Not one of the things you described can keep them from investing, or owning their own business. Which to me are opportunities.
[quote]
I can’t talk about your wife’s specific situation, but I can talk about the situation of many people I know.
You have to also take into account people that are stuck in their jobs BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND ANOTHER ONE. I know at least half a dozen people that have been looking – very hard – for a higher salary for what they’re doing for 3 years or more – to no avail. In fact, in the Bay Area, if you change companies odds are that your salary will DECREASE, because companies are systematically trying to push the salaries down.
Sure, you can refuse to accept the salary. But somebody else will accept it and you’ll have to keep looking. Maybe for years.[/quote]
That sounds like the market they are in is saturated. That is pretty common. Think about it minimum wage employees are paid that because they can get just about anyone to do that job. If all the companies can get just about anyone to do the job of the people you know then their value is considerably less. After you factor all of that in then you have to consider that the field your friends work in might be one that is struggling. If so then the company is trying to survive and keep the other people employed as well as your friends. It is not always black and white. Employees see things only from their perspective.
I don’t think being specialized in any field is a great quality personally. I think it tends to hurt you more than anything else.
That is not the employers fault. Why pay someone 100k when someone else will do the same job for 50k
I think unions are great for alot of people. I think they are usually corrupt, but if you are going to be a specialized employee you need them to protect you.
The way I look at it life is all about choices. You can choose to stay in school and get a better job or drop out and work at minimum wage. You can choose to live in an area where job choices are few and the cost of living is high or you can move somehere else where the opportunities are better. You can choose to live in the now or live frugally and invest in the future. It’s all about choices.
I always get a kick when I hear how
unfair the “system” is.
Unfortunately there will always be disparity. Why? Because God made us all
different. Some are stronger, some are smarter, bigger, smaller, leaner, fatter.
Lazy, stupid, industrious etc. etc.
Another reason is that there is no perfect system. The soviet union is a good example of taking away from the rich and making everybody poor. You cannot make it all even steven.
Also can you not understand that it’s not our starting ladder position that limits our possibilities…it’s what we are willing to sacrifice that determines how close we come to fullfilling our dreams. Of course the “tools” that nature provided us with along with the way we were brought up plays another important factor.
I have seen similar men with similar demographics end up in totally opposite situations. One with a good business, house and family…the other in jail.
Of course the one in jail cries “unfair” I was born into this. The system did it. The other smiles to himself and thinks back on all the hard work it took to get to where he is.
Decisions…choices…they are what make the difference.
The road never taken…what if I had gone to class more and smoked less crack? Could i have made it as well?
They take the easy road and get the just desserts.
I’m not a poor basher…I started with nothing and made a hell of alot out of that nothing. When i hear the moaning and groaning it makes me angry.
On another note…I have also noticed from personal experience that the really succesful business people where those that over the years stuck to honesty and where decent human beings. The nasty ones often fall flat on their faces, overspend and have to cheat to cover the overspending…it always catches up to them and bites them in the ass.
[quote]grey wrote:
I always get a kick when I hear how
unfair the “system” is.
Unfortunately there will always be disparity. Why? Because God made us all
different. Some are stronger, some are smarter, bigger, smaller, leaner, fatter.
Lazy, stupid, industrious etc. etc.
Another reason is that there is no perfect system. The soviet union is a good example of taking away from the rich and making everybody poor. You cannot make it all even steven.
Also can you not understand that it’s not our starting ladder position that limits our possibilities…it’s what we are willing to sacrifice that determines how close we come to fullfilling our dreams. Of course the “tools” that nature provided us with along with the way we were brought up plays another important factor.
I have seen similar men with similar demographics end up in totally opposite situations. One with a good business, house and family…the other in jail.
Of course the one in jail cries “unfair” I was born into this. The system did it. The other smiles to himself and thinks back on all the hard work it took to get to where he is.
Decisions…choices…they are what make the difference.
The road never taken…what if I had gone to class more and smoked less crack? Could i have made it as well?
They take the easy road and get the just desserts.
I’m not a poor basher…I started with nothing and made a hell of alot out of that nothing. When i hear the moaning and groaning it makes me angry.
On another note…I have also noticed from personal experience that the really succesful business people where those that over the years stuck to honesty and where decent human beings. The nasty ones often fall flat on their faces, overspend and have to cheat to cover the overspending…it always catches up to them and bites them in the ass.
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That’s one way of looking at it Grey. I believe this to a point.
BigDon, what I mean is that if the US empire today is one that is no longer direct control, but economic. The sweatshops and what not that are in Asia provide us with cheap shit to buy on store shelves. Now, if they unionize, the American empire is out of luck, for if these people truly made a stand, there would be nothing that America could or would do about it. That leaves us dependent on these people that will no longer work for fifteen cents a day. This, I think, will happen eventually, but being as I’m no economics expert, I can’t tell for sure.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
That’s one way of looking at it Grey. I believe this to a point.
BigDon, what I mean is that if the US empire today is one that is no longer direct control, but economic. The sweatshops and what not that are in Asia provide us with cheap shit to buy on store shelves. Now, if they unionize, the American empire is out of luck, for if these people truly made a stand, there would be nothing that America could or would do about it. That leaves us dependent on these people that will no longer work for fifteen cents a day. This, I think, will happen eventually, but being as I’m no economics expert, I can’t tell for sure.[/quote]
America is not an empire. We do not have an emperor as required for the definition.
The “sweat shops” in foreign countries are allowed by some of those countries, not ours. Also when American companies come in, they actually pay more, and demand better conditions for the employees then the non-American sweatshops. (Yes there are sweat shops without American involvement believe it or not.)
America has no real legal control over this because it does not happen in our country. The only actions against sweatshops are economic by the consumer.
Some of these places have been found to make the workers give back some of the money they make without the American companies knowledge.
Not all products made overseas, either for American companies, or others, are made in true sweatshops.
I would like to actually find out real information, but all I seem to find online are political groups. Though I did find an article where Taiwan raided an illegal sweatshop, and have 407 boys they don’t know what to do with.
I should say I do not believe working hard for what we consider low wages to be true sweatshop conditions. Abuse, children, forced work, and/or very improperly dangerous conditions must be in the mix. Some think if you work more then 20 hours at less then $500 a week you are working in a sweatshop, or anything made in a foreign country must be made in a sweatshop. (Ferrari? Must be made in a sweatshop.)
Many countries are going through growing pains, and I do believe that in a way you are correct. The workers are actually starting to make more money, and become more powerful. As the work grows, the conditions have to improve because the employees will start having choices. There may be unions, or there may not be, but regardless the work keeps increasing in these countries, and that will lead to higher wages and prosperity.
American businesses are making more and more demands, and starting to check up more on these facilities. If only to keep their names out of the papers.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Lorisco,
We are getting closer, but I’d suggest that “role models” in this sense don’t offer very much.
People need to learn skills and discipline. Knowing that others have done so is fine, but it is a very small piece of the puzzle.
We all “know” that people who succeed made the right choices… worked hard and so on. However, like watching our sports heros on television, we don’t gain their skills by casual observation.
[/quote]
Very true, that is why these successful people should help out the community by teaching others. I’m not saying that just observation is enough. I would like to see those that make it who come from poor communities go back and help other make it by teaching them the skills and knowledge they learned.
This is the best approach as those in the community can identify with those from the community that have made it and that helps them get the idea that they can do it as well.
So instead of taxing the shit out of rich people, I think the Government should offer a community service option where they can go teach to reduce their taxes.
Well vroom, it is their fault, no one to blame but themselves. They deserve the consequences of their actions, no question. However, that doesn’t mean we don’t help them.
I’m against the idea that people are not responsible for the outcome of their choices. Everyone is responsible for their own choices and the results of those choices. So they “deserve” the results of their choices. We all deserve what we get. But that doesn’t mean we can’t help someone who made poor choices. It’s about grace and compassion, not shifting the blame on someone else.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
BigDon, what I mean is that if the US empire today is one that is no longer direct control, but economic. The sweatshops and what not that are in Asia provide us with cheap shit to buy on store shelves. Now, if they unionize, the American empire is out of luck, for if these people truly made a stand, there would be nothing that America could or would do about it. That leaves us dependent on these people that will no longer work for fifteen cents a day. This, I think, will happen eventually, but being as I’m no economics expert, I can’t tell for sure.[/quote]
Of course it will happen you are exactly right on this. The laborers compete for wages just like businesses compete for revenue, and they will unionize and go on strike as often as it is a good idea. You have to realize however, that time is passing these people by fast with the economy getting more high-tech. Thats just the way its going to be we can’t change that unless we all become fundamentalis-islamic and bring the US back to the 15th century.
Another thing, is that over the long term- there are NO economic profits , meaning that a business is going to up and fold just as often as one will suceed so there is really no way that they could ever oppress the worker, and even if they wanted to go the other route and pay high wages they would have to increase the price of their factory goods like clothes, toys or whatever allowing people to buy less. Everybody would be able to buy less because of inflation and we wouldnt get any more production out of it either so it would be stagflation.
Also, over time the wages of these other countries will go up , that and the wages of the US (which are higher than the rest of the world) will go down. So time will solve these things i think you are talking about the rest of the world more than america because they have it a lot harder than we do.
Over the last 10 years there has been a constant shift in where goods that are sold on American shelves are produced.
Look at walmart. 99% of the stuff they sell is produced in third world countries.
That in itself would not be a problem if they paid normal (normal for that country) wages…the problem is they look for the cheapest products…period. The fact that the forests are being destroyed in that country has no bearing on purchase policy.
Europe on the other hand has initiated laws that prohibit buying forest products from countries that have no reforestation programs in place.
China has also become the new place for international companies to invest and manufacture…at 1 dollar a day average wages it’s quite a bargain. The Chinese
have recently almost bankrupted the world marble and tile manufacturers in Italy and other traditional stone processing countries. They simply sell below cost and get huge government subsidies to do so as well as forgivable loans for the purchase of the newest technologies. It is an all out war and the funny thing is that people like Wallmart are “aiding and abetting” the enemy…filling their coffers while North American, European and other countries begin to feel the bite of unemployment.
You do realize that the owners of Walmart are the richest family in the USA…richer than Gates with their combined assets…
Cheap goods…at what later price is my question?
[quote]grey wrote:
Over the last 10 years there has been a constant shift in where goods that are sold on American shelves are produced.
Look at walmart. 99% of the stuff they sell is produced in third world countries.
That in itself would not be a problem if they paid normal (normal for that country) wages…the problem is they look for the cheapest products…period. The fact that the forests are being destroyed in that country has no bearing on purchase policy.
Europe on the other hand has initiated laws that prohibit buying forest products from countries that have no reforestation programs in place.
China has also become the new place for international companies to invest and manufacture…at 1 dollar a day average wages it’s quite a bargain. The Chinese
have recently almost bankrupted the world marble and tile manufacturers in Italy and other traditional stone processing countries. They simply sell below cost and get huge government subsidies to do so as well as forgivable loans for the purchase of the newest technologies. It is an all out war and the funny thing is that people like Wallmart are “aiding and abetting” the enemy…filling their coffers while North American, European and other countries begin to feel the bite of unemployment.
You do realize that the owners of Walmart are the richest family in the USA…richer than Gates with their combined assets…
Cheap goods…at what later price is my question? [/quote]
But, with cheaper goods people around the world could buy more? Anyway what is the solution to what you are saying? i like hearing from different people.
Hey Bigdon… there really is no solution. Why? Because individual profits will always be in first place. The needs of the poor will be an afterthought as always, a last paragraph, a post scriptum.
What I do believe is that the redistribution of world wealth will not make everybody rich…it will make more poor people. Today it’s happening in the States and Canada. More poor people. The middle class is becoming the lower class as wealth is being mopped up by giant corporations who are consolidating and controlling more of the free world.
I read somewhere that 90% of the food in the world is produced by 10 companies…a scary thought if true.
Monsanto corporation is just one of the giants. Google Monsanto and see what you see. They are the producers of nutrasweet among other things. It’s giants like this who control the politics in third world countries with financial carrot and stick policies.
The topic of rich and poor can bring in a lot of side debates… the only thing I know is there are less and less mom and pop stores and small business is hurting bad. European unions and trade agreements like Nafta etc. look good from one angle. But if you squint a bit you can see that it’s just a stepping stone to world domination by a bunch of old men with grey hair.
Conspiracy theory? I don’t know.
But it has me thinking sometimes.
I don’t believe it’s all just haphazard.