REZ-V = Trans-Resveratrol?

Nutrition
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So. If it was fed to pigs, how does that lower the effectiveness of the antioxidant? Science has already proven that antioxidants prevent premature aging. Resveratrol is just a stronger antioxidant with great benefits.

[quote]mike59 wrote:
Don’t like to chime in when it comes to supps. ssoooo much contreversy, but-
Roger Mason, who i respect, and is not impressed by resveratrol.

Grape skins were fed to pigs and used for fertilizer until someone came up with the idea to sell it to humans.
life extension-(who i think is quite a ripoff) sells 60x20mg for $32, raw material cost .60cents.

If one believes in natural healing, and food over supps. he may be a worthwhile read.

Easy guys, just conveying his opinion as i have no knowledge on the subject.[/quote]

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[quote]Dominator wrote:
itsthetimman wrote:
On how much the mice were given in the study, which is ridiculous for humans to take as it’d be a bottle of Rez-V a day.

The metabolic effect of RSV was initially evaluated in a cohort of male C57Bl/6J mice that were given a dose of 200 or 400 mg/kg/day (mpk) of RSV administered in either a chow diet or high fat (HF) diet for 15 weeks

I read that study as well, and after reading it, I had the same feelings.

I’ve been taking Rez-V for some time now, and honestly, I don’t feel anything. I thought I felt something when I first started taking it, but it turned out not to be the case.

I do think it may have some effect on health and the ability to fight off colds. One thing that I have noticed is that I seem to recover rather fast from colds. I’ve also noticed people around me getting sick yet I was free of any of the symptoms.

So, what it comes down to me now is whether or not Rez-V is worth taking simply for health effects. I’m convinced that the estrogen blocking effects are minimal at best, and personally, 6-OXO seems to be a better fit for that catagory. For the cost, at 3 tabs a day, I don’t think it’s quite worth the money, but if one can have the same health effects on 1 tab a day, it may be worth including, at least for me because being healthy and not missing workouts is extremely important.
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Well, a supplement like REZ-V is supposed to help fight premature aging. Even if you’re not “feeling anything”, you’re not really going to feel the supplement aiding in the health benefits of preventing premature aging right away. However, as with any effective vitamin or herbal supplement, I’m sure the benefits will be more noticeable within time.

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Anyone noticed their endurance increased since taking Rez-V??

“An ordinary laboratory mouse will run one kilometer on a treadmill before collapsing from exhaustion. But mice given resveratrol, a minor component of red wine and other foods, run twice as far. They also have energy-charged muscles and a reduced heart rate, just as trained athletes do, according to an article published online in Cell by Johan Auwerx and colleagues at the Institute of Genetics and Molecular and Cellular Biology in Illkirch, France.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/17/healthscience/web.1117wine.php

*Note, This was not the only website I found this on, nor was it the first. I just happen to remember reading it and used that page as a quote.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Roger Mason is beginning to sound like a bit of an Internet nutbar…

I mean, it is great that he wants to think for himself, and that historically nobody had researched resveratrol, but that is no longer the case.

It’s also strange to play word games with the definition of hormones to attempt to show that plants cannot produce mimetic effects.

Maybe you should widen your sources a bit and spend some time reading PubMed?[/quote]

Vroom,
went on the site you recommended, looks interesting, thanks. do some research on R. Mason, been around for some time. you’ll get the feeling that he doesn’t care for co’s. selling worthless products with no research to the public. his comments are backed with much research.
if you read one of his books i think you’d agree.
thanks for the info.
Mike
oh, he does say that drs. have testosterone all wrong :o)

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Well, a supplement like REZ-V is supposed to help fight premature aging. Even if you’re not “feeling anything”, you’re not really going to feel the supplement aiding in the health benefits of preventing premature aging right away. However, as with any effective vitamin or herbal supplement, I’m sure the benefits will be more noticeable within time.
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I agree with your statement, especially if REZ-V was marketed that way, but the supplement is marketed as a T-booster/Estrogen blocker.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Science has already proven that antioxidants prevent premature aging.

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Show me the scientific proof.

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[quote]Dominator wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Well, a supplement like REZ-V is supposed to help fight premature aging. Even if you’re not “feeling anything”, you’re not really going to feel the supplement aiding in the health benefits of preventing premature aging right away. However, as with any effective vitamin or herbal supplement, I’m sure the benefits will be more noticeable within time.

I agree with your statement, especially if REZ-V was marketed that way, but the supplement is marketed as a T-booster/Estrogen blocker.[/quote]

I don’t believe there is enough evidence to prove that it’s a T booster.

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[quote]Edders wrote:
Cthulhu wrote

Show me the scientific proof.

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You’re kidding, right? Anyone with a high school education knows that antioxidants help prevent premature aging.

Antioxidants protect our bodies from free radicals that can damage DNA and therefore cause our cells to reproduce improperly which can lead to any number of diseases including coronary heart disease, cancer, premature aging, inflammatory diseases, Parkinson’s, periodontal disease, and cataracts. Do a search and you’ll find many studies showing this. However, I am assuming you’re finished with high school, correct?

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I agree. But not all Resveratrol supplements are marketed as Testosterone boosters/Estrogen blockers.
And I do believe the Biotest supplement, REZ-V, is marketed as a testosterone support supplement, not a testosterone booster.

[quote]Dominator wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Well, a supplement like REZ-V is supposed to help fight premature aging. Even if you’re not “feeling anything”, you’re not really going to feel the supplement aiding in the health benefits of preventing premature aging right away. However, as with any effective vitamin or herbal supplement, I’m sure the benefits will be more noticeable within time.

I agree with your statement, especially if REZ-V was marketed that way, but the supplement is marketed as a T-booster/Estrogen blocker.[/quote]

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My dad has been taking REZ-V for about 3 months now… He had his PSA levels checked about 4 months ago and they were pretty high. His recent PSA levels have dropped quite noticeably. Could it be the REZ-V? Maybe. Resveratrol is reported to support a healthy prostate. So it seems it’s possibly helped a bit.

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[quote]bknieriem wrote:
What is the difference, if any, between the highly pure resveratrol in REZ-V and trans-resveratrol I see listed as and ingrediant to some grape extract poducts? Is it the same substance just a shorter name?

If not does trans-resveratrol have a different application?[/quote]

Here is a little picture depicting the difference between Trans-Resveratrol and Cis-Resveratrol (which I am assuming is the other form, dont know much about it, Im not a chemistry major, but I do know cis and trans are generally opposite). Short little lesson for you, might not be entirely accurate: cis and trans are just two different conformations of the same molecule, but they sometimes act differently. (im not sure how they would act differently in this case, just know they do sometimes). Also, I know in the case of resveratrol trans can become cis when heated or exposed to too much radiation (uv maybe?, too much light?)

Also, Im not sure which from the “highly pure” resveratrol is. I am GUESSING that they use Trans-Resveratrol, this is my guess because on the package of REZ-V I had, it said not to expose it to too much heat (and since that would revert trans to cis, it makes sense to me) also, the highly pure might refer to something entirely different than cis or trans, some special quality, i dont really know.

Beyond the scientific proof, there is the anecdotal evidence, I took it for about a month and I was very pleased, to be honest I didnt notice a whole lot IN THE GYM, but I was just generally happier and felt better while on it and (excuse the imagery) I was a walking boner while on it, it was like taking viagra.

So anyways, hope that helped, and maybe some chemist can come on here and straighten me out (im sure i screwed up the explanation somewhere, i just bombed my organic chem test this morning), or one of the T-Nation authors or mods. Hope that helped

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also from wikipedia- “Ordinary non-muscadine Red wine contains between 0.2 and 5.8 mg/L [4], depending on the grape variety,” not really on the same level as REZ-V

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lol. Roger Mason. Great.

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Holy shit, I’ve been wondering why my cardio ability seemed to be higher than it “should” be given my infrequent cardio efforts.

Now it makes sense.

Oh yeah, PubMed is “interesting” but Mr. Mason has “research”. Somehow those statements seem incongruous.

Why the big push for nutbar Mason? I’m starting to get suspicious. I mean, come on, you know what PubMed actually contains right?

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I have been taking REV-Z for a full month’s supply.

I diddnt notice anything at all. Sure, It’s probabaly still a great product for its health benefits, but for anti-estrogen, I cant say I feel or notice a significant change. Not like when I took M.

I just want M back. That was some awesome shit.

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[quote]NrgJake wrote:
My dad has been taking REZ-V for about 3 months now… He had his PSA levels checked about 4 months ago and they were pretty high. His recent PSA levels have dropped quite noticeably. Could it be the REZ-V? Maybe. Resveratrol is reported to support a healthy prostate. So it seems it’s possibly helped a bit.[/quote]

Jake,
that’s great. my friend who “was” taking REZ-V had his psa go from 10 to 15 !! did your dad change his diet as well ?

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[quote]BusterBob wrote:
lol. Roger Mason. Great.

Buster,
can always find something about someone on the web. Weil, Mercola,etc. all respected. the countless vitamin co’s. out there who produce junk. the contreversies on products are endless. what about milk, some could argue for days good/bad. it’s endless. everyone decides for themselves i guess is the bottom line.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Holy shit, I’ve been wondering why my cardio ability seemed to be higher than it “should” be given my infrequent cardio efforts.

Now it makes sense.

Oh yeah, PubMed is “interesting” but Mr. Mason has “research”. Somehow those statements seem incongruous.

Why the big push for nutbar Mason? I’m starting to get suspicious. I mean, come on, you know what PubMed actually contains right?[/quote]

Vroom,
no push here. just trying to chime in, which i said in my original post is dangerous when it comes to this subject.
very contraversial. just trying to add another side to the topic, no harm intended.
Mike

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Edders wrote:
Cthulhu wrote

Show me the scientific proof.

You’re kidding, right? Anyone with a high school education knows that antioxidants help prevent premature aging.

Antioxidants protect our bodies from free radicals that can damage DNA and therefore cause our cells to reproduce improperly which can lead to any number of diseases including coronary heart disease, cancer, premature aging, inflammatory diseases, Parkinson’s, periodontal disease, and cataracts. Do a search and you’ll find many studies showing this. However, I am assuming you’re finished with high school, correct?[/quote]

That’s good that you used put downs to try to bolster your weak point. But I’m afraid it didn’t work. Reason being, you never showed me the scientific proof that I asked for. And I don’t want to look at anything that has come from a vitamin company. I’m talking about serious studies performed by objective analysis that prove your assertion.

Now get busy.

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Never mind