Return of Real Men

[quote]ab_power wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Interesting theory but I think it’s that life is sooooo easy now. Modern civilization has taken the hard edges off many men. Made them lazy. I don’t think it’s the food although I won’t deny it could be contributory.

I agree with this. High testosterone just doesn’t have the advantage it used to - at least not overtly.

TC mentioned the book Heroes Rogues Lovers - Testosterone and Behavior. I picked it up a couple years back, really cool read.

The author took saliva samples of a bunch of men in different professions to compare T levels. The ones who had the highest were suprising to say the least.

What were the results? or should I buy the book…[/quote]

The book is really cool, there’s a lot more to it.

I’ll give some of the results: Players in the NFL were almost at the top. At the same level of high T were professional actors. But there was one group that was even higher…

And among the lowest were farmers. The theory being farming requires extreme amounts of patience - which is not something you get from testosterone.

CS Lewis has a good discussion of the feminization of men in “Mere Christianity,” though obviously his take wouldn’t appeal to many here. Still, it was a problem even around the WWII period, when he gave his original radio lectures that were later compiled into the book.

Push is right. For many reasons people don’t do as much as before. I’m teaching my son as much guy and man stuff as possible doing wise, and I’m trying hard to teach him some personal responsibility.

[quote]ab_power wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Interesting theory but I think it’s that life is sooooo easy now. Modern civilization has taken the hard edges off many men. Made them lazy. I don’t think it’s the food although I won’t deny it could be contributory.

I agree with this. High testosterone just doesn’t have the advantage it used to - at least not overtly.

TC mentioned the book Heroes Rogues Lovers - Testosterone and Behavior. I picked it up a couple years back, really cool read.

The author took saliva samples of a bunch of men in different professions to compare T levels. The ones who had the highest were suprising to say the least.

What were the results? or should I buy the book…[/quote]

I’ll wait for the movie…

[quote]Digity wrote:
Cooking is fine…but you have to have killed whatever you’re cooking with your bare hands. Killing a vegetable by picking it doesn’t count.[/quote]

Best avatar I’ve seen in awhile, although it makes my butt hurt for some reason.

[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
ab_power wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Interesting theory but I think it’s that life is sooooo easy now. Modern civilization has taken the hard edges off many men. Made them lazy. I don’t think it’s the food although I won’t deny it could be contributory.

I agree with this. High testosterone just doesn’t have the advantage it used to - at least not overtly.

TC mentioned the book Heroes Rogues Lovers - Testosterone and Behavior. I picked it up a couple years back, really cool read.

The author took saliva samples of a bunch of men in different professions to compare T levels. The ones who had the highest were suprising to say the least.

What were the results? or should I buy the book…

The book is really cool, there’s a lot more to it.

I’ll give some of the results: Players in the NFL were almost at the top. At the same level of high T were professional actors. But there was one group that was even higher…

And among the lowest were farmers. The theory being farming requires extreme amounts of patience - which is not something you get from testosterone.[/quote]

Where does that leave Matt Hughes?

[quote]Majin wrote:
It’s not TV or games. It’s shitty people cloning and feeding.[/quote]

I refuse to give up on Darwinism

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
ab_power wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Interesting theory but I think it’s that life is sooooo easy now. Modern civilization has taken the hard edges off many men. Made them lazy. I don’t think it’s the food although I won’t deny it could be contributory.

I agree with this. High testosterone just doesn’t have the advantage it used to - at least not overtly.

TC mentioned the book Heroes Rogues Lovers - Testosterone and Behavior. I picked it up a couple years back, really cool read.

The author took saliva samples of a bunch of men in different professions to compare T levels. The ones who had the highest were suprising to say the least.

What were the results? or should I buy the book…

I’ll wait for the movie…[/quote]

Actually it’s funny you should mention that:

[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
ab_power wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Interesting theory but I think it’s that life is sooooo easy now. Modern civilization has taken the hard edges off many men. Made them lazy. I don’t think it’s the food although I won’t deny it could be contributory.

I agree with this. High testosterone just doesn’t have the advantage it used to - at least not overtly.

TC mentioned the book Heroes Rogues Lovers - Testosterone and Behavior. I picked it up a couple years back, really cool read.

The author took saliva samples of a bunch of men in different professions to compare T levels. The ones who had the highest were suprising to say the least.

What were the results? or should I buy the book…

I’ll wait for the movie…

Actually it’s funny you should mention that:

Rick Roll - YouTube [/quote]

you sly guy you!

[quote]pushharder wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
CS Lewis has a good discussion of the feminization of men in “Mere Christianity,” though obviously his take wouldn’t appeal to many here. Still, it was a problem even around the WWII period, when he gave his original radio lectures that were later compiled into the book.

Care to elaborate? I read part of the book a long time ago but have forgotten this part. Lewis has an amazing mind on him, I will say that.[/quote]

ACtually, I’m thinking it was in “That Hideous Strength” now. I’ll see if i can dig up the part.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
AccipiterQ wrote:
Tristram wrote:
As far as seeing this kind of stuff, I got it quite a bit when I interned in a public accounting firm recently. It was people who thought that a good workout was walking up/down 2 flights of stairs 3 times a day. It is people asking me if I workout/train, and then they look at me like I am from Mars when I tell them what I do and how I train. I think it hit the peak when someone told me that they found a study that said that drinking 6-8 glasses of water a day was not all that benificial. She then supported this idea by saying that she didn’t have to go to the bathroom very often if she didn’t drink all that much. How lazy can you get? Now, to be fair, there were a few folks there who were in pretty good shape, but by and large, these folks just could not stand the fact that some people actually get off of their asses and train sometimes. I also got the “fat is bad for you” line a good bit. This was often said to me as a person chowed down on a cerial bar that had nothing but carbs in it, or fat free chips. I think its the ignorance of a statement like that that appauls me the most. Certain types of fat are bad, yes, but the human body needs fat, carbs, and protien, in the proper proportions, to stay healthy.

I will end on this note. We have gotten into a very serious and heated debate over a lot of different topics, all because of an article that, as near as I can tell, was intended to be funny first and foremost. I just can’t help but laugh at this a little bit.

haha yeah the article was supposed to be funny, I got a chuckle out of it.

As for people looking at you like you have two heads…it’s because most people DON’T train like we do here…there has never been a time in history when a majority of people trained as hard as most on this site do.

There’s also the problem that a lot of us, when asked about how we train get very snide and condescending (not saying you do) with the people asking. I’ve caught myself doing so a few times and apologized. For some reason people in very good shape get this sense of superiority often times. The reaction a lot of people here are bitching about isn’t because of some ‘metrofication’ of society, but maybe a reaction to how they present themselves to others.

Says the guy who can’t seem to take a picture that isn’t of his flexed abs.

Dude. Never, EVER act like you are part of the same club I am a part of. You don’t train like I do. You take metro, ghey ab shots. You have the disease and you don’t even know it.

Not that I give a shit how you choose to live, or what you want to look like - but please don’t include yourself in any sort of “real man” fraternity.

And while we are on the subject - please clue me the fuck in on how you became an expert on ruminant nutrition.

Please stop acting like you are part of any world I am a part of. You are not. To assume you you are shows just how detached you have become from exactly what real man actually is.
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See and this is EXACTLY what I was posting about. You take this attitude, and others do too, that you are somehow ‘superior’ or ‘elite’ because you train harder. But someone who doesn’t may do something ELSE with more enthusiasm than you do. But you come off like a total asswipe. The ghey myspace pictures I’ve taken and posted on here have all been captioned as such, and are blatantly a parody. I have about 10 pictures on here of my legs, quads, ham strings, and lats. But you choose to focus on something else and come off sounding like a douche with a false sense of superiority. and THAT is a big reason why people give ‘body builders’ so much shit. Part of it is because someone in piss poor shape also probably feels bad about it, and if you’re in good shape you make them more aware of this. But a HUGE part of it is the attitude.

Like look at this statement: "To assume you you are shows just how detached you have become from exactly what real man actually is. " I am DYING to see what your list of what a real man is actually looks like. I’m dying to hear it. Does choking down more supplements than me make you a real man? Does going to the gym a couple hours a week extra make you a real man? Is it your ‘dedication’ to the gym that does? PLEASE tell me, because otherwise you’re just spouting off and you sound like a complete assfuck.

All I say is wow…people move on a get a life …
quit arguing about it-say your peace and thats that.
let the real men, who we know who we are " Keep on fighting the good fight"

[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:

See and this is EXACTLY what I was posting about. You take this attitude, and others do too, that you are somehow ‘superior’ or ‘elite’ because you train harder. But someone who doesn’t may do something ELSE with more enthusiasm than you do. But you come off like a total asswipe. The ghey myspace pictures I’ve taken and posted on here have all been captioned as such, and are blatantly a parody. I have about 10 pictures on here of my legs, quads, ham strings, and lats. But you choose to focus on something else and come off sounding like a douche with a false sense of superiority. and THAT is a big reason why people give ‘body builders’ so much shit. Part of it is because someone in piss poor shape also probably feels bad about it, and if you’re in good shape you make them more aware of this. But a HUGE part of it is the attitude.

Like look at this statement: "To assume you you are shows just how detached you have become from exactly what real man actually is. " I am DYING to see what your list of what a real man is actually looks like. I’m dying to hear it. Does choking down more supplements than me make you a real man? Does going to the gym a couple hours a week extra make you a real man? Is it your ‘dedication’ to the gym that does? PLEASE tell me, because otherwise you’re just spouting off and you sound like a complete assfuck. [/quote]

Whatever, kiddo. You were the douche who decided to invite himself into my world by using words like “we” and “us”.

You are not part of any “we” I care to be associated with, based on your ramblings in this thread.

You speak like a child. You think as if a college professor is pouring swill into your head - totally void of real effort on your part. Nothing you have said is unique, or insightful.

Had you not invited yourself into the group of people who train hard, I would probably not have even bothered to post. But having people like you (based on the shit you are talking in this thread)assuming you are part of this needs to be called out for the bullshit it is.