If Operation Ajax was an attack on Iran. Then it’s safe to say that Iraq attacked us when it attempted to assassinate President Bush.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If Operation Ajax was an attack on Iran. Then it’s safe to say that Iraq attacked us when it attempted to assassinate President Bush. [/quote]
Those are still allegations.
You know, kinda like the missing Iraqi WMD, Saddam-9/11 link or the Iranians building a nuke.
Or the US causing the tsunami?
From the Wikipedia:
George H.W. Bush
April 13, 1993: Sixteen men, in the alleged employment of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University. The plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins.[27] Bush had left office in January 1993. On June 26, 1993, the U.S. launched a missile attack targeting Baghdad intelligence headquarters in retaliation for the attempted attack against Bush.[28] The Iraqi Intelligence Service, particularly Directorate 14, was identified as behind the plot.[29]
So, this is bogus?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
hedo wrote:
“what war actually means” You think YOU will learn that out of a book?
Of course he does! Didn’t you know that “99.9” of Americans know about life in the US by what they read in the media?
Lol.
Except for the negligible part they live in, yes, that is exactly true.
You personally, have never seen more than 1 tenth of one percent of your country and you never will.
Translated into people that would also mean you personally knew 300000 people, so even less than 99,9 us true.
You know 99,99 of your country only by media.
Stupid beyond all repair.
Stupid, even for an arrogant, pompous foreigner like you.
Just plain stupid.
You’re not even entertaining anymore.
Stupid. Stupid! STUPID!
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Boy, there is just no resisting your mighty debating skills.
I´m like, blown away by the power of your argument.
[quote] From the Wikipedia:
George H.W. Bush
April 13, 1993: Sixteen men, in the alleged employment of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University. The plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins.[27] Bush had left office in January 1993. On June 26, 1993, the U.S. launched a missile attack targeting Baghdad intelligence headquarters in retaliation for the attempted attack against Bush.[28] The Iraqi Intelligence Service, particularly Directorate 14, was identified as behind the plot.[29]
So, this is bogus?
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That may be true and certainly Iran did a lot worse we do not know about.
The point was, if you look at the last page, that a lot of nations, including the US, do that kind of shit and to call something like that a war or to justify a real war with it is pure horse shit.
Some people seem to be happy to call anything a “war” so that they can finally bomb civilians in good conscience.
I kind of do not like that attitude.
I like it even less if the same actions taken by the US are of course NOT “acts of war” which is why any violent reaction to them is of course never justified though they automatically constitute a casus belli.
It is a dishonest, narrow minded and weak way of interpreting the world.
Never mind that it is also wrong, which is why it costs so much in terms of US lifes alone.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
From the Wikipedia:
George H.W. Bush
April 13, 1993: Sixteen men, in the alleged employment of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University. [/quote]
See.
Operation Ajax, on the other hand, is irrefutable. It was described by none other than Madeleine Albright as a “setback for democratic government” in Iran.
Freedom of information’s bitch, ey?
[quote]orion wrote:
It is a dishonest, narrow minded and weak way of interpreting the world.
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Interesting point, if I am indeed reading this correctly. So, what is your opinion? Did the US attack Iran or not?
(It would have been easier to point at the airplane incident if someone wanted to show aggression by the US against Iran, but the US haters missed their chance…hahaha!)
The attack on the marine barracks in Lebanon, in your opinion, an attack on the US or not?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Chushin wrote:
hedo wrote:
“what war actually means” You think YOU will learn that out of a book?
Of course he does! Didn’t you know that “99.9” of Americans know about life in the US by what they read in the media?
Lol.
Not “media,” Chushin. “Internet.” He claims that 99.9 of Americans only know about themselves from the Internet.
No need to live, to work, to serve, to educate oneself among people. The Internet, Chushin, and Orion is its Prophet.
There is but one Internet, and Orion is its Prophet.
I like it, Doc!
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Chushin,
I owe you an apology.
In an effort to correct your term “media,” which would include books, journals, etc, I remembered Orion’s word was “internet.” In my lapse of editing skills, in the quoted post, I meant to write, “He claims that 99,9 of what Americans know about themselves comes from the internet.” This Orion offered as an explanation of why he could be knowledgeable about the US without every having even set foot in it. My meaning is clear from the rest of the jibe.
But, oh, my error is worth it: look at how the impotent Orion, and his amanuensis Lixy, flail and foam at the mouth, “triumphant” in discovering my little error. It was only error, after all, and not the deliberate lies, contrived avoidances, and empty moralizing from those two infants, but their rampage was so enjoyable, I might err again, just to watch the spittle and drool that originates from their toothless mugs.
SO…Chushy, let’s do this again right soon!
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
It is a dishonest, narrow minded and weak way of interpreting the world.
Interesting point, if I am indeed reading this correctly. So, what is your opinion? Did the US attack Iran or not?
(It would have been easier to point at the airplane incident if someone wanted to show aggression by the US against Iran, but the US haters missed their chance…hahaha!)
The attack on the marine barracks in Lebanon, in your opinion, an attack on the US or not?[/quote]
I dunno.
Ousting presidents, staging commando raids and aiding insurgencies in a country is pretty shitty behavior.
Blowing up military installations and sponsoring suicide attacks by frustrated teenagers is also not exactly civilized.
I do not care if these are acts of war or not, but if you call it that way if your opponent does it you must accept that you did, and do, the same.
It is like calling something torture if the Japanese do it, and executing people because of it, and calling it all kinds of nonsense when it happens in Guantanamo.
Who in the world do you think buys that shit? Not many, if you look at international polls.
Machiavellian lies ought to be clever. The sheer determination to bullshit is simply not enough.
That there are actually people left that fall for this administrations talking points and spew them out with self righteous gusto is somewhere between hilarious and sickening.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
It is a dishonest, narrow minded and weak way of interpreting the world.
Interesting point, if I am indeed reading this correctly. So, what is your opinion? Did the US attack Iran or not?
(It would have been easier to point at the airplane incident if someone wanted to show aggression by the US against Iran, but the US haters missed their chance…hahaha!)
The attack on the marine barracks in Lebanon, in your opinion, an attack on the US or not?[/quote]
Well, Operation Ajax was one example, and in my opinion a pretty damn dramatic one. You overthrew their democratic government and installed a dictator. And it was not in my opinion an example of open war, nor necessarily sufficient justification thereof.
What you are ignoring is it was a response to the claim that the US did not attack Iran first, in the cold war or whatever you want to call them style of confrontation that was being discussed. Not all attacks equate to open war.
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Oh my. Orion got a testosterone spike, above what is normal for a middle aged female that is. That’s alright, it didn’t do anything for your IQ.
Actually most middle aged women have a, in fact several, testosterone spikes.
Another area you have no idea what you are talking about.
While you are trying to learn about war from a book…look up unconventional war. You may even tune into a few public speaches from the fearless leader of Iran.
Only idiots like you wait until the enemy is strongest to attack. Didn’t you read that in your “war book”.
When did we attack Iran again. Was it after we ordered the Soviets to leave after WW2?
Try again dipshit.
Then, only idiots like you turn people into enemies by , gasp, attacking them, helping to overthrow their elected leaders and installing a brutal dictator.
Feel free to make more enemies by attacking even more people who would not give a shit about you otherwise, but don´t get all upset if they respond in kind.
Girly man.
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Yes and those spikes would be higher then your natural levels because you clearly are lacking. I am sure I have forgot more about training then you will ever know by the way.
Why do you think I would become upset? I’m not fearful of my enemies…you are. The US is perfectly capable of eliminating threats.
Keep trying. You are having a bad time of it and I like to see internet meltdowns by annoying twits.
Girly man…that was a term used by a famous bodybuilder. I’m suprised you would have come across it. Doesn’t seem to be an interest of yours.