[quote]dmaddox wrote:
But unions believe these that are uneducated should be paid 160k and given a 5% raise annually for no reason. We are all entitled to have more money. The unions need to continue to increase salaries because they need their 7% dues to continue. They do not care about the common man they only care about the dues. The union bosses are turning into elitists just like DC. [/quote]
And that’s always been my problem with unions. I sort of see/saw unions as a natural, even good thing, in their original/basic capacity as skilled (or unskilled, high-risk) laborers coming together to demand better wages, or else they’d all walk out and the company would have to shut down. I like that idea. I’m fine with it. I think that’s just part of the market: labor wants more money, and in that model, they can ask for more, so long as their labor is valuable enough to justify the expense (i.e. they’d be difficult to replace).
However, the institutionalization of unions I think killed that, and unions now get “special status” granted by the government. I have a huge problem with that. I have a huge problem when the union is able to “demand” that an easily replaceable worker, who took all of a shift to train, be treated like high-demand, difficult to replace, skilled labor.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
But unions believe these that are uneducated should be paid 160k and given a 5% raise annually for no reason. We are all entitled to have more money. The unions need to continue to increase salaries because they need their 7% dues to continue. They do not care about the common man they only care about the dues. The union bosses are turning into elitists just like DC. [/quote]
And that’s always been my problem with unions. I sort of see/saw unions as a natural, even good thing, in their original/basic capacity as skilled (or unskilled, high-risk) laborers coming together to demand better wages, or else they’d all walk out and the company would have to shut down. I like that idea. I’m fine with it. I think that’s just part of the market: labor wants more money, and in that model, they can ask for more, so long as their labor is valuable enough to justify the expense (i.e. they’d be difficult to replace).
However, the institutionalization of unions I think killed that, and unions now get “special status” granted by the government. I have a huge problem with that. I have a huge problem when the union is able to “demand” that an easily replaceable worker, who took all of a shift to train, be treated like high-demand, difficult to replace, skilled labor.[/quote]
The original use of unions IMO was great. The got better working conditions and good pay. Now the Government and the courts keep the working conditions up. My issue with unions is the thug tactics used to extort higher pay. If you are being under paid find a new job that will pay you more. Most of the people IMO are over paid for what they do, and that is why they join the union. There is no other way to get paid more. If they loose their job their pay gets dropped by 50%. When a person wants to work while the union is on strick that is their perogative. The unions are using tactics reminisent of the Mob.
Please correct me if my math sucks as much as your memory Unemployment is at 10% and that number is 8.4 mil. so there must be 84 million jobs in America and Reagan created 25% of them , That is fucking amazing.
You know Zeb if Obama’s recession is in fact worst then the one Reagan inherited then if it recovers we will be able to say Obama created 40,000,000 jobs
Does anyone know how many jobs Roosevelt created ? it has to be billions
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I’ve repeatedly said that the jobs were created from the point Carter left office to the time Reagan hit his 7th year as President. Sure some of those were lost during Carter and regained during Reagan. that’s what you call going from a President who is clueless to one who has a good understanding of the private sector
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Carter was not clueless the worst thing he did was take the Shaw out of power , the best thing he did was approach the oil shortage , which Reagan undid pronto. Just think how far we would have been down the road to energy independence .
Regan did not have a good understanding of the Private sector , He was just anti union ,
Had Reagan had a good understanding of the private sector he would not have thrown the baby out with the bath water, Meaning he would have kept the Steel industry intact and forced it to compete . So he threw away all the jobs the tax revenue that the employees and the companies paid. And he put all the towns on welfare . That is true Business Savy :)[/quote]
I want to know what you mean by “forcing the steel industry to compete”. Be very specific.[/quote]
Gradually opening the door to steel imports, not swinging them open so the price of steel collapse , fuck you be specific what you want me to answer
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
…Losing a major tax revenue…
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Lol, you’re ignoring that tax revenues doubled under his administration. Now, if you’ll also please answer my earlier question about how he could “force the steel industry to compete.”[/quote]
Try not to overload Pit with facts, he really doesn’t like that. It gets in the way of his raw hatred for (drum roll please) THE GREATEST MODERN DAY PRESIDENT - RONALD WILSON REAGAN.
;)[/quote]
Don’t over load Pit with your stupidity, I may have some small facts wrong but i don’t believe everything I am told . Ronald Reagan did NOT create 20,000,000 jobs there were probably NOT 20,000,000 workers available to do the said 20,000,000 jobs
Where are these 20,000,000 jobs , that is approx. 50,000 a state .You avoid answering the question and insinuate any one that disagrees with you is out of touch or ignoring logic . I contend it is your defense so you do not have to answer the question[/quote]
"For starters, let’s remember what things were like when Reagan took over. In 1980, inflation was running at 13.5 percent, the prime lending rate stood at 21.5 percent, unemployment and poverty were rising, real income and productivit were falling, and real economic growth had ceased.
Enter Reagan, who implemented deep, across-the-board tax cuts, curbed Washington’s regulatory bureaucracy, and instituted sound monetary policies tha restrained inflation. The results: the largest peacetime economic boom in U.S. history and nearly 20 million net new jobs."
“In 1984, the economy grew by 6.8% in real terms, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the next 7 years, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989. Even with the Reagan tax cuts, total federal revenues doubled from 1980 to 1990, growing from $517.1 billion to $1,031 billion, or just over $1 trillion. In Reagan’s last budget year, fiscal 1989, the widely overballyhooed federal deficit had declined to $152.5 billion, about the same as a percent of GDP as in 1980, 2.9% compared to 2.8%.”
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The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.
You want me to believe an article titled rewriting the Reagan years , do you think everybody believes this shit.
Lets look at the 3rd OK that is the second article that said 20,000,000 jobs but no proof , do you expect me just to believe that 20,000. 000 jobs were created with out you saying where they were
Ok I read your articles tell me how you can justify the poverty Reagan created in the NOW RUST BELT. Look at that poverty and show me an equivalent of good that counters Reagans BAD[/quote]
The middle class is being split between the upper and lower classes. Those previous members with certain levels of educations in practical areas have been moving into the lower levels of the Upper Class. Those who think a high school diploma or a BA in English counts as an education are going to be part of the lower classes. In the not too far future only certain skilled tradesmen will remain in the middle class.
Theres no logic in paying a barely educated person 50k a year, none.[/quote]
barley educated people don’t make 50 k and I have stated in the past that Unions did get to powerful. But because Business being what it is ( an animal that exploits weakness) you need some faction to combat their power. In the interest of the wealthy it would be to their advantage for the population to believe the free market will work everything out . And it will work out to the wealthy’s advantage
He was the worst President , no other President is guilty of decimating an entire Industry ,Losing a major tax revenue and putting hundreds of thousands of people on welfare . [/quote]
Obama is working on this one. The offshore moritorium is decimating the Gulf Coast. People’s jobs are being sent overseas. Oil companies are sending their drilling rigs to Egypt, Brazil, and many other places. Why is Obama doing this I have no clue. The moritorium is not only hurting Oil Companies, it is hurting Travel Companies, restaurants, hotels, hospitality companies, and one I find very amuzing strip clubs. This moritorium is going to hurt us worse than the steel industry ever did.[/quote]
He was the worst President , no other President is guilty of decimating an entire Industry[/quote]
I don’t care what your Aunt Kate told you Pitsky, Reagan didn’t do that. We moved from an industrialized economy to an information economy. There were casualties in that economic shift.
No you have not quit trying. This very post demonstrates that you are still spouting your anit-Reagan hate propaganda.
Several posts back I gave you a multitude of reasons why Reagan was not only a good President, but perhaps the best modern day President. To date you have not been able to refute even one of those reasons. But you have been sounding off emotionally since then. This shows everyone who has been reading the thread that you are more or less full of it regarding Ronald Reagan (did I tell you he was the greatest modern day President?). As a child/young adult you had your mind twisted. Family members told you he was no good and that was that. Unions are great, welfare is just money well spent. Homosexuals should be married. Health care is a (boo hoo) God given right (hey if health care is a God given right, tell me is having a free place to live one also? Seems it’s just as important)
You had no chance, as a kid you heard some crazy crap and unfortunately it went down without even a swallow - - I get it, I get it.
You are the one who made the Hinckly remark, not me. That was loathsome, and you actually surprised me with that as I thought you’d be above it. This just confirms your irrational hate for the greatest mondern day President- Ronald Wilson Reagan!
You do have it wrong- The most arrogant man on the planet is Barack Obama, and the general public is starting to find that out. The voter remorse is in full swing right now. I wish I had a buck for everyone of my middle of the road friends who said “you were right man, this guy is bad for the country.” His poll numbers are at a new all time low.
As for Beck, they called him crazy when he said there would be “death panels,” but low and behold, what do we have now? An agency being created (in liu of NHC) to determine whether or not a senior should continue to recieve a certain drugs (in order to save his life). Uh huh - -keep trusting big brother Pit, they’d never lie to you, hand them more power, go ahead, they’ll take good care of you.
Fortunately, Obama is doing a great deal of good - - for the republican party! LOL- Wait till you see the outcome of the November elections. I’ll call it right now. The House and Senate will go to the republicans. Obama, Pelosi and Reid scared the crap out of mainstream America.
Now go do some actual research on Ronald Reagan. If you were not so clouded with so much hate even you would see that Reagan was the greatest modern day President.
Remember he won 49 of 50 states in his reelection - in Obama’s world we’d have to say 49 of 57 sates. Anyway, they reelected him by such a wide margin because they appreciated the great job he did his first term. If he could have run for a 3rd term he would have won again.
I’m a student of Presidential history. I also give credit to democrats of the past as well. But in addition to this I was there buddy, I saw it, I lived it, he was the greatest![/quote]
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
…Losing a major tax revenue…
[/quote]
Lol, you’re ignoring that tax revenues doubled under his administration. Now, if you’ll also please answer my earlier question about how he could “force the steel industry to compete.”[/quote]
this is not true , unless like Zeb you believe everything that Reagan did was good . I have found links stating it did in fact double , and that it is a myth that it doubled , that there
were modest increases in revenue . The info is all over the place
Where are these 20,000,000 jobs , that is approx. 50,000 a state .You avoid answering the question and insinuate any one that disagrees with you is out of touch or ignoring logic . I contend it is your defense so you do not have to answer the question[/quote]
"For starters, let’s remember what things were like when Reagan took over. In 1980, inflation was running at 13.5 percent, the prime lending rate stood at 21.5 percent, unemployment and poverty were rising, real income and productivit were falling, and real economic growth had ceased.
Enter Reagan, who implemented deep, across-the-board tax cuts, curbed Washington’s regulatory bureaucracy, and instituted sound monetary policies tha restrained inflation. The results: the largest peacetime economic boom in U.S. history and nearly 20 million net new jobs."
“In 1984, the economy grew by 6.8% in real terms, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the next 7 years, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989. Even with the Reagan tax cuts, total federal revenues doubled from 1980 to 1990, growing from $517.1 billion to $1,031 billion, or just over $1 trillion. In Reagan’s last budget year, fiscal 1989, the widely overballyhooed federal deficit had declined to $152.5 billion, about the same as a percent of GDP as in 1980, 2.9% compared to 2.8%.”
[/quote]
The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.
You want me to believe an article titled rewriting the Reagan years , do you think everybody believes this shit.
Lets look at the 3rd OK that is the second article that said 20,000,000 jobs but no proof , do you expect me just to believe that 20,000. 000 jobs were created with out you saying where they were
Ok I read your articles tell me how you can justify the poverty Reagan created in the NOW RUST BELT. Look at that poverty and show me an equivalent of good that counters Reagans BAD[/quote]
The middle class is being split between the upper and lower classes. Those previous members with certain levels of educations in practical areas have been moving into the lower levels of the Upper Class. Those who think a high school diploma or a BA in English counts as an education are going to be part of the lower classes. In the not too far future only certain skilled tradesmen will remain in the middle class.
Theres no logic in paying a barely educated person 50k a year, none.[/quote]
barley educated people don’t make 50 k and I have stated in the past that Unions did get to powerful. But because Business being what it is ( an animal that exploits weakness) you need some faction to combat their power. In the interest of the wealthy it would be to their advantage for the population to believe the free market will work everything out . And it will work out to the wealthy’s advantage [/quote]
UAW base wages are around $28/hour which equals $58, 240 and does not include any shift differential, overtime etc. Benefit costs add around another $25-30/hour and yes these people are barely educated.
He was the worst President , no other President is guilty of decimating an entire Industry[/quote]
I don’t care what your Aunt Kate told you Pitsky, Reagan didn’t do that. We moved from an industrialized economy to an information economy. There were casualties in that economic shift.
No you have not quit trying. This very post demonstrates that you are still spouting your anit-Reagan hate propaganda.
Several posts back I gave you a multitude of reasons why Reagan was not only a good President, but perhaps the best modern day President. To date you have not been able to refute even one of those reasons. But you have been sounding off emotionally since then. This shows everyone who has been reading the thread that you are more or less full of it regarding Ronald Reagan (did I tell you he was the greatest modern day President?). As a child/young adult you had your mind twisted. Family members told you he was no good and that was that. Unions are great, welfare is just money well spent. Homosexuals should be married. Health care is a (boo hoo) God given right (hey if health care is a God given right, tell me is having a free place to live one also? Seems it’s just as important)
You had no chance, as a kid you heard some crazy crap and unfortunately it went down without even a swallow - - I get it, I get it.
You are the one who made the Hinckly remark, not me. That was loathsome, and you actually surprised me with that as I thought you’d be above it. This just confirms your irrational hate for the greatest mondern day President- Ronald Wilson Reagan!
You do have it wrong- The most arrogant man on the planet is Barack Obama, and the general public is starting to find that out. The voter remorse is in full swing right now. I wish I had a buck for everyone of my middle of the road friends who said “you were right man, this guy is bad for the country.” His poll numbers are at a new all time low.
As for Beck, they called him crazy when he said there would be “death panels,” but low and behold, what do we have now? An agency being created (in liu of NHC) to determine whether or not a senior should continue to recieve a certain drugs (in order to save his life). Uh huh - -keep trusting big brother Pit, they’d never lie to you, hand them more power, go ahead, they’ll take good care of you.
Fortunately, Obama is doing a great deal of good - - for the republican party! LOL- Wait till you see the outcome of the November elections. I’ll call it right now. The House and Senate will go to the republicans. Obama, Pelosi and Reid scared the crap out of mainstream America.
Now go do some actual research on Ronald Reagan. If you were not so clouded with so much hate even you would see that Reagan was the greatest modern day President.
Remember he won 49 of 50 states in his reelection - in Obama’s world we’d have to say 49 of 57 sates. Anyway, they reelected him by such a wide margin because they appreciated the great job he did his first term. If he could have run for a 3rd term he would have won again.
I’m a student of Presidential history. I also give credit to democrats of the past as well. But in addition to this I was there buddy, I saw it, I lived it, he was the greatest![/quote]
Thanks for your reply :)[/quote]
You are very welcome. If you ever want another Presidential history lesson on Ronald Wilson Reagan (the greatest modern day President) just let me know.
Check the US treasury web site (unless you think that they’re biased). They sort of agree with Lanky. Why do you continue this nonsense. You can hate someone for no reason, it’s okay, it’s about emotion, not facts.
Reagan was anti union and your family were all union and thus you hated and continue to hate Reagan. We get, we get it.
You are very welcome. If you ever want another Presidential history lesson on Ronald Wilson Reagan (the greatest modern day President) just let me know.
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ZEBU
You still continue to ignore facts it is impossible that Reagan created 20,000,000 jobs .
You also continue to not communicate , Reagan created a huge path running from PA to MICH. cost hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs , costing the American Tax payer trillions of dollars in Welfare payments and lost tax revenue . And continue the revisionist version of Reagan, what can I say .
If you are in fact older than I you should remember all the mothers going to work from the mid 60s to the mid 70s . that had to be the largest period of job growth
Please continue to espouse your myths . I will continue to tell the truth
Please correct me if my math sucks as much as your memory Unemployment is at 10% and that number is 8.4 mil. so there must be 84 million jobs in America and Reagan created 25% of them , That is fucking amazing.
You know Zeb if Obama’s recession is in fact worst then the one Reagan inherited then if it recovers we will be able to say Obama created 40,000,000 jobs
Does anyone know how many jobs Roosevelt created ? it has to be billions
[/quote]
I’ve repeatedly said that the jobs were created from the point Carter left office to the time Reagan hit his 7th year as President. Sure some of those were lost during Carter and regained during Reagan. that’s what you call going from a President who is clueless to one who has a good understanding of the private sector
[/quote]
Carter was not clueless the worst thing he did was take the Shaw out of power , the best thing he did was approach the oil shortage , which Reagan undid pronto. Just think how far we would have been down the road to energy independence .
Regan did not have a good understanding of the Private sector , He was just anti union ,
Had Reagan had a good understanding of the private sector he would not have thrown the baby out with the bath water, Meaning he would have kept the Steel industry intact and forced it to compete . So he threw away all the jobs the tax revenue that the employees and the companies paid. And he put all the towns on welfare . That is true Business Savy :)[/quote]
I want to know what you mean by “forcing the steel industry to compete”. Be very specific.[/quote]
Gradually opening the door to steel imports, not swinging them open so the price of steel collapse , fuck you be specific what you want me to answer [/quote]
So you’d rather the industry died a slow death?
There was absolutely no way of saving the steel industry. The unions killed it.
I don’t care about education, per se, but NO SKILLED workers are not worth the amount UNIONS force the employers to pay.
I am not sticking up for raegan, I wasn’t around so anything I hear about him would be biased in some way. But I do know unions and iron workers and they died for the same reason GM and Chrysler got a bailout, the unions adding far too much cost to the product. Not only through inflated wages and benefits, but non valuadded workers and ridiculus fees and buyouts.
No president in resent history has acted strengthen our constitution and the principles on which it was founded no matter which propogandized source I read. That is the problem, it was written by men who have been there and done that. They saw how awful it can be and put measures in place to stop that machine, but like everey child we know better than our dad’s and drive the vette off the cliff.
No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.[/quote]
This explains your emotion regarding the steel towns drying up.
[quote] I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students
In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.
Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan di.He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered [/quote]
Sorry you had to go through such economic devastation. However, I doubt it was Reagan’s fault. As I said steel was on the way down when the Gipper took over. As for the Unions, they have indeed devastated America. I wish Reagan would have ripped the heart out of every union in America. We would have had a better country today.
-Pension
-Wages
-Benefits
I can’t think of a single positive thing that unions have done. And they are still on the rampage. They will be reaching with both hands out until we have nothing left.
Older than you-
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I personally did fine coming out of the Steel Valley, I actually did better than if I had stayed , my health is better , I am sure .
The Mills were doing great , It was clearly Reagan’s Anti Union Policies that were the demise of the steel industry.
Your feelings about Unions are stupid, We would have had no Auto workers GM, Ford , Chrysler would have all been out of business, Another half a MILLION high paying jobs would have been gone . And we could still be supporting those communities with welfare
I read you article and you failed to tell me the upside to Reagan’s catastrophic bungling of America’s future economy .
Where are those jobs ? [/quote]
This post may take the cake as the stupidest post in this thread (the other Top 5, coincidentally, also belong to pitbull). For emphasis:
The irony is so thick I can’t see my computer screen.
Please correct me if my math sucks as much as your memory Unemployment is at 10% and that number is 8.4 mil. so there must be 84 million jobs in America and Reagan created 25% of them , That is fucking amazing.
You know Zeb if Obama’s recession is in fact worst then the one Reagan inherited then if it recovers we will be able to say Obama created 40,000,000 jobs
Does anyone know how many jobs Roosevelt created ? it has to be billions
[/quote]
I’ve repeatedly said that the jobs were created from the point Carter left office to the time Reagan hit his 7th year as President. Sure some of those were lost during Carter and regained during Reagan. that’s what you call going from a President who is clueless to one who has a good understanding of the private sector
[/quote]
Carter was not clueless the worst thing he did was take the Shaw out of power , the best thing he did was approach the oil shortage , which Reagan undid pronto. Just think how far we would have been down the road to energy independence .
Regan did not have a good understanding of the Private sector , He was just anti union ,
Had Reagan had a good understanding of the private sector he would not have thrown the baby out with the bath water, Meaning he would have kept the Steel industry intact and forced it to compete . So he threw away all the jobs the tax revenue that the employees and the companies paid. And he put all the towns on welfare . That is true Business Savy :)[/quote]
I want to know what you mean by “forcing the steel industry to compete”. Be very specific.[/quote]
Gradually opening the door to steel imports, not swinging them open so the price of steel collapse , fuck you be specific what you want me to answer [/quote]
So you’d rather the industry died a slow death?
There was absolutely no way of saving the steel industry. The unions killed it.
I don’t care about education, per se, but NO SKILLED workers are not worth the amount UNIONS force the employers to pay. [/quote]
I do not believed it would have died , it may have got pruned but not decimated, Your opinion on the worth of labor is just that (YOUR OPINION)
No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.[/quote]
This explains your emotion regarding the steel towns drying up.
[quote] I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students
In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.
Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan di.He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered [/quote]
Sorry you had to go through such economic devastation. However, I doubt it was Reagan’s fault. As I said steel was on the way down when the Gipper took over. As for the Unions, they have indeed devastated America. I wish Reagan would have ripped the heart out of every union in America. We would have had a better country today.
-Pension
-Wages
-Benefits
I can’t think of a single positive thing that unions have done. And they are still on the rampage. They will be reaching with both hands out until we have nothing left.
Older than you-
[/quote]
I personally did fine coming out of the Steel Valley, I actually did better than if I had stayed , my health is better , I am sure .
The Mills were doing great , It was clearly Reagan’s Anti Union Policies that were the demise of the steel industry.
Your feelings about Unions are stupid, We would have had no Auto workers GM, Ford , Chrysler would have all been out of business, Another half a MILLION high paying jobs would have been gone . And we could still be supporting those communities with welfare
I read you article and you failed to tell me the upside to Reagan’s catastrophic bungling of America’s future economy .
Where are those jobs ? [/quote]
This post may take the cake as the stupidest post in this thread (the other Top 5, coincidentally, also belong to pitbull). For emphasis:
The irony is so thick I can’t see my computer screen.[/quote]
I am not sticking up for raegan, I wasn’t around so anything I hear about him would be biased in some way. But I do know unions and iron workers and they died for the same reason GM and Chrysler got a bailout, the unions adding far too much cost to the product. Not only through inflated wages and benefits, but non valuadded workers and ridiculus fees and buyouts.
No president in resent history has acted strengthen our constitution and the principles on which it was founded no matter which propogandized source I read. That is the problem, it was written by men who have been there and done that. They saw how awful it can be and put measures in place to stop that machine, but like everey child we know better than our dad’s and drive the vette off the cliff. [/quote]
I personally feel the unions out lived their purpose , The Unions became ineffective after the Mafia died . But they served a purpose putting ruthless business owners in their place in our history. Now we have labor laws .
Please correct me if my math sucks as much as your memory Unemployment is at 10% and that number is 8.4 mil. so there must be 84 million jobs in America and Reagan created 25% of them , That is fucking amazing.
You know Zeb if Obama’s recession is in fact worst then the one Reagan inherited then if it recovers we will be able to say Obama created 40,000,000 jobs
Does anyone know how many jobs Roosevelt created ? it has to be billions
[/quote]
I’ve repeatedly said that the jobs were created from the point Carter left office to the time Reagan hit his 7th year as President. Sure some of those were lost during Carter and regained during Reagan. that’s what you call going from a President who is clueless to one who has a good understanding of the private sector
[/quote]
Carter was not clueless the worst thing he did was take the Shaw out of power , the best thing he did was approach the oil shortage , which Reagan undid pronto. Just think how far we would have been down the road to energy independence .
Regan did not have a good understanding of the Private sector , He was just anti union ,
Had Reagan had a good understanding of the private sector he would not have thrown the baby out with the bath water, Meaning he would have kept the Steel industry intact and forced it to compete . So he threw away all the jobs the tax revenue that the employees and the companies paid. And he put all the towns on welfare . That is true Business Savy :)[/quote]
I want to know what you mean by “forcing the steel industry to compete”. Be very specific.[/quote]
Gradually opening the door to steel imports, not swinging them open so the price of steel collapse , fuck you be specific what you want me to answer [/quote]
So you’d rather the industry died a slow death?
There was absolutely no way of saving the steel industry. The unions killed it.
I don’t care about education, per se, but NO SKILLED workers are not worth the amount UNIONS force the employers to pay. [/quote]
I do not believed it would have died , it may have got pruned but not decimated, Your opinion on the worth of labor is just that (YOUR OPINION)
[/quote]
If that were the case, unions wouldn’t need to exist to artificially inflate the member’s wages. People could get paid just as much through regular free market competition. This doesn’t happen, scab employees are paid much lower than union workers. It isn’t my opinion, it’s a fact.
You are very welcome. If you ever want another Presidential history lesson on Ronald Wilson Reagan (the greatest modern day President) just let me know.
ZEBU
You still continue to ignore facts it is impossible that Reagan created 20,000,000 jobs .[/quote]
You’re a riot, but most entertaining when you denying the facts that I post from sources like the US Treasury, by claiming that I ignore facts. Do you see the irony? I post facts, and then you say (without posting facts) that I am ignoring the facts.
No really, it doesn’t get any better than that - -Thank you!
[quote]Please continue to espouse your myths . I will continue to tell the truth
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(nods head) Okay Pitskiy, I’ll continue to post the best information available from the US Treasury Department and you keep saying that they’re myths. That is the sort of thinking that can only harm you in the long run - You’re almost like a cranky old man, “dag nabit I don’t care what you say Reagan was no good dam it- Now get the hell off my lawn.”
Ha ha, you have no facts and are unale to refute the ones I post, yet you continue to say I’m wrong. Fingers in ears “Nu Uh.”
I do wonder where all of these people would be talking crazy if it were not for the Internet. I suppose it would be to their family members, close friends and others who hadto listen to them.
Unemployment is at 10% and that number is 8.4 mil. so there must be 84 million jobs in America and Reagan created 25% of them , That is fucking amazing.