Things like this don’t happen to people who are comfortable with their sexuality, the sexuality of others and are open and honest without the need to be rude aboout it.
Yeah right. I’m as secure as Fort Knox, and I get hit on a lot. One guy used to hang out with me started coming on to me, even after I told him I wasn’t into dudes, and I had a damn girlfriend! Hell, when he met me, I was engaged(to some psycho. Thank God I got out of that.) He eventually pretty much started stalking me. So I filed a harassment report and quietly waited for an opportunity to kick the Hell out of him, but he eventually left me alone.
Thing was, he didn’t tell me he was gay at first, and he’s not one of the stereotypical fairy-types. That in itself wasn’t cool. “Sooooo, this whole time we’ve been chillin’, BS’n and whatnot, you’ve secretely wanted to ream me out? Not kewl.”[/quote]
LOL.
Bob: “Good afternoon. My name is Bob and I too have been hit on by a gay dude.”
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Kasomak wrote:
well smartbulldog seemed very concerned about serving his nation with someone who was gay. so yes, i would like an explaination as to why the military decided that it would not allow homosexuals to join.
Smartbulldog said that Marines are uncomfortable living, sleeping, showering, shitting, etc. with men who might entertain sexual thoughts about them. Now keep in mind that the purpose of the Marine Coprs is to conduct important and dangerous military operations, not to serve as a bastion of political correctness. And, whether it’s right or not, the presence of homosexuals could potentially be very distruptive. In combat situations concerning national and international security, it’s far more important to protect the cohesiveness and efficiency of the group than it is to observe the rights of gays to serve in the military.[/quote]
It’s not about political correctness, it’s about fairness and equality. Who gives a fuck if they are gay or not? If you don’t want gay men to stare at your cock in the open showers, perhaps the military should have individual showers. The same goes with “shitting” with each other (whatever that means).
I’m personally extremely comfortable with gays being an actor, having gone to a performing arts HS and college, and growing up in Chelsea in NYC, I still would feel uncomfortable looking at another dude shitting while I was too or even showering next to another one. So maybe if these guys who are so uncomfortable with being near gay men changed the circumstances so they weren’t so homoerotic, there wouldn’t be issues.
It’s like a goddman bodybuilder who is tanned, shaved and wearing a speedo worrying that another competitor might be gay and looking at him. It’s homoerotic enough by itself!
Bob: “Good afternoon. My name is Bob and I too have been hit on by a gay dude.”
Group: “Hi Bob!”
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LOL. No shit! I get a bunch o’ crap about it at work. It was a running joke for a while. I get more than my share, thogh. It’s slowed down a bit since I got married, but even so, I have heard rumors that it’s a “sham.” Pretty expensive and inconvenient sham if you ask me.
perhaps I worded it wrong or wasn’t clear, my point was that thing like his issue do not happen when you are upfront, open and honest, or if/when they do, they are handled maturely and easily settled and put aside.
If the gay man who hit on him could not take the hint or the rejection, continued to hit on Belligerent or otherwise harrassed him, it would not be due to him being a gay man but due to him being a disrespectful man and perhaps any other number of things.
Point is gay / straight, guy / girl it doesn’t matter if people communicate openly and honestly and respect each other.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Kasomak wrote:
well smartbulldog seemed very concerned about serving his nation with someone who was gay. so yes, i would like an explaination as to why the military decided that it would not allow homosexuals to join.
Smartbulldog said that Marines are uncomfortable living, sleeping, showering, shitting, etc. with men who might entertain sexual thoughts about them. Now keep in mind that the purpose of the Marine Coprs is to conduct important and dangerous military operations, not to serve as a bastion of political correctness. And, whether it’s right or not, the presence of homosexuals could potentially be very distruptive. In combat situations concerning national and international security, it’s far more important to protect the cohesiveness and efficiency of the group than it is to observe the rights of gays to serve in the military.[/quote]
But, but, but I thought marines were tough grownup men that could take care of themselves…
Apparently they freeze under stress if someone might have looked at their penis , having impure thoughts…
From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli, unless some dude has watched me sho-wer, now I need psychotherapy…
This is the dumbest argument ever. Anyone who wants to put their life on the line to protect this country should be able to. I see some merit to the argument that others in the miltary might be uncomfortable. But not the gays aren’t as good soldiers. Not with this retarded Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy and the thousands of undercover gays in the military. It should either be ‘No gays’ or ‘Gays allowed’. ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ is asinine.
[quote]smartbulldog wrote:
When he entered the Marine Corps he took an oath. His current conduct violates that oath and is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Furthermore, it lends credence to the suspicion that he lied to gain entrance into the Marine Corps, thus committing fraudulent enlistment, a separate punishable act. Most Marines find his conduct repugnant, and prejudicial to the good order and discipline of his command. I can assure you his Staff Judge Advocate’s office will act accordingly, and pursue an administrative separation of this individual once informed. Contact me privately, if you want more information.
With over 15 years in the Marine Corps, I can honestly tell you that nothing causes more dissension in the ranks than a faggot or a barracks thief. Neither are trusted by their brethren, because their brethren know they secretly want to screw them. When we find either the faggot or thief we immediately segregate them from their peers for their own safety. This is the most military of all our military organizations, and by mission, is a very close society. You eat, shit, bleed, and die together. No one wants to do that with someone you don’t trust. [/quote]
You Marines crack me up sometimes. Equating a gay guy to a barracks thief? Are you kidding? Your points about gays in the Marines sounds an awful lot like what was being said about blacks in the military about 65 years ago. Get off your tough Marine horse and recognize that gays can be just as professional as anyone else. Your straight brethren can be fucking your wife when you’re not at home, and don’t pretend that doesn’t happen in the Corps.
Heh, marines always crack me up. Live in a berthing with or near the marines and you will understand exactly how much irony there is in a marine hating homosexuals.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
This is the dumbest argument ever. Anyone who wants to put their life on the line to protect this country should be able to. I see some merit to the argument that others in the miltary might be uncomfortable. But not the gays aren’t as good soldiers. Not with this retarded Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy and the thousands of undercover gays in the military. It should either be ‘No gays’ or ‘Gays allowed’. ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ is asinine. [/quote]
From what I’ve seen, anyone who thinks that homosexuals don’t make up a decent portion of the armed services is either completely blind or a total dumbass. I personally wouldn’t want to stop someone from serving this country based on who they sleep with.
At least if one of your fellow Marines was a gay, and you knew you were about to be blown to shit, there would be someone whose butt you could put it in.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
I’m all for just letting them do their job in the civilian world where your life doesn’t depend on it. Let homos do what they do. But I can’t help but think that the military is different.
Ask yourself this:
Do you really want to possibly be dodging bullets with and depending on that person to help keep you alive when they take it in the shitter?
Come on! If you’re a straight dude, there is no way in hell you’d say yes to that. [/quote]
As a straight guy who served for 12 years, I can honestly say that when I was younger, I shared this view, but as I once I passed about 28 years old, I became wiser and realized that it shouldn’t make a difference. I think tolerance for others and their abilities is part of the maturation process - a part that too few people seem to make it through. I’m not claiming to be “enlightened” (whatever that means), mind you, but I think if someone truly wants to serve the country, why hold them back because they prefer to mix juices with their own gender? Shouldn’t there be more pressing issues in the military?
How is the fear of constantly being hit on rational in light of the fact that women in the military deal with this routinely? Then again, it wasn’t that long ago that the military was denying the services of blacks and women for the very same reasons (sorry to repeat this from another post, but it bears repeating).
The fact is that I served with many incompetent straight men that I would rather have replaced with competent women or gay men. If you still have such a problem with gays in the military, create a separate unit for gays. I would bet they would end up being an elite unit because they would want to prove themselves to the world.
Wow, political correctness at its best… typical liberal thoughts. I dont see any problem in them deciding who can and who cannot join the marines or military. Nobody is talking about black and white, so whoever uses that as an argument is weak. I dont see why its wrong to limit or say no to gays, shouldnt they be doing paintings or art or something? No offense I think the marine or military should be allowed to make their own rules, their is a difference in general between men and women as soldiers, as in men are physically stronger than women, and that is what is of the utmost importance. I am kind of old fashioned in thought because I think its bad enough to watch a fellow man die, but I dont think I could stand to see a woman die. Maybe the faggots could be used as a distraction… hahahaha catch the enemies off guard!!
[quote]apayne wrote:
At least if one of your fellow Marines was a gay, and you knew you were about to be blown to shit, there would be someone whose butt you could put it in.[/quote]
[quote]smartbulldog wrote:
When he entered the Marine Corps he took an oath. His current conduct violates that oath and is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Furthermore, it lends credence to the suspicion that he lied to gain entrance into the Marine Corps, thus committing fraudulent enlistment, a separate punishable act. Most Marines find his conduct repugnant, and prejudicial to the good order and discipline of his command. I can assure you his Staff Judge Advocate’s office will act accordingly, and pursue an administrative separation of this individual once informed. Contact me privately, if you want more information.
With over 15 years in the Marine Corps, I can honestly tell you that nothing causes more dissension in the ranks than a faggot or a barracks thief. Neither are trusted by their brethren, because their brethren know they secretly want to screw them. When we find either the faggot or thief we immediately segregate them from their peers for their own safety. This is the most military of all our military organizations, and by mission, is a very close society. You eat, shit, bleed, and die together. No one wants to do that with someone you don’t trust. [/quote]
Wow, you’re a loathsome moron.
It would be almost impossible to draw a straight line between this kind of attitude and the war crimes our soldiers are being accused of more and more every day.
Forget homosexuals…I don’t think anyone wants to screw you that hasn’t gotten paid for it.
[quote]mike08042 wrote:
Wow, political correctness at its best… typical liberal thoughts. I dont see any problem in them deciding who can and who cannot join the marines or military. Nobody is talking about black and white, so whoever uses that as an argument is weak. I dont see why its wrong to limit or say no to gays, shouldnt they be doing paintings or art or something? No offense I think the marine or military should be allowed to make their own rules, their is a difference in general between men and women as soldiers, as in men are physically stronger than women, and that is what is of the utmost importance. I am kind of old fashioned in thought because I think its bad enough to watch a fellow man die, but I dont think I could stand to see a woman die. Maybe the faggots could be used as a distraction… hahahaha catch the enemies off guard!! [/quote]
And yours are typical ultra conservative thoughts. I don’t see what that statement has to do with anything.
And the military is not a private organization. It is a part of the government and recieves government funding. Such is the same with the Boy Scouts which is why they should not be excluding gays and atheists. Do whatever you want in a private orginazation (doesnt mean I like it) but not with my money.
And it sounds like you are implying that gays are not physically or mentally strong. If you are ever in NYC, go visit Steel Gym or even David Barton Gym and I guarantee you at least 60% of the “fags” there will be bigger and stronger than you.
[quote]smartbulldog wrote:
When he entered the Marine Corps he took an oath. His current conduct violates that oath and is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Furthermore, it lends credence to the suspicion that he lied to gain entrance into the Marine Corps, thus committing fraudulent enlistment, a separate punishable act. Most Marines find his conduct repugnant, and prejudicial to the good order and discipline of his command. I can assure you his Staff Judge Advocate’s office will act accordingly, and pursue an administrative separation of this individual once informed. Contact me privately, if you want more information.
With over 15 years in the Marine Corps, I can honestly tell you that nothing causes more dissension in the ranks than a faggot or a barracks thief. Neither are trusted by their brethren, because their brethren know they secretly want to screw them. When we find either the faggot or thief we immediately segregate them from their peers for their own safety. This is the most military of all our military organizations, and by mission, is a very close society. You eat, shit, bleed, and die together. No one wants to do that with someone you don’t trust. [/quote]
Wow! I thought one of the military’s missions was to fight intolerance, not to support it.
In fact, I find leaders who support such intolerant and radical views often cause more discension than a theif or “faggot” as you like to call them.
I’m Gay. I was in the RAF. When I decided I wanted to be gay more than stay in the military I told them and they asked me to leave. (Services no longer required due circumstances beyond his control!)
I loved the RAF, I’d do it again in a heartbeat. I was in the Gulf (The real one run by George Bush Senior) and the camraderie was like nothing else. I don’t think “Faggots” are the type of people who join up. Whilst in I was 5’10" 220lbs and about 10% fat. I played for the RAF Rugby team and represented the RAF many times. I don’t look like a “Faggot” in fact ordinary fold would probably cross the road when they saw me coming.
All that said my “Gaydar” worked only twice during my 6 years in and that was with folks who weren’t too sure about there own sexual identity. For me I just didn’t shit in my own backyard. I did it in my hometown.
I agree with some of the comments above in that the majority of people I’ve seen who seem not to understand this isn’t a choice for me seem not to be to comfortable with their own and like to judge others before looking at themselves. Do you think I didn’t pray to God to not make me gay? My father’s a mechanic and there’s no one else in my family like me. I wasn’t abused, I just am what I am.
Point being, take it as a compliment, tell him to take it off and that he’s upset you. You’ll grow from it & so will he. Frankly anyone who’s prepared to offer up their life for their country deserves credit whatever their sexuallity. I mean it was still the case in WW2 that african americans had to work in the galley isn’t it? Now look how we’ve all grown up!
Anyway, now you know how a girl feels when you throw yourself at her trying for pussy. It’s not the same when you get it done to you is it!
[quote]mike08042 wrote:
their is a difference in general between men and women as soldiers, as in men are physically stronger than women, and that is what is of the utmost importance. [/quote]
I would have just dismissed your entire post as a joke, except this line above is so patently wrong in today’s warfighting that I felt I had to comment. Individual physical strength was very important when hand-to-hand combat was the norm (or when giving a gay soldier a code red). As an aside, you may want to read up on Joan of Arc. It isn’t on today’s battlefield. What counts most is bravery and decision-making skills under duress. Attention-to-detail is often overlooked, but extremely important as well. Show me how a straight man is any better than anyone else in that regard.
You might be able to argue that a man might commands more respect due to physical stature, but I’ve also seen women commanders who could make most soldiers anuses pucker just as well.
I once knew a guy who was a helicopter pilot in the Navy. Brilliant guy - engineering degree from the Naval academy, then went on to graduate studies at Yale. I asked him what he thought about allowing gays in the military. He told me that when he was flying his helicopter over the North Atlantic in the middle of winter, 100 some miles away from his carrier, with the water temperature right around freezing, he didn’t really care whether the mechanic who worked on his helicopter was gay, straight, or liked sheep. All he cared about was whether he was a good mechanic.