Repeal of the ACA: Confused!

LOL! Oh my… This should make your husband very happy…:laughing:

True. And even as we speak, I think it’s being pushed too far to the (for lack of a better term) ‘un-PC’ side. (Although I suspect you would strongly disagree.) C’est la vie.

Hey now! I was thinking of a barbell! Everything about this hobby sounds dirty.

Just basic civility or courtesy. Being able to just listen with an intent to understand. Trying to be a peacemaker. I think you’re right, and I have a long way to go myself. I sometimes fail spectacularly. I did let my Dem friend rant about the state of things in the car the other day, and I just listened and agreed with her when I could. I didn’t even imagine throwing a shark, not once.

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Sorry for the delayed response I said I would give.

Oftentimes my criticism of the federal government being too large and too over-involved is seen by right-wingers as a branch from a tree of anti-government philosophy. In my case, that is not true. My main problem is that the mission creep of the federal government has made the federal government terrible at the very important job we need to do and do well. The federal government currently constituted tries to do everything and winds up doing nothing very well.

In that sense, I’m a federalist, not a libertarian. I don’t think government is bad, but I do think it needs to be limited.

And I think our inability to make progress on legitimate national issues is tied to the problem of mission creep - we live in a world of limited resources, and with so many non-national issues being managed at the federal level, proper time and attention aren’t given to what matters.

Some of this is naturally ideological - there are and should be restrictions on government that aren’t simply practical due to lack of resources, and I’m not suggesting to the contrary.

But after 8 years of an Obama administration hoping to nano-manage the affairs of Americans, we’re due for a course correction from both parties.

(I am reminded when the Obama administration, through the DOA and Secretary Vilsack, attempted to institute obnoxioud restrictions on whether and how young people could work on farms. It included restrictions on young people working above six feet - you know, in a barn loft.)

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Puff, I am pretty sure your the least offensive person I know…

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Surely you jest? Surely?

Even though we disagree on quite a lot, on this I would give 100% agreement. The rejection of lock-step identity politics and burdensome pettifoggery in speech should not mean tweeting gas chamber memes to Jews, or alt-right dog-whistle racism.

But hey, we should never let one bad idea failing stop us from putting an equally terrible one in its place.

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Noun 1. pettifoggery - a quarrel about petty points

My word for the day. Thanks.

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You are very welcome.

I am being nit picky here, but if your aligning your self with political parties of early America, the statement above would make you the party of Jefferson, I.E. Republican. Federalists were very much in favor of a large, powerful Executive and concentrated power in the Government. They were not for limited government, but expansive. Of course you had your more conservative Federalists like Washington and less so Adams. But then you had the Hamiltonian’s who wanted an all powerful, mighty government. “The government that governs best, governs least” was a Republican mantra in the 18th and early 19th centuries.
Like I said, I am being nit picky…

There has been no shortage of bad behavior from both sides of the spectrum. Anti-trump protests turning violent, pro-trump people harassing the innocent. Fortunately this seems to be dying down. And at least two anti-trump allegations, one in NY the other in AK, have been proven flukes.
If I have to hear another celebrity make a political statement, I might puke. I don’t think they have figured out, nobody cares what they think because they show their asses on the big screen in silly suits shooting each other with imaginary finger power or laser beams.
Most of us normal people want no part of any of that non-sense.

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LOL… Sounds like a question on the SAT.

I wish I was joking. And that’s just one example.

That’s the wrong answer. You’re supposed to say, “I do not jest and don’t call me ‘Shirley’”

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To be clear, I wasn’t referring to the Federalist party - I was referring to little “f” federalist meaning someone who thinks federalism is a good thing. I have a pretty solid streak of Jeffersonian in me, but importantly, Jefferson’s Republicans were not interested in the limits on government for the same reasons modern Republicans are (“government is terrible, can’t do anything worthwhile, business needs to be liberated from it…”), and that generally goes the same for me.

Gotch ya…:+1:

This is a case in-point as posted by almightyC: PC does not bring out the best in people. In fact, it brings out the worst:

Thank you. That helps to understand where you’re coming from. And thanks for your kind words earlier, the feeling is mutual.

Agree. And this kind of thing just drives me WILD, as you might imagine.

Oh, thanks but politics can bring out the teeth, as you’ve seen. [quote=“pat, post:157, topic:224940, full:true”]
… brings out the worst:
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That was painful to watch.

The Repeal is moving full-steam ahead…the GOP ain’t messing around…

The Elephant in the Room?

Coming up with the alternatives.

If the GOP has any sense at all, they’ll bend over backwards to bring in some Democrats on an alternative.

In the meantime, here is an article that explains why the math of Obamacare was doomed to fail from the outset:

The Affordable Care Act was built on the shoddy and vain Boomer logic that young Americans serve as a generational Automatic Teller Machine for older Americans. Things that can’t go on forever, won’t.

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