I wonder, what type of degrees are we talking about here? I’m not sure anyone’s measured that, but I definitely observe a lot of post-graduate degree holders leaning liberal.
https://www.uhs.wisc.edu/news/campus/mens-project/
I’m sure you will find many towering intellects involved with the “Men’s Project”, honed with many hours of post-graduate study.
Ya, our education system is broken in this country so I wouldn’t hang my hat on who has more of it.
Besides, having more education doesn’t mean anything in and of itself. A master plumber has almost no education compared to a genders studies Ph.D. Yet, one is actually useful and the other more than likely works for higher education teaching. Gender studies, of course…
My Gender Studies PHD is great for creating a safe space in the Ivory tower for me 
Other than meaning the person has more education, of course.
I’d say both are very useful, albeit in very different ways.
At any rate, I added the comment concerning the correlation between education and being a Democrat as a counterweight to the assertion, obviously intended to be belittling, that “Democrats are the very poor and the very rich, not the working man.”
Which doesn’t mean a lot in reality. Note, that doesn’t mean I believe it can’t mean a lot. Certainly, higher education has it’s place and can be extremely useful. However, in my experience, the vast majority of higher education is useless.
Given the opportunity, I’d change a significant portion of our education system.
I understood why you commented. I was just countering your counter. 
It boils down to one’s definition of ‘usefulness.’ I see much that is useful about (lower-case ‘l’) liberal-arts education, whereas some people see a trade-school model (defining ‘trade school’ very broadly to include things like med school, law school, etc) as being the only education worth having.
Me too. I’d make it significantly more ‘useless’ than it currently is. 
The state of colleges and PC culture in this day and age makes a college degree much-less an indicator of actual intellect. When you have trigger warning for anthropology students freaked out about skeletons, theology students trigger-warned about studying the Crucifixion, and other such absurdities. Colleges have become indoctrination chambers, rather than the exchange of of ideas based on fact.
I know dumb college graduates and smart non-college educated. The line is more blurred than ever.
Case in point, indoctrination in the guise of education. The inmates are running the asylum. Until the university systems stop being afraid of students and feel free to remove students who do not comply with standards of that institution, college is dead to me. And yes, I am college educated.
That is the standard conservative narrative, but I have seen no actual data to support it.
The liberal narrative would be to say “Google it”.
Well, sure. Years of indoctrination has an effect. I bet lots of people in gulags and reeducation camps came out as avowed communists.
Me, I went to MIT for engineering and Harvard for law. Got away as fast as I could, as cheaply as I could, taking 20 credits a semester and summer school because even MIT was a cesspool of liberalism (outside engineering/hard sciences).
I avoided indoctrination because I was religious, already a father, and gainfully employed the entire time and after, including fulfilling mandatory military service. Witnessing the overt and accepted antisemitism of the Left didn’t hurt, either.
Additionally, most colleges attract a fair amount of bon vivants who don’t want to (or can’t) leave the womb of college because they are not employable or under such a debt load they are stuck. So staying in higher education as long as possible is natural for Democrats who love titles, unearned honors, and avoiding real personal responsibility. (Exemplar A: Obama just gave himself some medal for service the the US military. What a joke.)
The combination of indoctrination and a safe-place womb is no doubt responsible for the higher education levels.
What I really mean is the usefulness of required coursework within a degree program. For example, someone set on getting a degree in accounting shouldn’t have to take an art-history class. IMO, probably half, if not more, of the 120 credit requirement for an undergraduate degree is filler. Hell, I’m finishing up a 30 credit grad program and probably half of that has been filler.
Everything has its place even Basket Weaving Ph.D programs.
It’s your argument; make it (or don’t) as you see fit. Just don’t expect me to take your word for it.
That’s quite the broad brush you’re painting with.
Yes, and it’s probably unfair to many.
But listening to John Kerry complain for 70 minutes about why my country needs to just go die at the hands of savages removed any tolerance I have towards the Left.
I grew up in Gush Katif. The house I grew up in and the farm my family built with our bare hands are now nothing but ashes and concrete foundations. The synagogue where I had my bar mitzvah was looted and destroyed. The beach where I surfed and played as a child is covered in barbed wire and land mines. I am done.
Don’t take my word for it. I will post links to support it. Here ya go:
I can post hundreds of articles and op-eds to support the premise. Its not something you can quantify with numbers, its sense, experience and the hope that the preponderance of information on the topic will put pressure on these academic organizations to change for the better.
I watched my own kid drink the kool-aid, hook, line and sinker despite the fact that I laid out to him exactly what was going to happen, how it was going to happen and how I much preferred that he examined the arguments on the merits and facts, none of it was able to withstand the pressure at his school. He takes the PC narrative, that to even question a proposed tenet is just to be shouted down with furious anger and ad hominem attacks and name calling.
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Me, I went to MIT for engineering and Harvard for law. Got away as fast as I could, as cheaply as I could, taking 20 credits a semester and summer school because even MIT was a cesspool of liberalism (outside engineering/hard sciences).
I avoided indoctrination because I was religious, already a father, and gainfully employed the entire time and after, including fulfilling mandatory military service.[/quote]
You were taking 20 credits/semester at MIT and Harvard Law while raising children, working, and fulfilling military service in/for another country?
Were you hitting the iron then, too?
This is beyond awesome, JB.
Amazing.
Congratulations.
Your last point is a little confusing.
Are you saying that anti-Semitism comes principally from the Left?
(If so…definitions of “Left” and “Right” certainly are “blurred”, at least in my mind).
(NOTE: On another thread; there was a debated question on the “proof” of “Jewish-ness” required by Israel. My thought that the “basic” requirement was the declaration. Do you mind clarifying the requirement?)
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G-d no!
Military service came first (along with marriage).
Then undergrad
Then military again
THEN law school
I was in the reserves for a long time after that, but that was no big deal.
(You get drafted when you get out of what would called high school here. Sorry for the temporal compression. Posting on an iPhone.)
Unfortunately (and as I’ve noted before), the plural of ‘anecdote’ is not ‘data.’
And with respect to the “hundreds of article and op-eds” written on the subject, I would point out that there’s a strong man-bites-dog effect going on here. That is, Op-Eds and articles entitled Higher-Ed Institution Doing Fine Job Presenting Controversial Subjects in a Balanced Fashion tend not to get published.
That’s quite a metaphor you’ve got there.
I have two children in college myself. It sounds like your son has a lot in common with mine. I’m confident mine (and very likely yours, if I may) will come out on the other side with a more nuanced understanding of the world.
