That is, without a doubt, the strangest tactic I have heard - when someone immediately squirts past security, assume they are legitimate.
Be serious.
this is assinine, and the comments from some of you whiny liberals is comical. I work on the hill, in the same building as Rep McKinney, walk through the same metal detectors and past the same police. First, a good portion of them are minority (not sure what the color of the officer in question is). These people have hundreds of retarded tourist who have never been through a metal detector in their life try and come through the building everyday. THey are worrying about those people, if some random congressman/woman wants to give them a hard time because they were not immediately recongized when not wearing their member pin then that person deserves what ever comes from it. The cap police are exceedinly nice and extremely lenient, and reconginize you 90% of the time…the one time they dont i am not going to get pissy about it and slug one and i honestly cant believe that any of the liberals in her are supporting that. Seriously. Lets not forget that these people are in swat gear with machine guns half the time…you know they mean business.
i’ll also add that staffers or others with congressmen, dont have to pass through metal detectors. Its entirely possible that without hte pin, the officer thought she was a staffer taking liberties skipping around the line of tourists.
Finally, none of the reports i have read have actually said where the incident took place. Was it inside the building she works in? Was it inside the Capitol? Was it in the tunnel underneath? THere are 50 or more checkpoints into the complex and depending on where she was (i.e. entering a building that wasnt her office building) it possible that the officer had never seen her before in his life, and entirely possible that they had not seen her with her new getup.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
She has a new hairstyle and looks different and younger. They showed the before and after pics on CNN.
I guess they all look alike?
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Yeah, thats it. Dumbass. She just had a makeover. She was wearing her hair in a graying bun and now she is wearing in a poofy hairstyle.
She is either wearing more makeup or she had some minor work done to her face. Take a look for the before and after photos. At first looks she does not look like the same person.
She has a history of provoking confrontations with security people.
She did the same thing at the Clinton White House.
Interesting, very interesting.
Damn I am proud to be a Georgian! The say she’s pathetic would give her to much credit. You should see the district she represents, Whores and crack dealers. Check cashing places and liquer stores with bars on the windows. I think most roaches would have more dignity than to live there.
She’s probably more of a racist than the cop is. She turns everything into an issue of race.
Me Solomon Grundy
If the woman hit a cop, as descibed, I’m not going to defend her, democrat or not. She deserves whatever legal punishment she’ll get.
If this is an issue that has been overblown as an excuse to make a scandal for the democrats, well somebody better lose their job for that too.
[quote]ExNole wrote:
If this is an issue that has been overblown as an excuse to make a scandal for the democrats, well somebody better lose their job for that too.[/quote]
This couldn’t possibly be a scandal for the Democrats - they won’t go near supporting McKinney. Democrats want no part of this nonsense, and smartly so.
I am torn on this issue.
On one hand, I understand how she felt watching her white counterparts go through day-to-day without having to be subjected to being stopped, regardless whether they had a pin or not, while she gets super-scrutinized every single day. There are very few black people in this country that don’t know how demeaning that feels. That kind of shit gets to you after a while.
On the other hand, the fact that she has been black in this country for 51 years and the shit she has had to go through while in Congress, not just from republicans, but from her own party no less, should let her know that she is not going to catch the same breaks as her white counterparts and she needs to CYA.
She can’t just get away with shooting someone in the face, delaying the police investigation and then getting the victim to apologize for being shot by them…oops, I mean she can’t get away with slapping a cop when they put their hands on her unexpectedly. Who does she think she is, Zza Zza Gabor? Even Zza Zza had to go downtown for a while and pay a minor fine for her release. Why would this woman expect to be treated any better?
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
I am torn on this issue.
On one hand, I understand how she felt watching her white counterparts go through day-to-day without having to be subjected to being stopped, regardless whether they had a pin or not, while she gets super-scrutinized every single day. There are very few black people in this country that don’t know how demeaning that feels. That kind of shit gets to you after a while.
On the other hand, the fact that she has been black in this country for 51 years and the shit she has had to go through while in Congress, not just from republicans, but from her own party no less, should let her know that she is not going to catch the same breaks as her white counterparts and she needs to CYA.
She can’t just get away with shooting someone in the face, delaying the police investigation and then getting the victim to apologize for being shot by them…oops, I mean she can’t get away with slapping a cop when they put their hands on her unexpectedly. Who does she think she is, Zza Zza Gabor? Even Zza Zza had to go downtown for a while and pay a minor fine for her release. Why would this woman expect to be treated any better?[/quote]
Your not torn at all.
Sounds like everyone gets checked if they don’t recognize them. Unless of course the Police Chief is lying too in a vast capitol hill conspiracy against her.
Capitol Police Chief Denies Racism Charge
Apr 05 8:48 AM US/Eastern
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By LAURIE KELLMAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON
U. S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said Wednesday that Rep. Cynthia McKinney turned an officer’s failure to recognize her into a criminal matter when she failed to stop at his request, and then struck him.
“He reached out and grabbed her and she turned around and hit him,” Gainer said on CNN. “Even the high and the haughty should be able to stop and say, ‘I’m a congressman’ and then everybody moves on.”
For her part, McKinney wasn’t backing down from the argument. She charged anew that racism is behind what she said is a pattern of difficulty in clearing Hill security checkpoints.
Gainer said that racism, however, was not a factor.
“I’ve seen our officers stop white members and black members, Latinos, male and females,” he told CNN. “It’s not an issue about what your race or gender is. It’s an issue about making sure people who come into our building are recognized if they’re not going through the magnetometer, and this officer at that moment didn’t recognize her.”
“It would have been real easy, as most members of Congress do, to say here’s who I am or do you know who I am?” Gainer added.
Police also have said that McKinney was failing to wear a pin that lawmakers are asked to display when entering Capitol facilities.
But she said Wednesday: “Face recognition is the issue … The pin doesn’t have my name on it and it doesn’t have my picture on it, and so security should not be based on a pin … People are focused on my hairdo.”
The Georgia Democrat, appearing on CBS’s “The Early Show” Wednesday, recently dropped her trademark cornrows in favor of a curly brown afro.
“Something that perhaps the average American just doesn’t understand is that there is a heightened sense of a lack of appropriateness being there for members who are elected who happen to be of color,” McKinney said, “and until this issue is addressed by the American public in a very substantive way, it won’t be the last time.”
Last Wednesday’s incident in a House office building has caused a commotion on Capitol Hill, where security in the era of terrorist threat is tighter than ever and where authorities had to order an evacuation just Monday because of a power outage.
McKinney has garnered little support among fellow Democrats in her feud with the Capitol police. No one in her party chose to join her at a news conference last Friday to discuss the situation, and the event was canceled.
As a federal prosecutor considers whether to press assault or other charges against her, Republicans presented a resolution commending Capitol police for professionalism toward members of Congress and visitors _ even though they “endure physical and verbal assaults in some extreme cases.”
“I don’t think it’s fair to attack the Capitol Police and I think it’s time that we show our support for them,” said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R- N.C., a sponsor of the measure. Ignoring a police officer’s order to stop, or hitting one, “is never OK,” McHenry said.
Some GOP members have said the McKinney incident serves to underscore Democratic insensitivity to security concerns.
[quote]hedo wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I am torn on this issue.
On one hand, I understand how she felt watching her white counterparts go through day-to-day without having to be subjected to being stopped, regardless whether they had a pin or not, while she gets super-scrutinized every single day. There are very few black people in this country that don’t know how demeaning that feels. That kind of shit gets to you after a while.
On the other hand, the fact that she has been black in this country for 51 years and the shit she has had to go through while in Congress, not just from republicans, but from her own party no less, should let her know that she is not going to catch the same breaks as her white counterparts and she needs to CYA.
She can’t just get away with shooting someone in the face, delaying the police investigation and then getting the victim to apologize for being shot by them…oops, I mean she can’t get away with slapping a cop when they put their hands on her unexpectedly. Who does she think she is, Zza Zza Gabor? Even Zza Zza had to go downtown for a while and pay a minor fine for her release. Why would this woman expect to be treated any better?
Your not torn at all.
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In all seriousness, I am torn. I was being sarcastic just for fun. In reality, she shouldn’t have hit the cop, period. But I do understand her frustration and share much of it day-to-day.
I am curious though. Since you seem to know so much about me not being torn, what position did you think I had on the issue? I’m only asking since you commented. Could it possibly be, once again…nevermind, that’s a different thread.
The Democratic leadership, and the black caucus, are treating her as a pariah.
Is there any other sourcing for any of her claims that “white representatives go through unchecked and pinless whereas black representatives are forced to comply with rules or be checked”? Perhaps there’s a lot less to her claims than meets the eye…
Which would be completely unsurprising, given she is a fruitcake.
Hedo,
While it shouldn’t matter, we should probably note the police chief is black, and joins the Congressional Black Caucus in the ranks of the unsympathetic.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Is there any other sourcing for any of her claims that “white representatives go through unchecked and pinless whereas black representatives are forced to comply with rules or be checked”? Perhaps there’s a lot less to her claims than meets the eye…
[/quote]
Is there ever any sourcing for these types of things? Honestly, unless you’ve experienced this type of thing on a regular basis, you won’t pay any attention when it happens to someone else. Also, unless you have a camera following each and every person that comes through there every day over the course of years, and had the time to review all the recordings to prove that it happens, it is very hard to prove. I’m not saying that it did or didn’t happen, I’m saying even if it did happen, no one will believe her or anyone else that makes this claim. Of course, even if it is true, nothing would happen anyway. It will just get blown off as usual.
As far as the CBC and the DNC are concerned, they have never supported her from day one because she doesn’t tow the party line. She doesn’t “go along to get along” like most of them do. Her money doesn’t stem from corporate sponsorship, so she doesn’t play well with others. The lack of support coming from these groups is not a big surprise at all.
As far as the police chief is concerned, why would he take her side over one of his employees? Unless the employee is caught red-handed, the expectation that he would take her side is stupid.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
hedo wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I am torn on this issue.
On one hand, I understand how she felt watching her white counterparts go through day-to-day without having to be subjected to being stopped, regardless whether they had a pin or not, while she gets super-scrutinized every single day. There are very few black people in this country that don’t know how demeaning that feels. That kind of shit gets to you after a while.
On the other hand, the fact that she has been black in this country for 51 years and the shit she has had to go through while in Congress, not just from republicans, but from her own party no less, should let her know that she is not going to catch the same breaks as her white counterparts and she needs to CYA.
She can’t just get away with shooting someone in the face, delaying the police investigation and then getting the victim to apologize for being shot by them…oops, I mean she can’t get away with slapping a cop when they put their hands on her unexpectedly. Who does she think she is, Zza Zza Gabor? Even Zza Zza had to go downtown for a while and pay a minor fine for her release. Why would this woman expect to be treated any better?
Your not torn at all.
In all seriousness, I am torn. I was being sarcastic just for fun. In reality, she shouldn’t have hit the cop, period. But I do understand her frustration and share much of it day-to-day.
I am curious though. Since you seem to know so much about me not being torn, what position did you think I had on the issue? I’m only asking since you commented. Could it possibly be, once again…nevermind, that’s a different thread.[/quote]
Sarcasm doesn’t translate well on the internet, as we all know. If you were being sarcastic them it is kind of humorous. If you were being serious then your position was stated clearly and you did not seem to be in conflict about it (torn), which is what my comment was based on.
Your sarcasm was directed at fairly specific targets by the way, further implying a lack of conflict.
Could it possibly be, once again…nevermind, you wouldn’t do that, like you said another thread.
[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
Is there any other sourcing for any of her claims that “white representatives go through unchecked and pinless whereas black representatives are forced to comply with rules or be checked”? Perhaps there’s a lot less to her claims than meets the eye…
ALDurr wrote:
Is there ever any sourcing for these types of things? Honestly, unless you’ve experienced this type of thing on a regular basis, you won’t pay any attention when it happens to someone else. Also, unless you have a camera following each and every person that comes through there every day over the course of years, and had the time to review all the recordings to prove that it happens, it is very hard to prove. I’m not saying that it did or didn’t happen, I’m saying even if it did happen, no one will believe her or anyone else that makes this claim. Of course, even if it is true, nothing would happen anyway. It will just get blown off as usual.[/quote]
It shouldn’t be that hard. There are other black members of the U.S. House and the Senate who could easily step forward and corroborate that story. Doesn’t seem to me as if they are jumping to do so…
[quote]AL Durr wrote:
As far as the CBC and the DNC are concerned, they have never supported her from day one because she doesn’t tow the party line. She doesn’t “go along to get along” like most of them do. Her money doesn’t stem from corporate sponsorship, so she doesn’t play well with others. The lack of support coming from these groups is not a big surprise at all.[/quote]
As far as I have gathered, over the course of years of political observation, she is widely viewed as a nut case. And there are definitely lots of stories I’ve read about how she doesn’t play well with others – and that she is particularly touchy in the “Don’t you know who I am” sort of way.
[quote]AL Durr wrote:
As far as the police chief is concerned, why would he take her side over one of his employees? Unless the employee is caught red-handed, the expectation that he would take her side is stupid. [/quote]
I should hope he would take his employee’s side – especially an employee with no other record of problems (I’ve not seen any reported) versus a person of McKinney’s reputation and history.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
I am torn on this issue.
On one hand, I understand how she felt watching her white counterparts go through day-to-day without having to be subjected to being stopped, regardless whether they had a pin or not, while she gets super-scrutinized every single day. …[/quote]
She did not get super scrutinized every day.
She breezed through every day.
That is why she got so mad when they stopped her because she has been breezing through for 11 years.
When she changes her look and forgets her pin she gets stopped.
I fail to see the racism.
I bet they would stop me too if I wasn’t wearing the ID pin and if I didn’t look like a congressman.
She also had a confrontation at the White House when she visited during the Clinton years because she gave the guard that didn’t know her shit intsead of showing ID as she was asked.
It seems she looks for trouble.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Sarcasm doesn’t translate well on the internet, as we all know. If you were being sarcastic them it is kind of humorous. If you were being serious then your position was stated clearly and you did not seem to be in conflict about it (torn), which is what my comment was based on.
[/quote]
Thanks for answering my question. My position was stated clearly in my previous response. She should not have hit the cop, regardless of how she felt. I do understand that feeling though, and that was my point. There have been many times I’ve wanted to hit someone behind the type of treatment she said she received, but I also understand the concept of restraint.
They were easy targets to illustrate how things can be interpreted.
If I was going to do it, I would admit it, much like I’ve been doing. How many others do that on here?