Renaming PWI

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]kamui wrote:

  • the “iraqi resistance” is a diverse movement, but all its components have one thing in common : they do not only want to stop american presence in Iraq, they want the power for themselves, and they pursue hegemonic and/or separatists agenda.

  • the US may be occupants, but they are not invaders. that’s not the same thing.

there is no black and white here. only shades of gray.
and the darker shades are probably not american here.

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The world opinion can change quickly as with the US citizens. The Dems were on board …everyone in the USA…proof that Saddam had WMD. He invaded KUWAIT a few yeas earlier but we were too PC to finish the job. Yes, he used it on his own people but we liberals and MSM like to forget that. Saddam did a good job of exporting/hiding/passing that in the 3 Months warning we gave him before we came back …finally…again.

But this has been argued over and over.

It was a liberation, not occupation. We are trying to leave, but we can’t.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

yes, it’s clearer, but it doesn’t apply here.

to defend your country, you need to actually have a country. and that’s not really the case here.

Iraq is not a country, or at least, it’s not a country like norway or France were in 1940.

it’s a multi-ethnic and multi-religious state plagued by extreme tensions which was only united by the authoritarian regime of Hussein.

the insurgents are not trying to defend their country, they are trying to advance political, ideological and religious agenda.

the Ba’athist were in power under Saddam, and they want to take it again
the Kurds are trying to get a Kurdistan out of this mess
the Turks are trying to extend their borders
the Salafi are trying to impose their vision of the “Pure Islam”
and various Shi’ites groups are trying to enforce Sharia Law nationwide

the current situation in Iraq has nothing to do with a romantic resistance. it’s comparable to Yugoslavia just after Tito’s death. a programmed implosion.

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but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

btw: If todays iraq is splitted in smaller countrys, thats fine by me. the closer the power is to the people the more influence does the people have.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

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Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

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Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Hey Rock looks like we have another 20 college kid genius on the board huh? The place is rotten with them lately.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

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Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

the poison gas where provided by the americans in the 80`s and where used against communists( people like me ) and kurds. you know that america where friends with saddam right.

So sir. go show your bullshit up your own ass.

have a nice day:)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

[/quote]

Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Hey Rock looks like we have another 20 college kid genius on the board huh? The place is rotten with them lately.
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Looks like there is another bitter old “genius” on the board. This place have been filled with them lately.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

[/quote]

Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Hey Rock looks like we have another 20 college kid genius on the board huh? The place is rotten with them lately.
[/quote]

Looks like there is another bitter old “genius” on the board. This place have been filled with them lately. [/quote]

Not even intelligent enough to create your own lines. Better spend more time on your professors lap son.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

[/quote]

Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Hey Rock looks like we have another 20 college kid genius on the board huh? The place is rotten with them lately.
[/quote]

Looks like there is another bitter old “genius” on the board. This place have been filled with them lately. [/quote]

Not even intelligent enough to create your own lines. Better spend more time on your professors lap son.
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do you really think your attack against me deserved a well tought out response. think again sir.

If you respond with shitty post you get shitty post in return.

I cant sit on my professors lap right now, but Ill ask him tomorrow. Will that image of me sitting on another mans lap help you get it up sir. If it does, Im happy to help:)

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

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Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

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Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Well Americans invaded the country, what else could they possibly be?

You absolutely positively can invade countries ruled by bad people.

For your convenience:

So we need “troops”, check, to enter a “foreign nation”, check, with the possible goal of “occupying” for a limited or indefinite period of time, check.

Yup, looks like an invasion to me.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

but all of this people where bombed, invaded and occupied by usa, therefor theire struggle against the american invasion was just. It where after the invasion and during the occupation that different groups with different agendas did take the opportunity to gain power or theire own country as the kurds. this is the mess today and the american invasion and occupation is the catalyst for this. The saddam regime was the glue that did hold this country togheter.

[/quote]

Yes tyranny , poison gas and executions helped keep the peace with Sadamm…and Americans are invaders… Go shove that bullshit back up your professors ass.[/quote]

Hey Rock looks like we have another 20 college kid genius on the board huh? The place is rotten with them lately.
[/quote]

Looks like there is another bitter old “genius” on the board. This place have been filled with them lately. [/quote]

Not even intelligent enough to create your own lines. Better spend more time on your professors lap son.
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do you really think your attack against me deserved a well tought out response. think again sir.[/quote]

I don’t think it deserved any response, just stating some facts, but you got all offended. That shows your lack of maturity…son

[quote]I cant sit on my professors lap right now, but Ill ask him tomorrow. Will that image of me sitting on another mans lap help you get it up sir. If it does, Im happy to help:)
[/quote]

Aside from your homoerotic dreams do you have anything at all to add to this site? No, I didn’t think you did. Grow up, come back and then you’ll get some respect. Until then make sure you get those homework assignments done on time…son :slight_smile:

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

[/quote]

Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

[/quote]

Oh, there, I found it, right next to how the Freemasons knocked down the World Trade Centre, Queen Elizabeth is an alien, and Jooooos drink baby blood as part of Passover Rituals.

Seriously, Stormfront (or whereever you are getting your info) is not a reliable source.

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no it wasn’t the freemasons, everyone knows mossad had a hand in it, that way you could drag us in to get rid of all them a-rabs who are taking your holy lands, seeing as your bulldozers couldn’t move fast enough.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

[/quote]

Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

[/quote]

Oh, there, I found it, right next to how the Freemasons knocked down the World Trade Centre, Queen Elizabeth is an alien, and Jooooos drink baby blood as part of Passover Rituals.

Seriously, Stormfront (or whereever you are getting your info) is not a reliable source.[/quote]

Oh, maybe once your google works again, maybe “Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK)” would lead you in the right direction?

You know, the Iranian wing of the PKK?

But I get it, your deep envy of all things Arab and Muslim just wont let you consider this, right?

Otherwise I cannot explain 2 pages of denial.

You got to be careful, your usually reasonable posts make your meaningless fluff stand out like a nun in a whorehouse.

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[quote]rageradios wrote:
no it wasn’t the freemasons, everyone knows mossad had a hand in it, that way you could drag us in to get rid of all them a-rabs who are taking your holy lands, seeing as your bulldozers couldn’t move fast enough.[/quote]

don’t think Israel ever had problems kicking their nice neighbor’s asses when these kind ppl tried to “kick ze jooz into ze sea” like what 3 times ?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

[/quote]

Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

[/quote]

Oh, there, I found it, right next to how the Freemasons knocked down the World Trade Centre, Queen Elizabeth is an alien, and Jooooos drink baby blood as part of Passover Rituals.

Seriously, Stormfront (or whereever you are getting your info) is not a reliable source.[/quote]

Oh, maybe once your google works again, maybe “Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK)” would lead you in the right direction?

You know, the Iranian wing of the PKK?

But I get it, your deep envy of all things Arab and Muslim just wont let you consider this, right?

Otherwise I cannot explain 2 pages of denial.

You got to be careful, your usually reasonable posts make your meaningless fluff stand out like a nun in a whorehouse.

[/quote]

not sure what the point is. I don’t know this for a fact, but if Israel is helping someone who is against ahmadinenutjob, given his actions and rhetoric - wouldn’t be surprised at all.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]rageradios wrote:
no it wasn’t the freemasons, everyone knows mossad had a hand in it, that way you could drag us in to get rid of all them a-rabs who are taking your holy lands, seeing as your bulldozers couldn’t move fast enough.[/quote]

don’t think Israel ever had problems kicking their nice neighbor’s asses when these kind ppl tried to “kick ze jooz into ze sea” like what 3 times ?[/quote]

They are having problems now.

Military superiority is nice, as long as your opponents play by the book.

If they dont, cheap explosives can down wreck your tanks and cheap missiles can down your helicopters.

Of course one can call such people terrorists, but that hardly changes that they are obviously not willing to go home, or to line up in a battle line to get mowed down.

Bummer.

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

[/quote]

Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

[/quote]

Oh, there, I found it, right next to how the Freemasons knocked down the World Trade Centre, Queen Elizabeth is an alien, and Jooooos drink baby blood as part of Passover Rituals.

Seriously, Stormfront (or whereever you are getting your info) is not a reliable source.[/quote]

Oh, maybe once your google works again, maybe “Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK)” would lead you in the right direction?

You know, the Iranian wing of the PKK?

But I get it, your deep envy of all things Arab and Muslim just wont let you consider this, right?

Otherwise I cannot explain 2 pages of denial.

You got to be careful, your usually reasonable posts make your meaningless fluff stand out like a nun in a whorehouse.

[/quote]

not sure what the point is. I don’t know this for a fact, but if Israel is helping someone who is against ahmadinenutjob, given his actions and rhetoric - wouldn’t be surprised at all.

[/quote]

The point is that he is pissed off that Iran sponsors terror in Israel, amongst other targets against the “wimmenz and childrenz !!!1!!1” but somehow flees from the very idea that Israel might help train people who do exactly the same in Iran.

I think they are around 40000 victims now.

Not that I really care one way or the other, but the whole narrative “Israel good, Arabs bad, Muslims even worse, everyone who says different hates the US and ze Joooos” is too tempting not to rattle it a little bit.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]rageradios wrote:
no it wasn’t the freemasons, everyone knows mossad had a hand in it, that way you could drag us in to get rid of all them a-rabs who are taking your holy lands, seeing as your bulldozers couldn’t move fast enough.[/quote]

don’t think Israel ever had problems kicking their nice neighbor’s asses when these kind ppl tried to “kick ze jooz into ze sea” like what 3 times ?[/quote]

They are having problems now.

Military superiority is nice, as long as your opponents play by the book.

If they dont, cheap explosives can down wreck your tanks and cheap missiles can down your helicopters.

Of course one can call such people terrorists, but that hardly changes that they are obviously not willing to go home, or to line up in a battle line to get mowed down.

Bummer.[/quote]

yeah, but it appears that rageradios is alleging that Israel needs to drag someone else into this to take care of the issue. don’t think it’s a valid point since they don’t seem to need much help.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ReignIB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Maybe he is referring to the “terrorists” trained and equipped by the Mossad and the US that are operating in Iran?

You know, the Kurdish ones?

[/quote]

Wow, I need some of the shit you smoke. I could totaly get rich.[/quote]

Want me to post links?

Seems like Israel is not only involved with PKK affiliates in Iran but also starts to get involved in Turky.

Since your google is broken and stuff.

And yes, those organizations kill wimmenz and children too.

Google it for the children.

[/quote]

Oh, there, I found it, right next to how the Freemasons knocked down the World Trade Centre, Queen Elizabeth is an alien, and Jooooos drink baby blood as part of Passover Rituals.

Seriously, Stormfront (or whereever you are getting your info) is not a reliable source.[/quote]

Oh, maybe once your google works again, maybe “Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK)” would lead you in the right direction?

You know, the Iranian wing of the PKK?

But I get it, your deep envy of all things Arab and Muslim just wont let you consider this, right?

Otherwise I cannot explain 2 pages of denial.

You got to be careful, your usually reasonable posts make your meaningless fluff stand out like a nun in a whorehouse.

[/quote]

not sure what the point is. I don’t know this for a fact, but if Israel is helping someone who is against ahmadinenutjob, given his actions and rhetoric - wouldn’t be surprised at all.

[/quote]

The point is that he is pissed off that Iran sponsors terror in Israel, amongst other targets against the “wimmenz and childrenz !!!1!!1” but somehow flees from the very idea that Israel might help train people who do exactly the same in Iran.

I think they are around 40000 victims now.

Not that I really care one way or the other, but the whole narrative “Israel good, Arabs bad, Muslims even worse, everyone who says different hates the US and ze Joooos” is too tempting not to rattle it a little bit.

[/quote]

nobody’s perfect lol.
Germany sponsored murderous Russian Communists to get rid of the eastern front, US sponsored modjaheddin in Afghanistan to promote anti-Soviet resistance etc etc,so hopefully Israel is careful there since both Germany and the US ended up paying dearly for what seemed like a good idea at the time.