[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here’s a link I found hilarious, but it covers the basics better than I could.
“Try and stay outta trouble, things will probably pan out fine”[/quote]
Thanks Mak! I love Bailey’s paraphrase of the Rigveda:
“He who rules from highest heaven, he knows… or, he may not know.”
That’s an idea of deity I’m comfortable with.
[quote]orion wrote:
I think he rides the point “oh, its all bronze age ideas” a bit hard.
I mean, yeah, they are, but so is agriculture, the wheel, law, written language, music and whatnot.
Duh, they serve a purpose, why is religion still around?
I also think it is grotesquely naive to believe that bigotry, hatred and superstition suddenly disappeared if only religion were no more.
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I’d say that agriculture, music, written language, and even law predate the Bronze Age.
And certainly man discovered bigotry, hatred, superstition, and fear of the gods long, long before he ever smelted copper or tin.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
I think he rides the point “oh, its all bronze age ideas” a bit hard.
I mean, yeah, they are, but so is agriculture, the wheel, law, written language, music and whatnot.
Duh, they serve a purpose, why is religion still around?
I also think it is grotesquely naive to believe that bigotry, hatred and superstition suddenly disappeared if only religion were no more.
I’d say that agriculture, music, written language, and even law predate the Bronze Age.
And certainly man discovered bigotry, hatred, superstition, and fear of the gods long, long before he ever smelted copper or tin.[/quote]
Ritualism also a heavily criticized component. Is alive and well outside the realm of religion…
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest. He should have set up and consulted subject matter experts and interviewed them.
People cannot rationally argue that they themselves exist, much less that anything else does.
[quote]pat wrote:
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest.[/quote]
Given the title, I’d have thought that the film’s intent is fairly self-evident: to ridicule religious people.
I’ve tried to think of some alternate titles, combining the words “religion” with the words “reason” or “intellect” or “rationality”, but they just don’t seem to roll off the tongue.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
pat wrote:
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest.
Given the title, I’d have thought that the film’s intent is fairly self-evident: to ridicule religious people.
I’ve tried to think of some alternate titles, combining the words “religion” with the words “reason” or “intellect” or “rationality”, but they just don’t seem to roll off the tongue.[/quote]
You are correct of course. I thought originally that is was just misspelled.
tons of laughs (this is a comedy) combined with some simple truths.
The question he asks at the end definately has some merit.
[quote]pat wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
I think he rides the point “oh, its all bronze age ideas” a bit hard.
I mean, yeah, they are, but so is agriculture, the wheel, law, written language, music and whatnot.
Duh, they serve a purpose, why is religion still around?
I also think it is grotesquely naive to believe that bigotry, hatred and superstition suddenly disappeared if only religion were no more.
I’d say that agriculture, music, written language, and even law predate the Bronze Age.
And certainly man discovered bigotry, hatred, superstition, and fear of the gods long, long before he ever smelted copper or tin.
Ritualism also a heavily criticized component. Is alive and well outside the realm of religion…
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest. He should have set up and consulted subject matter experts and interviewed them.
People cannot rationally argue that they themselves exist, much less that anything else does. [/quote]
actually in some instances he did have subject matter experts. the problem was he would ask them about something that wasn’t a part of their field
“I thought my interview with him was going to be about the so-called controversy between science and faith, and whether someone could both believe in God and evolution. I was willing to discourse on that.
But in a rambling discussion, Maher migrated into other territory where I am hardly an expert (like the historicity of the Gospels). As you could see, that was the part he chose to include, though he presented a very limited excerpt.”
[quote]haney1 wrote:
pat wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
I think he rides the point “oh, its all bronze age ideas” a bit hard.
I mean, yeah, they are, but so is agriculture, the wheel, law, written language, music and whatnot.
Duh, they serve a purpose, why is religion still around?
I also think it is grotesquely naive to believe that bigotry, hatred and superstition suddenly disappeared if only religion were no more.
I’d say that agriculture, music, written language, and even law predate the Bronze Age.
And certainly man discovered bigotry, hatred, superstition, and fear of the gods long, long before he ever smelted copper or tin.
Ritualism also a heavily criticized component. Is alive and well outside the realm of religion…
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest. He should have set up and consulted subject matter experts and interviewed them.
People cannot rationally argue that they themselves exist, much less that anything else does.
actually in some instances he did have subject matter experts. the problem was he would ask them about something that wasn’t a part of their field
“I thought my interview with him was going to be about the so-called controversy between science and faith, and whether someone could both believe in God and evolution. I was willing to discourse on that.
But in a rambling discussion, Maher migrated into other territory where I am hardly an expert (like the historicity of the Gospels). As you could see, that was the part he chose to include, though he presented a very limited excerpt.”
The Case Against Religulous — The Misleading Francis Collins Interview [/quote]
So would you chalk it up to atheist propaganda? I wish I was able to see the whole thing.
[quote]pat wrote:
haney1 wrote:
pat wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
I think he rides the point “oh, its all bronze age ideas” a bit hard.
I mean, yeah, they are, but so is agriculture, the wheel, law, written language, music and whatnot.
Duh, they serve a purpose, why is religion still around?
I also think it is grotesquely naive to believe that bigotry, hatred and superstition suddenly disappeared if only religion were no more.
I’d say that agriculture, music, written language, and even law predate the Bronze Age.
And certainly man discovered bigotry, hatred, superstition, and fear of the gods long, long before he ever smelted copper or tin.
Ritualism also a heavily criticized component. Is alive and well outside the realm of religion…
Why is he talking to people at a truck stop? If he wants honest intellectual dialog making simple people look foolish because they don’t have all the answers is a sign this was a disingenuous quest. He should have set up and consulted subject matter experts and interviewed them.
People cannot rationally argue that they themselves exist, much less that anything else does.
actually in some instances he did have subject matter experts. the problem was he would ask them about something that wasn’t a part of their field
“I thought my interview with him was going to be about the so-called controversy between science and faith, and whether someone could both believe in God and evolution. I was willing to discourse on that.
But in a rambling discussion, Maher migrated into other territory where I am hardly an expert (like the historicity of the Gospels). As you could see, that was the part he chose to include, though he presented a very limited excerpt.”
So would you chalk it up to atheist propaganda? I wish I was able to see the whole thing.
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The rest of the movie plays if you wait a while and reload it. Just start playing it from where you left off.
The movie was made so Maher could make fun of people who blindly follow their faith. He never wanted the ‘other side’ of the story to be told, but I don’t think it’s a propaganda film. It’s a comedy. Like the Borat movie.
[quote]pat wrote:
So would you chalk it up to atheist propaganda? I wish I was able to see the whole thing.
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In a way, but no less than Ben stein’s movie. So I can’t fault them.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
pat wrote:
So would you chalk it up to atheist propaganda? I wish I was able to see the whole thing.
In a way, but no less than Ben stein’s movie. So I can’t fault them.
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Hey free speech…They can say and make what they like…
I enjoyed it. I like Bill Maher, but he is an ass.
If you enjoyed religulous, I recommend you watch this.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
the interview with the vatican priest was the high light of the movie i think.
moved away from the cycnical tone, brought things down to earth a bit more.
also the reference to jesus ripping off the story of Ra was funny. the christians he interviewed were funny, they were all pretty retarded. but i like how all the muslims he intereviewed were like oh religion of peace religion of peace but hes like i have a feeling theyre just lying to oursiders.[/quote]
Its not a lie if its one of the four of the following.
Muslims don’t have to tell the truth to non-Muslims.
Muslims don’t have to tell the truth to women.
Muslims don’t have to tell the truth to others even other Muslims if it benefits themselves in any means.
Also you don’t have to tell the truth if its to benefit Islam.
These are true facts. It is worded differently in the Quran. When you ask a Muslim they will take offense and act like its a lie in order to hide what I just said.
Islam is very bad religion in many ways. Too radical still like Christianity in the Dark Ages.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Here’s a link I found hilarious, but it covers the basics better than I could.
“Try and stay outta trouble, things will probably pan out fine”
Thanks Mak! I love Bailey’s paraphrase of the Rigveda:
“He who rules from highest heaven, he knows… or, he may not know.”
That’s an idea of deity I’m comfortable with.
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Bailey is a genius. He is a friend of a friend so I got to go see him at Wembley for nothing last year. We were sat with his family throughout then went for drinks with him after.
Absolutely fucking hilarious.
[quote]Shaved wrote:
I enjoyed it. I like Bill Maher, but he is an ass.
If you enjoyed religulous, I recommend you watch this.
zeitgeistmovie.com[/quote]
try some background checks for the religion portion of zeitgeist. It is by far the films weakest area and seems as though they scrambled a ton of already disproven “facts” together in hopes to build up their number 1 myth: religion.
and Zeitgeist isnt funny…at all.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Here’s a link I found hilarious, but it covers the basics better than I could.
“Try and stay outta trouble, things will probably pan out fine”
Thanks Mak! I love Bailey’s paraphrase of the Rigveda:
“He who rules from highest heaven, he knows… or, he may not know.”
That’s an idea of deity I’m comfortable with.
Bailey is a genius. He is a friend of a friend so I got to go see him at Wembley for nothing last year. We were sat with his family throughout then went for drinks with him after.
Absolutely fucking hilarious.[/quote]
Aha. I knew we could find some common ground somewhere, Cockney. Cheers.
His foreign ambulance sketch practically had me in tears.