[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m sorry, but to me that just doesn’t add up. Why would you make it your metric, when viewing the ‘wronged’ of yester-year? You didn’t and don’t have the might to make right for them. Those who did, determined they had the right, and so no wrong was done. How can you possibly say they were wronged, if they clearly had no rights, and the offenders had no moral obligations to these people? Is it might makes? Your opinion determines what was/is/will be right? Or, what?
Then how can you claim those other folks at that time were wronged?
Had my side continued to win, I doubt you’d be here telling me I was right and you were wrong.
It’s not for men who were/are trying to change hearts. Who are pointing to the wronged and saying, you may have the might, but you/we are wrong for this. See, before you get “THE MIGHT” you either get them to realize they’ve been doing wrong. Or, at least enough people under them to realize they’ve been doing wrong, so now that you have your own might. The interesting thing is, I suppose no wrong would have ever been done to black slaves had we simply realized that as long we didn’t change our minds, no wrong was in reality being done. If you changed your mind tomorrow, no longer would wrong have been done to black slaves.
They have no reason to listen to me ever. If I don’t even believe they have a moral obligation to me, me to them, you to me, me to you, he needn’t think he’s wronged me. He’d be a fool to.
See, if I did the whole no-faith deal, I’d do it right. Without all the fun and inconsistent semantics that keeps me from having to voice the “hard truths” of such a position.
Nobody was wronged.
The black slave trade? They decided it was an economical/convenient enough practice. Units were shipped in for trade. We’ve decided it isn’t worth the trouble and costs today. Who knows though, maybe it’ll be a good option for the future though.
Nobody ever is wronged.
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Sloth no offense, but you attempt to do this all the time. Are you actually interested in discussing my lack of faith or are you interested in attempting to prove your point that I can’t happen to exist in this world and come to the conclusions I do without faith?
To the people at that time WHO WERE DOING THE SLAVERY they didn’t view it as wrong. If they did would they have done it? How about the Spanish Inquisition? Did your past Catholic brethren view that as wrong or God’s will?
Of COURSE they thought they were correct. Jeffrey Dahmer thought he was correct I’m sure. Me pointing that out doesn’t mean I think slavery isn’t wrong, the Inquisition is a good thing, or Dahmer was a cool guy who just happened to want to eat people.
No amount of word twisting or typing gymnastics makes me think these things no matter how many times you attempt to put the words in my mouth.
I get it. You can’t understand how some of us manage to not be horrible pieces of shit without believing in a higher power. Honestly it seems like it pisses you off. I think you’d be better off focusing on why so many people who claim to believe similar things to you and call themselves the same thing as you do so many horrific things.
Atheists aren’t hurting religion. Religion is hurting itself and has been for a while now. If I didn’t see all the hypocrisy by people in the world, on this board, and elsewhere I might be able to reconcile religion. Maybe, maybe not. You’re sitting here trying to figure out how my brain works when so many people on this board say horrific things and say they believe the same thing as you? I think that would be a better thing to figure out.
If I was a religious man I’d spend all my time trying to figure out why all these other people are giving us such a bad name. Pat says it’s the media. Pat’s a good dude, but absolutely full of shit on that and I showed him.
I didn’t say might makes right. I said might has the power to take away rights. Obviously this is and always has been and always will be true. You know it’s true. Doesn’t mean I agree with it for pointing it out. Your freedoms are only currently good for you as long as people in power think you deserve to have them. The moment they think otherwise what will happen? Will God save you? You better hope he does a better job than the past man.
The hard truths of smh or my position are hard because you make them hard. You want to make them hard because they don’t make sense to you. You’re probably not going to fix that no matter how much you say the same thing in these type of threads. You have the answer you wanted long before you asked the question. You won’t accept anything else from me.