Never got the fascination. How long does it take to run through 72 virgins? 4 weeks? What happens then?
You’re left with no virgins but 72 women who are lousy lays.
I don’t think these guys thought this through.
I should have read the thread until the end. Seems you and I think alike.
I’m predicting inability to genuinely commit long term, despite the delusion that they are still able to.
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Well, the prospect is primarily intended for (male) virgins who also do not know how to have sex.
We are talking about people who have never seen a woman from closer than fifteen feet with the exception of their mother.
Sorry, was thinking of the term Polyamory.
Just noted that now. How would you be able to discern the difference if sexual relations weren’t involved? Are we talking demeanour, the way they initiate and go about applying physical and emotional affection (barring penetrative sex)?
Being a virgin isn’t considered a calamity of epic proportions or anything. I’d assume those who choose to maintain virginal status would in a social context behave similarly to someone who has had one or a few serious partners (not talking about excess promiscuity that consistently caters towards a hedonism only approach).
Virgins or non virgins? I don’t think you’d find a particularly strong association with either barring those who scour tinder on a weekly basis looking for multiple new partners. You’d have trouble acutely convincing them to settle down. I suppose it depends on how the virgin, or non virgin views sex. I don’t really have that much of an issue with casual sex provided the context is right. It tends to cause a lot of drama because a lot of people can’t maintain the “casual” nature of an implicit agreement or someone sleeps with a partner who their friend liked etc. For it to work very strict, non negotiable ground rules need to be set in place and both people need to be of a particular type of character.
The mature woman who has been in one or two serious relationships both spanning over a couple/few years… Are we really going to pass judgement if god forbid she has slept with one of her partners? I certainly wouldn’t, I think physical intimacy is a healthy, important aspect of any mature relationship
(most) people grow up over time, most settle down eventually. I have cousins who were serial womanisers, albeit they were very respectful towards those they courted or slept with who are now happily married with kids.
Unless people for whatever reason start getting married at sixteen again I can’t advocate for abstinence prior to marriage. The same way I wouldn’t advocate against single men masturbating… It’s too difficult to abstain if you don’t have a partner. Though sex has the potential to impose considerably heftier consequences.
There is a “loophole” (oral sex, digital stimulation or sodomy), the latter being associated with more generalised risk. Depending on religious views all may be seen as sinful as all involve spilling ones seed in vein. I believe sodomy is considered a sin too depending on the religion albeit not in Judaism (actually it’s complicated, a lot of it depends whether the seed is spilled without intent to procreate).
Non virgins with a high body count.
No, I don’t include them in the prediction. They might be jaded especially if they were cheated on, but they could still commit for a good guy.
I think their are men that fall into the same category, not able to commit, due to a high body count. They just aren’t as common, cause its much easier for the average young woman to get sex than a guy.
I always find it funny when people ask what’s your body count. I’m like “I’ve got seven people in my closet right now, I’m Jason Voorhees!”
Just ask “how many people have you slept in” which imo is a very private question most shouldn’t have to answer. I don’t think it’s appropriate to ask people this unless you’re already close (friends or dating)
Like the people who ask me how often I masturbate. The answer is none of your DAMN business! Do I look at porn? What kind do I look at? Refer to answer above. Get questions like this sometimes, particularly when people find out I’m on TRT. There’s a unique perception restoring my endocrine status to normality should turn me into some sort of sex craved serial womaniser.
Not their fault. This is an abomination when it occurs and the partner cheating is at fault 99% of the time. I have a really bad/sad story about a guy who was about to get married (already engaged) and he came home late at night and found his fiance in bed with another man.
I don’t think adultery ought to be illigal but I’d actually support a law granting immunity for assault (non lethal) in such an instance. The guy cheating deserves a punch in the face… Or twenty… for cheating with an engaged woman
Can’t imagine I would be able to hold my temper in such a situation. Can’t resort to violence given the laws here, I’m also not a person who generally believes in violence outside of a self defence context… but damn I’d probably be shouting and throwing things.
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This trend is not as pronounced in men. One doesn’t have to look at research and simply use his own eyes and ears. I’ve known several women who not only lost their virginity to uncommitted men at very early ages, but also spent an unusual amount of time with boys at those ages too.
There are examples that don’t follow a trend. I know this. I know you and some others mean no condescension when exceptions are pointed out, but being in my early 40’s I’m well aware of examples bucking a trend.
Have you noted the men some of these women gravitate towards tend to be very arrogant and thuggish. Sociopathically charming at times.
Talking about youth here. It’s unfortunate as to how immature women tend to gravitate towards to these men who are typically by all means absolute shitheels. Imparts from immaturity, though environmental variables (i.e troubled upbringing, absent or neglectful parents) also appear to predispose one for falling for a boy like this.
I don’t have any data to back my assumptions here. I’m going by anecdote.
Had an old “friend” who is no longer a friend. I was very kind to him, had his back at all times and considered him a good friend until he on multiple occasions outright stabbed me in the back without hesitation and seemingly without remorse (long story). It was actually very difficult for me to walk away as he was my only real “friend” at the time. I took a lot of shit from his group because I just wanted to be one of the guys. Eventually one straw broke the camels back and I got up in his face in front of quite a few people and started shouting. I almost never stand up for myself but what happened was so abhorrent I was actually ready for a fight! I never saw him again, and I thought we were close. I was friendly with his parents and everything. I was associated with his group at the time, and after disassociating from them I realise I’ve dodged a bullet and a half. Largely disconnecting from that paradigm led me to reform some of my behaviours and realise hedonism does have consequences. The idealistic “free for all utopia” I once had in mind doesn’t actually exist…
Still not against moderation/a happy medium. But I’m far, far more cautious about my approach towards youth degeneracy now comparative to last year.
He had the gift of the gab regarding charisma, was good looking, mischevious (more than that, he was arguably a degenerate…). Women flocked towards him, and on the surface he actually seemed like a really nice guy
Behind that exterior once you got to know him better one would find he was actually very self centred, extremely selfish, egotistical. He didn’t care about the wants or needs of others, if something didn’t directly benefit him he wasn’t interested.
He was confident… This is the kind of male I speak of, the type who is highly likely to deflower younger women and have an associated high body count.
Should be noted the “zero partner” category may be somewhat biased as a large portion may come from heavily religious backgrounds with borderline fundamentalist ideology engrained that discourages divorce even when domestic disputes or relational dissatisfaction is present.
We may disagree about this though.
Also, are these US divorce rates or Aus divorce rates? Because “no fault divorce” in Australia isn’t really a thing like it is in the USA. To get divorced here it takes at LEAST twelve months and it’s associated with a lengthy court process as to ascertain validity of said divorce. There needs to be proof the marriage is irreparable.
Domestic violence/abuse can be fast tracked.
Like I think the divorce rate is 5% or less here… We have a strong culture revolving around casual sex though, arguably stronger than that of America as parents don’t usually seem to take a hardline stance against it here. But marriage is a sacred vow typically taken VERY seriously.
All were dirtbags, some even violent and criminal. Which, now that I have a daughter, made me initially wonder how they even worked their way into the lives of these girls in the first place. But… then I realized I lived in a place in which permissiveness was the order of the day.
Some also are from communities in which there is enormous emphasis on family and high-investment parenting, making it so that both young men and women are not alienated and thereby don’t seek attention or validation by sexual means. Kids who are on what I call the “academic conveyor belt” to top-tier schools, involved with family, have regular religious attendance are usually not the sort of people we’re talking about. I’ve already heard of the Catholic school girl example and the notion that such situations lead to rebelliousness but my observations have shown me different generally.
What about the seemingly MASSIVE discrepancy between divorce rates in the USA vs Aus but the relative similarity regarding the acceptability of casual sex
Could this not imply perhaps a different variable is primarily at hand? @brickhead
You guys are confusing me. I always thought they’d just be getting a couple of packs of cigarettes for their efforts. Virginia Slims are for pussies anyway.
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There’s also that allure towards rebellion/a new, unexplored and exciting paradigm couped with naievity and immaturity.
The women these men prey upon may be unaware as to the true depth of hole these guys are digging for them. Rather “he’s exciting, he’s different from my other guy friends. He’s confident and rebellious!”.
Over time the negative elements slowly creep in. Yet the more narcissistic subtypes will systematically pick at their victims self esteem until they’re too crushed to leap out when things take a massive turn for the worse.
Not always like this, sometimes the guy is just an arrogant dickhead and nothing more sinister is present.
Unfortunately not many can afford to give their kids this standard of education
I’ve anecdotally found elitism, snobbery, rampant disrespect towards authority and cyberbullying to be very present at these top tier private schools (yes, I attended one. Didn’t graduate from one though)
Drug use was also common. It wasn’t as common as more streamlined educational facilities. But when the kids did use they tended to use harder substances and they took more because they had means of access (money). These elite snobby private schools are not the amazing places they’re always made out to be. A lot of it is behind the scenes and quite a bit of it is actually covered up in effort to maintain a “good image”, at times letting students off the hook for heinous behaviour to avoid public controversy.
This kind of conduct envelops even the secular(ish) religious private schools. You’d have to send your kids to the equivalent of yeshiva college to avoid all that jazz… Even then you’ll find kids getting on the booze (here at least). Granted whilst it’s been a while since I’ve lived in the USA I’ve noted Australian youth tends to get up to more at a younger age, whereas high school/college is where it seems to kick off in the USA as opposed to middle school age here.
This has nothing to do with marriage and associated divorce rates. Just a warning of what I saw going on in these schools. The cyberbullying and lack of respect towards adults (bad parenting) was bad in particular.
Everyone generally got good grades though. And people were NOT nice about academics towards the end. It’d become a competition with everyone trying to sabotage and outwit one another to acquire a higher (SAT equivalent) score. I hated that environment, you can sit down with a classmate and help him/her out with a math problem if they’re having trouble… But no, helping them will sabotage your score!
No… It won’t…
You would be right when speaking about this in general because girls in other kinds of schools also generally aren’t rebellious. It’s just that there’s a higher percentage of rebellious girls in Catholic schools from my observations.
Would the courts there even give such a person a little more than a slap on the wrist unless he actually caused severe injuries to the adulterer? As someone who has colonized half the world, I think, being one of my colonies, your degrees of assault vary such as causing hurt, which isn’t even an arrestable offense, to grievous hurt.
I could be wrong and you’re now a renegade state which would require severe military intervention.
I don’t know much about Australia. I don’t follow your social issues, demographics, politics, and so on. I have suspicion of why there’s a discrepancy but that’s a conversation for email.
I come from a town that had a fair amount (certainly not all) of permissive, air-headed, blasé, boomer parents without great expectations or firm codes of conduct. Hence the maladaptive behavior of a good chunk of the kids, which I’ve spoken about. That’s my experience and observation and it’s largely what I go by, especially when making a comparison with other communities that I’ve stated on here in other threads but won’t mention again.
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