Ahhh, yes. The protesters, so nice.
Literally lol-ed.
Got the link?
What flag are they flying?
The BLM protest were peaceful for about a week and ever since that point, they have all pretty much been riots. So give me a break with those razor thin distinctions.
No, not ever BLM protester is a rioter, not all of them are bad people, but the riots continue in the name of BLM, not ANTIFA.
I donât buy this. The news (especially right wing news) covers the riots not the protests for the most part.
Oh, found it!
Lest you think me kiddingâŠ
I wish I were.
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Itâs not for sale. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Iâd say Iâll wait, but Iâd be a skeleton with cobweb with spiders making webâs in my eye sockets. So I wonât wait, because facts are facts.
How many people have attended the protests and riots? Probably something like 40 million now (last I checked it was in the 30 million range). How many have died as a result? In the tens of people? These donât seem to be violent riots by my standards.
To me these are peaceful protests (with a bit of rioting occurring that is captured and on the news). It is difficult to gather that many people and not have some death.
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And you have every right to be as diluted as you want. I take it, youâve yet to survey the damage from the riots in Minneapolis? Of course why would that change your mind? Itâs only a few people who lost everything. They donât matter in the larger pandemic of racial inequality, even though most of them were black.
You have to go to very specific places to see it. I work in a 1st ring suburb that borders Minneapolis (the city of Bloomington), which is about 7 miles from the George Floyd site. There is no noticeable difference in this area.
My point is that you have to go out of your way to see these things. It isnât something most people around the area would even see unless they specifically go to see that area. It isnât a widespread dystopian landscape that the right wing media wants you to think it is.
I am basing my position on actual observation of the area, not the media.
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Thatâs a bold statement. I have to change my thinking? Only if I want to be more clueless. No thanks.
You are placing more weight to these protests than is justified because of the media keeping it constantly in the news. You seem to want these to be a big deal. What percent of Americans have had their lives heavily impacted because of these protests? I personally know exactly 0 people who have been impacted at all. But Minneapolis is burning and ANTIFA is running around destroying peoples lives. Sorry that just isnât what is happening. It is a narrative.
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You think everything is âno big dealâ. âItâs just a little violence.â âOnly a couple of people have been killed.â âItâs just one neighborhood.â And if this were an isloated, one time incident I would agree. But it happened all over the country in many places. With lots of properties destroyed and livelihoods taken. This isnât a game and itâs not funny. This is well outside the âShit happensâ metric.
This is needless, senseless violence that has affected many people and for over 140 nights, still going on in Portland and more occasionally in Seattle.
Your âno big dealâ has affected thousands of lives, hurt hundreds of people and killed over 35 people and caused over $2 billion in damage (very conservative estimate). Fine, it wasnât a massacre. Does it have to be?
The Pulse night club shooting happened in Orlando, one place, one building and only 50 or so people dead. Itâs no big deal, right? Charllotesville, only one person was killed about 10 injured, so itâs no big deal. I mean, youâd have to go to one specific little spot to see the blood stain, itâs not like itâs visible from space.
I cannot, obviously, convey the magnitude to you. You donât want to believe itâs a problem, so itâs not a problem. But I see the bigger picture. It doesnât have to happen to me specifically for me to see the threat. It doesnât have to happen to me to be alarmed that not only is this stuff happening, but itâs allowed to happen, even encouraged. So you think itâs no big deal, nothing I say will convince you. You wonât look it up on your own, I guess because you donât want to know.
But donât tell me that I donât âsee it the right wayâ.
Then so is Black Friday shopping. It is on par as violent.
That is because I try to put things into perspective by using statistics. We have 330,000,000 people in the US. Having numbers in the 10s of people die isnât worth my time to worry about.
Sure, we should address it with an appropriate response.
Sure, basically no one then. We need to look at how big of an issue something is in a context that is appropriate. We have 330,000,000 people in the US. The amount of people who have died is not all that far off from the amount of people who die from vending machines falling on them. We basically give that no response. Why should an issue of similar harm get 1000s of times more resources?
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About 13X more people die each year falling out of bed. How come that problem isnât getting anywhere near the response as these pedestrian protests. Shouldnât we base our response based on the seriousness of the issue?
I live my life not even worrying about things like this. Even though I am in shape, dying of obesity or too many cigars should get a 1000+X my attention that goes into stuff like this (if I am being rational that is).
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Same kind of argument I use to dismiss the epidemic (thatâs the impression we get) of police killing black men.
IMO, the stats donât back up that we have an epidemic of police killing black men. We should dedicate some resources to reform, but it isnât the biggest issue we have. I am not going to engage in fallacy of relative privation, and say we donât need to address the protests that result in violence or the police killing of black people. They should get resources, but they arenât a large issue (so the resources should roughly match the size of the issue).
Idiot. BLM is shit but that chart was made by a white woman in 1990. Judith H. Katz.
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Why the hell would you want to assimilate within Saudi Arabia? A country where women literally have no rights, terrorism/religious extremism and antisemitism is rifle, poverty is rampant and where female genital mutilation is relatively common. Iâm glad Iâm secular as opposed to being stuck in some ultra religious, extremist hellhole where women were only recently granted the ability to drive. Iâm glad I can afford food, housing, transportation. Iâm glad I have a decent education and Iâm glad I have the ability to choose regarding the majority of my daily activities.
Saudi Arabia is a deeply flawed and amoral country. You complain about degeneracy within secular society, Iâd rather complain about countries like Saudi Arabia. Hell, Iâd probably lose my life under the pretense of being Jewish alone.
Low trust is imo induced by the presence of faulty engrained foundations. Corrupt criminal justice systems, rigged elections and/or obvious political corruption, extensive societal divide and/or biased/non-factual media, flawed democracy and/or the absence of democratic voting would all be potential mechanisms contributing towards low trust.
Australia is defined as a high trust society, and we are fairly democratic.
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Exactly, the protests/âAnTiFaâ presence have been sensationalised within the media. Esp Portland, wherein violence/looting incurred was a byproduct of civil unrest and BOTH right and left wing extremism. For whatever reason the left wing in particular seem to cop a lot of flack on here.
If you really cared about the minute amount of lives lost during the protests then you should dedicate more resources to fighting covid-19 as opposed to âbut⊠Freedomâ. What about gun violence? Climate change?
Oh wait, those topics go against the grain of your harboured narrative, thus âyeet, itâs not the same, Antifa is to blame for all the worldâs problemsâ.
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You just proved my point, for real. Thanks.
What point were you trying to make? I didnât read the entire conversation, rather I saw the post you made regarding assimilation and commented regarding the nature of Saudi Arabia/other similar countries.
Youâve priorly stated there are negative aspects within secular society, hence assimilating within modern sociocultural norms is a travesty (to you). I think whatever negative you percieve within modern society pales in comparison to third world countries running under the pretense of extreme religious influence. There are certain societies Iâd rather not assimilate within, societies with negative elements far greater than hedonism, polyamory and atheism (not that I consider any of these elements negative).