I can’t say I understand why mass would be done in Latin? I know one person total who at one point could read and speak a bit of Latin, and that is because he went to Catholic HS and it was a required course.
Out of tradition. Many reformed Jews who attend Saturday congregation don’t understand Hebrew though much of the prayer is in it.
I’m inclined to think that generally traditional practices keep certain people out.
I can understand that, but would not get much out of a service like that more than once or twice a year.
I am sure there is truth to that. That doesn’t jive with the particular brand of Christianity I grew up with. They said they wanted anyone who wanted to attend.
Yes, generally speaking religious people don’t mind people attending out of interest in Their religions. But a particular person is likely going to be on board with a certain sect or way of doing things and just how many religious rules they want to follow.
At a church not far from me, women are veiled at mass, and they aren’t permitted to wear form fitting dresses or any shirt with a neckline with more than the distance of the width of three fingers from the base of the neck. At Chabad synagogues, men and women are separated; at liberal ones, they’re not.
This falls right in line with what I said about religions building trust and bonds amongst adherents Along a moral code.
As what Brick said, but also there is such a thing as things being “lost in translation”
Some words and phrases translated from one language to another lose something…I think the Catholic Church threw in the towel when they realized after much, much time the general Catholic populace no longer understood a lick of Latin…
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I mean it is a dead language.
The Baptist school I went to had a really odd take that the KJV was the only trusted source of God’s word. All other sources were flawed. I don’t think they came to that conclusion in a sound way.
Sounds like they just don’t like the competition (looking at you Coptics)
I picture they went about it the way toothbrush marketers get you buy their toothbrush: “9 out of 10 Christians recommend KJV for all your bible needs*”
*only Baptists were polled for this study
The reality is that very few men would want to give up on women for life, and as you see now the ones that do are often into little kids or other men. It’s not new either, it has been going on for centuries if not right from the beginning. Remember that Constantine was one of the founders of the Catholic church, while still leading the Sol Invictus cult and pederasty and homosexuality were the norm in Rome.
Good point. If they start another inquisition there are plenty of people to burn at the stake.
Burn heretics, Muslims, and Jews at the stake, but child molesters get a slap on the wrist if the case can’t be covered up.
But if the council is made up of child molesters and Marxists then what use is it?
It really doesn’t make sense at all, if you don’t understand anything being said then what use it is to listen to it? They probably have some explanation to do with the holy spirit and this and that, but it makes no sense.
Apparently the same issue exists elsewhere too. Muslims in non-Arabic speaking countries memorize the Quran in Arabic, they know every word but not what it means. At one time the Ethiopian Orthodox church had their Bible written in Ge’ez and masses in the same language, another dead language that nobody but the clergy can understand. It was changed in the last century. People are following things that they know nothing about at all. Reminds me of Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
I missed this earlier.
I agree, and that is why I said previously that despite the criticisms and can be made of Christianity (including Catholicism) the alternative being presented to us are even worse. But the child molesting thing is really a big problem, they claim to represent God and morality and are engaging in and covering up sick shit like that. The church pedos really do deserve to be burned alive.
Probably apocryphal quote from Ross Douthat:
During a frustrating argument with a Roman Catholic cardinal, Napoleon Bonaparte supposedly burst out: “Your eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” The cardinal, the anecdote goes, responded ruefully: “Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.”
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I think the secular world should take a careful look in the mirror too, particularly boomers. If we use a balance sheet the results will be interesting.
There’s plenty of child molesting in public schools and the halls of secular power, for example.
The church hierarchy are often rotten, but probe any powerful body and the rot is the same.
That, and other pathologies and social problems that were created or exacerbated. I thought this since 2001, before even becoming Seriously interested in religion. Well, I had a small interest but it was only this year I decided to become religious and lost my atheism and concluded Satan currently has a grip on the world.
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What exactly are you insinuating?
It should be the opposite, the church should be an example (as they have claimed to be) for the rest of society. I think this celibacy thing is a real problem, straight men don’t molest kids (if you’re molesting kids then you aren’t straight), few straight men would be willing to live a life of celibacy, and the men most likely to be into this sort of thing are not straight at all. If they were then the Catholic church wouldn’t be full of gays either.
Shouldn’t they be made eunuchs or something?
Insinuating that much of the secular world criticized religions and cultures, much of it promotes and partakes in horrible things.
It’s my suspicion that modernists and secular people scott at tradition and religion because they both symbolize order and exclusion.
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The morality in Catholicism is the main positive aspect. Other than that the organization itself is rotten and has been from the start (Constatine simultaneously led the church and the Sol Invictus cult) and a lot of the traditions and rituals are based on paganism. Read The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop.
Mankind is a fallen creature.
FTFY
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Another thing to consider is that the Catholic church represented God and morality in the western world. Now thee church has been largely discredited in the eyes of the public, and as a result people have embraced atheism and immorality.
Going through a similar process of inching back to the pews myself.
I’ll have to think on this one.
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