Relieving T-Cyp-Induced High Blood Pressure?

You can’t lower your test dosage a little?

Im not sure you can walk fast enough to get the HR up.
You have to treat the heart just like you treat any muscle. It needs work and it needs progression.
You would need at least 20-30min a day at a heart rate of 121-129. But you also need at least 10-20 mins three times a week of some planned HIT workout that you plan to progress on. Like you need to TRAIN the heart for it to be better just like you train your other muscles. For example you do some bodyweight circuit with burpees and such, you can do like 2 rounds of stuff in 10min when you start and you are almost puking. So you will work up to 3-4 rounds in 20min, then squeeze in 3 rounds in 10, etc. So you need baseline work and you need progression. One builds the amount of blood the heart can pump and the other builds the force.

My BP was around 147. In three months doing this daily, my BP is down 20 solid points but sometimes i get BP readings as good as 117/60.
The hardest part is first month when you will feel like shit and will have to just push through.
If time is problem, take a break from regular gym stuff and make your heart healthy. No one dies from untrained biceps but you can die from an untrained heart.
Regular walking trains the heart just as much as carrying groceries trains chest and biceps. You wouldnt rely on that for your muscles so why do you treat your heart that way.

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It would be a problem if its just now. I believe the problem is that the heart has never gotten any stimulus to get strong and now it might be a cause for the BP. Not because you didnt have time this month but probably cause you NEVER spent much tought on it :slight_smile:

Lowered it to 150mg and put my test levels at 780 so not sure I wanna go lower than that.

Are you after symptom resolution or high numbers on paper?

A little bit of both. When my numbers are high I do experience puffy nips and water retention

There’s a mentality out there that if a little testosterone makes me feel better, more is better and this can trap you into an endless cycle of side effects reappearing while you’re possibly dragging your health in the wrong direction.

Your estrogen is 12, which doesn’t bode well for bone, brain and cardiovascular health.

These AI’s were never meant for long term use and while some men can get away with using an AI, others may not be so lucky.

Yea that was the goal to drop my test dose to a dose where I know long need the ai.

That e2 needs to go up. I have 15ng/dl e2 at the moment and I don’t remember having neck and back of the head frequent headaches before with e2 at 28 or 32. Not doing TRT.

Well, I was expecting TRT to give me the energy and stamina to seriously take up regular, strenuous exercise. That’s why I started it in the first place. Here in NY, it is hard enough to start trt because of these oppressive regulations on controlled substances. I had to beg my Endocrinologist, BEG! for him to take over TRT so that I don’t have to deal with an out-of-state T-mill. This way I could at least see my doctor face-to-face.

 Most of my life my T was very low!  Even though I was skinnier in my youth, my T was very low for most of my life, until now when I started some serious TRT therapy.   It won't be easy, it won't happen overnight, but I am hoping to get to a point that would resemble a Crossfitter.  That sounds grandiose - but I always wanted it.

That’s what TRT has done for me. Yesterday I curled for an hour, the first 35 minutes I pushed myself until I almost passed out but just kept pushing myself until I no longer felt like passing out.

I clearly pushed myself hard enough for my body to adapt and was able to push past it. I guess having my Total T at 1052 ng/dL and Free T at 33.6 (7.0 - 36.7 ng/dL) calculated helps.

After 2 hours of recovering, my energy was fully restored, good thing to because I have to go to work which is a lot of cardio.

I’m on Jatenzo at 237 mg twice daily.

Well that would depend on WHY you didnt have the energy in the first place.
You see, if the engine is appropriate then jet fuel will let it fly. If the engine is a broken down KIA, jet fuel wont change shit, right?

I am like a broken old record here, but everytime someone says he wants to do TRT because he lacks energy or feels like crap i always ask - has the person studied food and is eating appropriate to have the energy? I ask - is he doing required amounts and types of cardio to have the work capacity and recovery ability?
Most times the answer is just like in this case - NO.
The thing is that everyone is ok to stick a needle in their ass, but wont fucking run for 30mins.

SOMETIMES, it is true, when a person has done everything right - he has put in the work, the food, the water, the natural supps and the sleep for a year and nothing has changed. Then you add TRT to the mix, and if hormones was the problem, they get the benefit.
But if you are eating garbage macros, not drink enough water every day, dont meditate,dont do breathing exercises, dont sleep enough, and dont train for that stamina and recovery, the problem might not be hormonal.
The hormone levels are very individual - there are people who have more, some have less, it doesnt really mean anything. Someone might a the maximum levels and still be in shit shape, some in the lower end might be a machine.

The energy and the stamina is something people WORK for. Most cases a needle of steroids wont fix it. You will have to suffer through and DO THE WORK.
“I dont have the energy” is something every athlete battles with every day. The question is - will you say you dont have the energy and just sit on your ass, or you will understand that you dont have the energy, and do something so you might have it in 3-6 months?

Not to be an asshole, but people often say they have low t and need TRT because they are too lazy to do the actual work. Most of these “low energy” people have never done shit to fix it. You think powerlifters always feel strong? No, sometimes they probably rather suck a dick than squat, but they just go and squat anyway.
How we feel about the exercise doesnt change the facts about the exercise.

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OKAY. That’s what this is all about. I get it now.

Maybe I never made clear the fact that - for the last 10+ years (BEFORE my 30th birthday) my blood tests for bound/free T have been consistently deficient. Here is an example, although I’ve seen many tests reporting all the way down to 211.:

Now, with such low Testosterone as you see in the picture - would YOU be able to just "Pull yourself up by you Bootstraps" and go pump enough Iron until you vomit all over the gym?

Before us Americans were cursed with Obamacare, I used to visit some real high-end “Alternative medical” doctors. Below are 3 of their tests which we cannot force our shitty insurances to pay for nowadays! They are also serious problems I’ve had for more than 15 years. They include the MTHFR genetic defect (C677T homozygous) I inherited from my dad, high C-reactive protein, high homocysteine — all 3 never go away no matter what supplements or vitamins I take:

P.S.- Hank - Do you REALLY live in Latvia? If so, do you realize how backwards our (USA) healthcare system is compared to yours? You don’t know how FUCKING LUCKY you are to receive European-standard of health care!

First of all your T is in the range. Just because you would want to see it in the high end, it doesnt mean you are critical. You are lower end of NORMAL. Not below. You are making it sound like you are some sort of anomaly or handicaped. You are NORMAL. Within range. Yes you might not have the levels of a 19 yr old athlete, but you are not an invalid who cant do anything. Now putting in WORK those levels of yours would also improve. Read up on how heavy lifts and cardio improve testosterone. That combined with a correct diet for your goals and your natural will be mid-range normal.

As far as healthcare in Latvia…well…lol.
You do know there isnt even such a term as hrt or trt here. There are no clinics that work in that field, no anti aging stuff or anything.
Before joining this forum i didnt even know that legal TRT would exist somewhere.
If you go do bloodwork here and ask for test, e2, gh or any important hormones the staff are looking up in handbooks for how to find that in their computer, lol.

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Even if this is true, don’t ever admit to it again, unless you are Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, etc. Maybe Arnold.

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I have an Achilles heel, I’m all in or not at all. I’m either trying to fix my diabetes or not at all.

I’ve tried both and we know how the latter worked out.

All I can tell you is I pushed past something and my body adapted to what I was doing. I left the gym sore and swollen.

It was all about reps, I started out with heavy weights, when I couldn’t do anymore, I switched to lighter weights to finish off off each set of reps.

I’m squatting today and I go to the gym everyday.

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ACE/ARB, Cialis/Viagra, beta blockers, etc