Reduced Mental Capacity After Workout

[quote]oldnotdead wrote:
Cold intolerance,fatigue,lethargy,slow cerebration with poor memory maybe subclinical hypothyroidism due to hyponatremia from peeing out every hour with ++ water in-take at the work out. Not a diagnosis just a question, I would go see the GP.[/quote]

I had my hormones checked this past summer and everything was normal, but yeah I’ll ask the GP about this

You lift twice a week? Those two days are probably hard as shit. spread it out

[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
You lift twice a week? Those two days are probably hard as shit. spread it out[/quote]

They aren’t bad in terms of length. Usually 2 compound movements and 2-3 accessories. Lasts ~45 min including warm up. As I mentioned, I’m currently doing low volume.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Jab1 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
You’re 165 pounds and you’re eating 3,000-4,000 cals a day from all “clean” meals and no cheat foods? really? are you running half marathons every day or something?
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I’m 176 and eat 3000 just to maintain my weight… And he is much leaner.

OP have you tried working out in the evening a couple hours before bed? Change of time might help. [/quote]

So you weigh more than him, eat less than him and are fatter than he is? Why are you comparing your circumstances to his again?[/quote]
You made it sound like he was eating a crazy amount, I was just saying that as someone close to his weight that it seems completely believable to me because of what I eat. Typically leaner people can get away with eating more too.

Why the aggression Holmes, it was simple comment. Step away from the keyboard and count to ten or something.

[quote]NaturalBeasting wrote:

[quote]Jab1 wrote:
OP have you tried working out in the evening a couple hours before bed? Change of time might help. [/quote]

Yeah, it helps in that I don’t have to deal with the intense mental exhaustion for long before sleeping. But I feel most energetic in the morning and usually feel sluggish by evening, which tends to affect my lifts. This may end up being the best ‘fix’ if all else fails.[/quote]
Sounds like you tend to just get more sluggish over the day anyway… Which I think is pretty normal, I’m always most alert in morning. Priorities I guess, put what you need to focus most on in the morning?

This used to happen to me all the time and still does. Not for 1-2 days after maybe an hour or two after a workout.

When I was in college I had to have all my work done before practice or it wouldn’t get done. Can’t focus once my adrenaline gets going.

Even today I have to park in the same spot when I have games cause I can’t remember where I parked if I don’t.
I also drive insanely slow after a workout again because im in a fog.

This has been happening to me all my life.

I would just work out at night if I were you. get all your school work done during the day. The 1-2 day thing is a bit alarming if that continues I would seek a professional opinion cause thats just not right.

[quote]Jab1 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Jab1 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
You’re 165 pounds and you’re eating 3,000-4,000 cals a day from all “clean” meals and no cheat foods? really? are you running half marathons every day or something?
[/quote]
I’m 176 and eat 3000 just to maintain my weight… And he is much leaner.

OP have you tried working out in the evening a couple hours before bed? Change of time might help. [/quote]

So you weigh more than him, eat less than him and are fatter than he is? Why are you comparing your circumstances to his again?[/quote]
You made it sound like he was eating a crazy amount, I was just saying that as someone close to his weight that it seems completely believable to me because of what I eat. Typically leaner people can get away with eating more too.

Why the aggression Holmes, it was simple comment. Step away from the keyboard and count to ten or something.[/quote]
It’s not aggression, you just said something kinda stupid,

Huh, I was actually looking into this just now in the internet. I’ve experienced the same thing. My gym was being renovated so I couldn’t go there for awhile, but went for occasional jogs. Then two days ago I went there and did a pretty heavy squat+chest workout. And felt a strong brainfog for a day, and still harder to concentrate (day three).

I’ve been trying to find out if it’s due to the heavy neural demand of multiple squat sets etc, or if I’ve had low blood sugar, but I’ve been trying to eat as much as I can.

Another option is that it’s caused by the protein shake I consume.

I will have to investigate this more, I had similar experience when doing heavy deadlifts, but I haven’t done them in a while. So I’m leaning more towards the heavy neural demand, though I’m curious if the body will adapt to this, or if I’ve been the past three years in lower mental capacity, due to heavy “neural” workouts (big compound lifts multiple sets).

Next thing Im going to do is repeat my workout next week, and not take protein shake, see how I feel.
If I still feel the same, I will have to lower the amount of sets for compound lifts, and see if it helps, or maybe start doing MAX-OT style of training maybe - short workouts spread across 5d a week.

curious to hear other peoples thoughts on this…

Haven’t read the thread really but if a heavy strength-based training session doesn’t affect your cognitive abilities negatively, then you are not training hard enough. How long the effect is depends on many variables. Hypertrophy sessions are a lot more forgiving in that regard.

Look into doing some meditation for twenty minutes a day… Most mental exhaustion can be from over thinking and being in your thoughts too much, A mind is a great tool to solve problems or create ideas but it starts having really negative effects on cognitive function and well being when you can’t stop thinking.

I find this, too.

I’m currently writing my PhD thesis… Which requires a lot in the way of concentrated attention and mental focus.

If I have an intense training session in the morning it wipes me out for the rest of the day.

One thing I’ve learned: Study is kind of like squats. Know how sometimes with heavy squats your body is all like ‘not today, I can’t do this today’ and it wines and moans… Then you end up going on to do the best squat session ever and maybe hit a PR? Sometimes I feel dumb and slow and lethargic when it comes to study. But I do my study anyway… Then I end up making significant progress that day.

Another thing i’ve learned: If I’m training intensely I think about it a lot. Anticipating the next session. Remembering the last. Also focused on seeing how my body is feeling. How my hip flexors are doing after those squats or whatever. Making minor adjustments to my posture. Just more generally focused on my body and aware of what it is up to. Study involves… Tuning out from all of that… Forgetting my posture enough to get totally absorbed in my work…

I do better to train in the evenings then make myself get up with an alarm in the morning… Ritual. Routine. Doing your work (your squats, your study) when it is scheduled and not worrying about how you FEEL about it. Objectively… How is your progress doing? (Your grades, your progress towards your training goals)?

What’s your PhD thesis over!? Do you think you’ll wow your committee!?

My dream is to get a PhD some day, but I got my MS non-thesis so I worry that door’s permanently shut :frowning:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
What’s your PhD thesis over!? Do you think you’ll wow your committee!?

My dream is to get a PhD some day, but I got my MS non-thesis so I worry that door’s permanently shut :([/quote]

Try Europe, I’m sure they’ll open doors to exotic 'Mericans if you have a decent GPA

The aim isn’t for me to wow my committee, it is to convince them that I have contributed something towards the progression of the field. We stand not on the shoulders of giants, but the shoulders of countless ordinary individuals… A research masters is not a pre-req for entry to a PhD program. You want to consider very carefully your reasons for doing PhD.

Too many people are regretting having started them - then end up with a lot of years of what looks like ‘wasted time’ in their resume. Apply for programs… If you don’t get a fully funded scholarship (paying your fees and a living stipend) then take the hint: The field is telling you something.

When you say take a hint, the field is trying to tell you something does that mean they don’t really want you but are happy to have your money or that the particular field of study is a dry well as far as funding and careers go?

And in the field at the school I got my masters, they actually won’t let someone pursue a PhD unless they got a thesis during their Masters program. But it’s good to know there might be other places to look.

Research science has always been my dream and from all the job openings I’ve seen that involve research they all want a PhD and publications that further the field or a Masters with tons of experience in that particular niche.

Unfortunately, due to my health falling apart (nervous stomach syndrome) and personal situations (dangerous sociopath with a vendetta against me), I didn’t get an outstanding GPA for my MS but I did get above 3.0. I’m not so certain that would get me any scholarships for a PhD…

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
When you say take a hint, the field is trying to tell you something does that mean they don’t really want you but are happy to have your money or that the particular field of study is a dry well as far as funding and careers go?

And in the field at the school I got my masters, they actually won’t let someone pursue a PhD unless they got a thesis during their Masters program. But it’s good to know there might be other places to look.

Research science has always been my dream and from all the job openings I’ve seen that involve research they all want a PhD and publications that further the field or a Masters with tons of experience in that particular niche.

Unfortunately, due to my health falling apart (nervous stomach syndrome) and personal situations (dangerous sociopath with a vendetta against me), I didn’t get an outstanding GPA for my MS but I did get above 3.0. I’m not so certain that would get me any scholarships for a PhD…[/quote]

What field were you in? If you are ready to change countries, you could try applying to UK first (easier transition) and then Northern countries (free education if you get accepted): Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and they all speak better English than French, German or Spanish people (due to not having dubbed TV-shows)…

Environmental science.

I was thinking about academic careers - there are (always) more (funded) slots available in PhD programs than there are academic jobs available out the other end of it. I suppose it is possible that one could turn things around… But generally… The best predictor of future performance is past performance…

Something like environmental science is different insofar as there is an industry for the field. What do you actually want to do at the end of the day? Look into whether doing a PhD is going to help you do what it is that you actually want to do - because some people finish and find that their field HATES to see PhD on their resume (seriously, for a whole bunch of reasons that just pisses them off). And you can’t just leave it off because it will have CONSUMED you for… Between 3-9 years of your life. Probably more on the latter end of that (if you hope to get out a really good thesis / develop your reputation). If you don’t have a extraordinary strong motivation… You aren’t likely to finish. Because there will be times when it looks like you have nothing. Everything you have done is shit. Your adviser hates you. Everyone hates you. You are poor as fuck. YOu look at what people around you are acomplishing… WIth their careers… The development of job security. Families etc. And you wonder… Uh… Why are you doing this, again?

One option (if you really want to pull things around) would be to do another Masters. ‘Environmental Science’… I guess there are a bunch of different aspects to that… From geology to ecology to… You get the idea. Or a post-grad diploma or something… Don’t think that it is easier to just do a PhD then to look for a job. It might be easier now… But it won’t be easier later, for sure.

Research science has always been my dream and from all the job openings I’ve seen that involve research they all want a PhD and publications that further the field or a Masters with tons of experience in that particular niche.

Ah. Sorry, I just saw this.

If you are serious about research…

You need to go to the highest ranked program you can get into… Balanced with people who are working in an area that you are keen on. You want to work with the best people in the field in the hope that… They come to accept you as one of them. No point being the biggest fish in a small pond polluted with low productivity… Fields do become something of a who’s who. Talk is cheap, you see. People will talk about how they work hard on their squats till the cows come home… And people will talk about how they want careers in research… It is a ‘put up or shut up’ kind of a situation. Nobody will fund you to do research until you have proven that you consistently do high quality work. That they will get something for their money. More people want to do it than ultimately get to… And competition is fierce…

If you are serious and you have some funds… The thing to do is to go to the best program you can to do a research Masters. Then you will get to know the researchers there. If they write you a reference it will MEAN something.

Research jobs… You go (internationally) where you are lucky enough to get them… It is an international job market. You will be competing against students from the top programs from all around the world.

Industry is different. Talk to people from your field… But be aware that if you are from a lowly ranked program they might have no idea of why their status is low or they might think that the community has been unfair to them or… None of that matters with respect to YOU getting a job out the other end, though.

Talk to the people currently doing their PhD from your uni. Check out their webpages, email them, shout them a coffee or preferably a beer and get them talking. What do they think?? (Be aware of egos) Luck.