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Venezuela is not socialist. They are a social democracy. Besides, are you really going to compare the US to Venezuela in terms of contributions? I’m sure we’ve given much more than Mexico too, but no one is saying “See! That’s where capitalism gets you! You can’t give as much as the USA!”

Oh, those powerful, evil unions! If only we could break them up!

So the unions should make sacrifices, but not business? They need to tighten their belt, but if AIG or Bank of America decides to pay out an average of $400,000 in bonuses to every employee, that’s just the cost of doing business, right? That’s a nice double standard there. You complain about them, but it sounds to me like maybe more Americans should be in unions.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Oh, those powerful, evil unions! If only we could break them up!

So the unions should make sacrifices, but not business? They need to tighten their belt, but if AIG or Bank of America decides to pay out an average of $400,000 in bonuses to every employee, that’s just the cost of doing business, right? That’s a nice double standard there. You complain about them, but it sounds to me like maybe more Americans should be in unions.
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How fucking stupid are you? Unions kill jobs. Why do you want Americans to become slaves? Is it because you are too stupid to do anything else.

You don’t understand economics and have to resort to emotional debates, which leads me to believe that you have not lived on your own yet(and I mean really lived on your own not in college). I can make a pretty compelling emotional argument for just about anything if I don’t use facts, like you seem unable too.

If the markets where left alone those businesses wouldn’t have been able to give themselves that money. This is government creating problems so government can fix them.

Oh, if that’s what Uncle Mises say!

You need to look at the real world instead of masturbating to the fantasies of others. Unions “kill jobs” only to the extent that capitalist businesses refuse to pay a decent wage. Again, capitalism is the problem. Chart:

Read it and weep, jackass. Unions are the most effective way to keep corporations in check, and they actually do a lot of good by keeping wages up, and therefore buying power up, and therefore reducing the likliehood of a crash due to low demand. This used to happen all the time, but of course you’re too busy emoting on the Internet to read history.

Seeing as it’s been your guys in charge for the past, oh, 200 years or so, you have a lot more explaining to do than me. You are the one who says Americans should just consent to further and further wage cuts and constantly diminishing relative wealth. Work harder, support the rich! Who is really advocating slavery here?

I’m not an expert, but I doesn’t take much to see that the emperor, in fact, has no clothes on. You on the other hand, never cease talking about how beautiful his robes are.

He says, in the middle of a sobbing outburst.

Yeah, I can see that.

That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. The markets WERE left alone. This is one more cowardly attempt to avoid accepting any criticism of the system.

Ever heard of Maytag stupid? Their is a town 15 minutes from where I live that had the plant close because Unions killed it.

Maybe in a few years when you live on your own you will figure things out.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. The markets WERE left alone. This is one more cowardly attempt to avoid accepting any criticism of the system.
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Look at the community reinvestment act you moron. this is two threads tonight I have proved you wrong in, may just want to take your losses and head somewhere else.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Ever heard of Maytag stupid? Their is a town 15 minutes from where I live that had the plant close because Unions killed it.

Maybe in a few years when you live on your own you will figure things out.[/quote]

Exactly like I was saying, thanks for proving my point. Capitalism was incapable on giving them a reasonable wage.

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. The markets WERE left alone. This is one more cowardly attempt to avoid accepting any criticism of the system.
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Look at the community reinvestment act you moron. this is two threads tonight I have proved you wrong in, may just want to take your losses and head somewhere else.[/quote]

Proven me worng? How? Where? By saying the words “Community Reinvestment Act?” What the fuck does that even mean? You know that, even to the extent that it was enforced, it didn’t lead to more loans in the affected areas, right? Let me guess, you simply heard some right-wing parrot head say it, and that was good enough for you? You know it’s been around since 1977, right? You know something, right?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

You know, no conservative has ever given any money to charity. [/quote]

Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly get any more retarded.
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Making stupid, sweeping generalizations sure is annoying, isn’t it? How come no one complained when Maximus did it?[/quote]

That is because “conservatives” give more toi charity than “liberals”, always have, always will.

Funny how that works, huh?

Those people who think that “the government” should fix it cannot be bothered to use their own time and money to help their fellow human beings whereas right wing, religious nutjobs make it their personal responsibility.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Ever heard of Maytag stupid? Their is a town 15 minutes from where I live that had the plant close because Unions killed it.

Maybe in a few years when you live on your own you will figure things out.[/quote]

Exactly like I was saying, thanks for proving my point. Capitalism was incapable on giving them a reasonable wage.[/quote]

Yeah well, capitalkis allocates resources and you cannot allocate what is not there, plain and simple.

Furthermore, what you deem to be “reasonable” is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, the market tells you what is reasonable for a specific skill set, not the other way around.

If your skill set is not enough to for a “reasonable” living that is the market telling you that you need to change.

Now you could, for a while, pretend that this is not so, and then watch your company crumble because the underlying economic reality has not changed.

Ryan,

If companies like AIG have paid back all their TARP money, I don’t see why we should regulate how they spend their money. Since they paid back all the TARP, it truly is all their money. What you are referring to is what would be nice versus what is legal.

As far as why do I get away with making some kind of “generalization,” perhaps it isn’t a generalization if everyone agrees with me. Ryan, in case you haven’t noticed, it seems that you are the one who just doesn’t “get it.” When you have so many people disagreeing with you, there comes a point where perhaps you should look at your opinion and re-evaluate it. Not saying you have to change it, that’s your choice.

What? I was sure that there must have been a cast of thousands backing Mr MrCarter up in his many assertions and “analyses.”

I just figured they must all be on my Ignore list and are never quoted by anyone, so I never see them.

You mean to say that that cast of thousands doesn’t exist?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

Proven me worng? How? Where? By saying the words “Community Reinvestment Act?” What the fuck does that even mean? You know that, even to the extent that it was enforced, it didn’t lead to more loans in the affected areas, right? Let me guess, you simply heard some right-wing parrot head say it, and that was good enough for you? You know it’s been around since 1977, right? You know something, right?
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The community Reinvestment act made it so banks where forced to give out loans they normally wouldn’t. Add that too the 1% interest rates and you get the housing bubble. This is all government made. Perhaps learning about what happened before you talk about it would be a good start.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Ever heard of Maytag stupid? Their is a town 15 minutes from where I live that had the plant close because Unions killed it.

Maybe in a few years when you live on your own you will figure things out.[/quote]

Exactly like I was saying, thanks for proving my point. Capitalism was incapable on giving them a reasonable wage.[/quote]

These guys had everything, 10 dollar deductible, pension that paid them full pay. Making more money then they ever should have. Socialism killed the buisness and anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass around here admits to it. Capitalism gave them the job, socialism killed it. These guys where able to buy a new car every 2 years. They where greedy and paid the price, if they would have followed Capitalism they would have been fine.

They’re hiding Bill.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

You know, no conservative has ever given any money to charity. [/quote]

Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly get any more retarded.
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Making stupid, sweeping generalizations sure is annoying, isn’t it? How come no one complained when Maximus did it?[/quote]

That is because “conservatives” give more toi charity than “liberals”, always have, always will.

Funny how that works, huh?

Those people who think that “the government” should fix it cannot be bothered to use their own time and money to help their fellow human beings whereas right wing, religious nutjobs make it their personal responsibility.[/quote]

Prove it. This is not Mises.org, when you make a positive statement, you need to back it up.

Otherwise, I could just continue to say, “Liberals give 10,000x more to charity than conservatives,” and you couldn’t argue with me.

Aw, boo hoo! Is this the same capitalism that pays the average CEO between 300 and 400 times the annual salary of a starting worker? Enough with the double standards. CEOs, management, and stockholders pillage companies and it’s “the invisible hand will take care of it,” but a union does the same thing to a FAR lesser extent and they “kill the business?” You need to come up with some CONSISTENT set of standards by which to judge things. Who knows? If that companies’ managers had taken a 5-10% pay cut, maybe the workers could have all gotten a raise. Yet it wasn’t THEIR greed that killed the business, it was the much lower-paid workers?

You won’t listen to me, but how about Adam Smith?

“We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of the workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject.”

He also noted that there were no laws against combining to lower the price of work, but many against combining to raise it.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

You know, no conservative has ever given any money to charity. [/quote]

Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly get any more retarded.
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Making stupid, sweeping generalizations sure is annoying, isn’t it? How come no one complained when Maximus did it?[/quote]

That is because “conservatives” give more toi charity than “liberals”, always have, always will.

Funny how that works, huh?

Those people who think that “the government” should fix it cannot be bothered to use their own time and money to help their fellow human beings whereas right wing, religious nutjobs make it their personal responsibility.[/quote]

Prove it. This is not Mises.org, when you make a positive statement, you need to back it up.

Otherwise, I could just continue to say, “Liberals give 10,000x more to charity than conservatives,” and you couldn’t argue with me.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

Conservatives more liberal givers
March 27, 2008
By George Will

WASHINGTON -- Residents of Austin, Texas, home of the state's government and flagship university, have very refined social consciences, if they do say so themselves, and they do say so, speaking via bumper stickers. Don R. Willett, a justice of the state Supreme Court, has commuted behind bumpers proclaiming "Better a Bleeding Heart Than None at All," "Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless Beauty," "The Moral High Ground Is Built on Compassion," "Arms Are For Hugging," "Will Work (When the Jobs Come Back From India)," "Jesus Is a Liberal," "God Wants Spiritual Fruits, Not Religious Nuts," "The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans," "Republicans Are People Too -- Mean, Selfish, Greedy People" and so on. But Willett thinks Austin subverts a stereotype: "The belief that liberals care more about the poor may scratch a partisan or ideological itch, but the facts are hostile witnesses."

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.

Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals' and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and half of America's richest households live in states where both senators are Democrats.

While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon -- a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes. Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." Brooks, however, warns: "If support for a policy that does not exist ... substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others."

In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income, one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.

When I think about what Al Gore’s income must be and how little of it he is willing to give away to help make a personal difference in changing the wrongs that almost all of us would agree exist in this country, well, it pisses me off. That anyone can admire this man – this very embodiment of hypocrisy (in a wide range of disciplines) – amazes me.

This is the same guy who castigates the rest of us for the little things we do in our everyday lives and yet whose carbon footprint would stamp a ****ed-fancy tootsie-size swimming pool that all of our kids (and all of their friends) could splash in.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18218

Conservative vs Liberal Ideologies

All of you have heard the saying: "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime." Conservatives not only want to teach all citizens to fish, Conservatives want to make sure that everyone has a fishing pole and they want to make sure that the river is loaded with fish, so that anyone who is willing to fish cannot help catching all the fish he wants. Liberals, on the other hand, want the government to catch all the fish and they want the American people to have to go to the government and ask for a fish. What liberals want is the definition oof 'SOCIALISM'.

Conservatives want to create a situation where anyone who is willing and able to work can find a well paying job. Liberals don't want that because it would create a situation where no one would need their liberal programs and no one would need them, hence (10% unemployment and rising under Obamanomics).

If you hear a liberal talking about the founding fathers of our country, you'll notice they they don't say anything positive about them: Jessie Jackson, "Ho..Ho..Ho..Western Civilization has got to Go". There is a reason for this. The Constitution and government the founding fathers gave this country is the exact opposite of what liberals believe in.

The religion of liberals is big government. Most of the citizens of the United States are Christians. Why do you think liberals oppose prayer in schools? Why do liberals oppose displays of the 10 Commandments? Christianity flies in the face of the religion of big government.

What liberals fail to understand is that the Invisible Hand of the marketplace works much better than the heavy hand of the government in solving problems of individuals as well as the problems of society. While Ronald Reagan's tax cuts caused revenue to the government to double, charitable contributions tripled.

What Conservatives offer the citizens of this country is the freedom to live their lives as they wish to live them. 

http://philanthropy.com/article/Charitys-Political-Divide/54871/

Finally, thank you! Now was that so hard?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Finally, thank you! Now was that so hard?[/quote]

You totally miss, or ignore, the fact that it was you who presented the opposite as fact, without any proof other than your assertion.

The fact that conservatives are significantly more giving in everything from money, to time to blood has been so thoroughly covered in all media that I assumed your were just trolling again.

You do this so often that I usually assume it is simply for the “troll” value and therefore often ignore it.