Why aren’t eggs and chicken part of the extreme end of carnivore?
Eggs can be highly allergenic for some folks with autoimmune issues, so they would be omitted in those circumstances. However, if you don’t have such issues then I’d suggest they are almost a mandatory food on carnivore. There are less issues with chicken. However, the wide-scale practice of feeding chicken (and pork) with grain means these animals now have much higher levels of polyunsaturated fat (PUFAs) in them. That’s a whole separate topic on it’s own.
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If I wanted to learn more what authors or works would you recommend? I’m not looking to go carnivore but might be a fun experiment in the future and otherwise knowledge is rarely bad
Paul Saladino - Carnivore Code.
Most of the knowledge is available on Youtube. Check either him, Ken Berry or Shawn Baker
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With what you’ve learned do you believe intra-day metabolic flexibility as described by Scott Stevenson in Fortitude Training is possible?
What do you mean? Daily undulating training?
No, if you read Fortitude Training it has a section dedicated to diet where Scott prefers to go with protein/fat all day until the workout at which point the Intra workout shake contains carbs as does the two meals after the workout.
Sorry pwn for hijacking your log…
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More training, then I’ll get back to the discussion
EARLY AM WORKOUT (0440)
(3) DB Incline Bench 105s
1x14
1x10
1x8
Swiss bar incline bench 205
2x10
1x8
Axle bench press 210+chains
1x10
1x8
1x7
Pull ups between sets of benching
5x9
4x8
1x10
Dips
1x44
1x37
1x32
1x33
Poundstone Curls
1x123
CONDITIONING
20 minute-ish weighted vest walk with the dogs (45lb vest)
Notes: 2:30 between sets of benching, 2:00 between first 2 sets of dips, 90 seconds for last 2 sets. Going to stick with 90 seconds or less on the dips from now on: I’m losing time on them and they really don’t need that much rest. Saw progress on the DB benching and incline benching, which bodes well. Still rotating between incline and flat bench, but I’m thinking next training cycle of always ending with the flat bench so I can rest pause reps on it on the final set and really get some volume in on it.
DBs and bench angle are at the point where occasionally I struggle to get the bells into place. Next training wave will really get interesting. I’m still trying to get it on the Ironmaster drawing fro dumbbells: fingers crossed.
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@samul Regarding the pot roast: I’ve never seared the meat and still enjoyed the end product immensely, but I have simple tastes. I use water or beef broth and an onion soup mix for flavor. When it’s done, I’ll add salt, and often mix it with the American delicacy that is ketchup (sugar free for me). To die for. You’re correct that I’m not familiar with a rice cooker, but my wife was born and raised in Hawaii and it’s a big part of her diet, so she’s a master with a rice cooker. Definitely a solid way to make a lot of it in short order.
For storing leftovers, I like glass containers with sealed lids. Used plastics for a long time and never cared for them: switched everything over to glass and it’s been a lifesaver. Fridge works fine. In truth, when I was gaining, leftovers didn’t last long, haha.
If you want a good chili recipe, know where you can find it? Powerlifting Basics Texas Style! Haha. Otherwise, my wife makes a great slow cooker chicken chili that is basically no prep. Pretty sure it’s just chicken breasts, can of kidney beans, can of ranch beans, can of tomatos and taco seasoning all mixed together. Great sour cream delivery mechanism.
@Voxel I am still losing weight, but not by choice. I originally started in March after my competition was canceled and I no longer needed to be up a weight class, and around the time I was ready to stop I got the word on my blood lipids and decided to keep up with the weight loss at that point as it was just one more thing I could do to improve health markers. It’s been over 5 months of dieting right now, and as much as the eating doesn’t bother me, the training that I have to do during this is driving me nuts. I need to build, rather than maintain.
Definitely appreciate the offer, but I’m good. Such an approach wouldn’t fit with my goals at the moment.
@flappinit Totally missed the post about walking the pugs the first time, haha. I had a co-worker that observed me with the dogs and said it looked like “The Incredible Hulk walking a chihuahua.”
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I love Scott Stevenson’s work but do not subscribe to his views on nutrition. The first time I read about that was back in the day with John Berardi. It probably has some value assuming adequate gaps between feedings. Without getting drawn into yet another debate about carbs, it has been demonstrated that minimal are actually required for your average bodybuilding workout. While the idea of post-workout CHO has been almost effectively debunked, although I fully understand why people want to consume them at this time.
Yeah, sorry for hijacking the thread. Poor etiquette by us.
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Appreciate the sentiment gents. I invited the conversation with my inquiry, and it’s definitely been a fascinating bit of convo. I’m a big fan of lower carb approaches as is, so it fits the narrative of the log pretty well. But it could also be a great topic of it’s own to get even more voices on the matter, as I’m still pretty caveman-esque in my nutrition, haha.
As an aside, I buy a month’s supply of Biotest’s “Alpha Male” with the labor day sale, and will begin it’s use once I get it. Between that and the apple cider vinegar, I’m becoming quite the supplement junkie. I’m just chasing new stuff in all sorts of directions. I am curious about starting a ZMA supplement as well, but I want to let things have a chance to work/not work before I introduce even more stuff.
I DO want to get in the habit of taking the ACV before my higher carb meals as well, as right now I just take it before bed, but that requires REMEMBERING to take it before the higher carb meals, so there’s that.
ACV together with carbs only make sense if outside the peri-workout window if I recall correctly.
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The reason would be because its appetite suppressing
https://jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)00547-X/fulltext
It’s amazing how much about nutrition is about that, haha. I’ve just learned to be hungry.
Started my 12 hour fast (again) before my labs for tomorrow. Fingers crossed everything goes smooth this time.
Ordered an 80lb weighted vest, because I’ve been digging these weighted vest walks and would like to keep them up and make them challenging.
Bought a multi vitamin today and will start taking that tomorrow. I’m just changing stuff everywhere.
And I’m finding myself just thinking about food ALL the time, which means I need to watch myself when I turn on the “gain weight” signal. I could easily undo all the time with some concentrated binging. I’m too good at eating big: moderation is going to be my finest challenge.
Curious about where you ordered your vest from and the type? I’ve been looking for a while. Backpack is getting tore up and carrying kids only works when they want to go for a walk.
That’s going to be sweet. I’ve got a 60lb vest and getting it on is an adventure in itself haha. An 80 would leave my traps crying.
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You guys didn’t get loadable vests? Mine caps out at 30kg and is loaded with 1kg bricks. Slinging on 16 kg is easy, but if I need to go heavier I’ll fill the back side and put it on and add in the final 15. Or just press it fully stocked like a barbell and BTN eccentric to put it on.
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How much are you aiming to gain per week? If you’d like I could try and clean up my Google Sheet (note: I’m not the original designer) that from daily weigh-ins tracks a moving average of 5 and 7 days respectively. And there’s a column “lost/wk” where you could see if you are being as moderate with your weight gain as you intend to be.
Here’s what it looks like,
If one forgets to weigh in I just add a row and crudely interpolate between weigh-ins. If you want it I’d change the colourings. It was originally designed around weight loss, hence the column “lost/wk” rather than “change/wk” and the color-coding (red means weight gain, green means weight loss or no change)
It automatically yields weekly stats,
and graphs,
Based around kilos though, but I don’t forsee a reason it wouldn’t gladly accept lbs instead. Either way, the only edits someone else using it would have to do would be changing the range at which the charts look. So, manually change the y-axis from 70-80 to whatever weight-range they happen to be in. And change the text kg/day to lbs/day.