Damn, yeah. First thing I thought was, “with that dosage, Jack must be at 1000+.” Then when I saw 650-800, I thought, “must be SHBG.” But seems like that’s not relevant. What is your free level? E2?
How are you feeling at 750? Must be killing it in the gym and in the gains department!
Free test is usually right near the top of range. I don’t remember the values. I try to keep e2 around 25.
When I blast test it’s ok. I prefer how I feel on 250, but if I’m trying to put on size extra test is helpful. I’m just a little more on edge with that much test. I get aggravated a little easier. The biggest difference is I have way more staying power with workouts. I can push through really tough sessions easier. I also feel like I need more sleep when blasting. Only real down side is that o deal with body acne a bit when my test levels get up there. I’ll only do it for 12 weeks or so though.
Yep, I saw this when I was on the cream (and presumably my levels were higher). I’ve never had body acne, even when I was in high school, but I got it all over my back. Are you concerned at all about long-term sides with that high of a dose? That’s the only reason I personally wouldn’t do it.
I sure wouldn’t stay on this dose forever. 200-250 is my sweet spot I think. I’ll blast up once or twice a year. I’m not too concerned about sides. My labs are always really good. Lipids profile and other cardiovascular markers are spot on.
Very glad to hear that! I might end up trying a blast at some point. Did you work up to blasting that high, or just make the jump?
Bkb333, how old are you man? I’m 33 and trying to optimize everything before I consider jumping on TRT.
Rad progress bro. You are getting much bigger than before. What’s your diet looking like ? I’m going to start eating a bit more protein and fix my nutrition to speed up my work.
Ihad great libido month 1 and 2 on cream. it’s still there but I’m not dying to get laid every day. Before my mind was constantly on sex. Not sure what’s going on , but I suspect my body simply adapted. Kind of glad that I won’t spend the rest of my life trying to get laid all the time… sounds great but man is it tiring.
Jack do you even notice a difference at 750? I was having a free t of 50+ and didn’t feel any better . Only thing I noticed was that I was recovering very quick. No matter how harden I worked I woke up fresh.
Now I’m on a high dose of 150mg day and night of the scrotal cream. I am still recovering very fast but I do get soar if I work hard enough.
If I take 100mg am and Pm I notice a difference in my recovery.
I jsut wonder what type of a difference 100mg increments make to a mans fitness levels . Surely there’s a point where more would not do anything? Like 300mg would produce the same effects at 500mg right?
I ran 200-250 for the first year of TRT. I’ve always done injections never cream. Them about a year in I did 12 weeks at 360mg, back to 250 for like 6 months. Did a blast of 600 test and 300 deca, back to 250 for another 6 months. Currently test at 750. Don’t think I’ll go much higher than that. My final goal is to be competition lean at 185. Think that’s probably two more years of work on my part.
I notice a huge difference at 750. I wouldn’t recommend it though. Looking back I would have taken smaller jumps. If your blasting to make gains in the gym I’d try to take as little as possible while still making progress. I’ll probably play around with some different compounds rather than go higher than 750
What difference. Muscle and recovery?
Both. It’s easier to put on size without fat, and I can push harder on workouts and recover quicker. For example I’ll destroy chest and triceps to the point where as a finishing exercise I can’t even do one push up from my knees. Normally that would take me 3-4 days to get over the DOMS. I’ll be fine after 2 days.
People get it all wrong with test and AAS in general. They think that AAS male you jacked. They give you the ability to put on the extra work and recover that you couldn’t do on your own.
I am 27 and started at 26. I think that’s a great strategy. To be honest, everything in my life was optimized before I started; I had it all – nutrition, sleep, training – dialed in and felt I was out of other options. After doing tons of research, I was not convinced there would be any long-term side effects; if anything, I was convinced there would be long-term sides if I didn’t start TRT.
Thank you, brother! I feel great. I am not eating very much because I’m on a cut, trying to drop to 8% BF. Here are my daily goals at the moment:
1850 cals
162 carbs (35%)
185 protein (40%)
51 fat (25%)
I am only two days into this fat-loss challenge but so far have seen small but gradual reductions in BF and waist size each day. Once these reductions stop, I will change carbs to 30% and protein to 45%.
This sounds a lot like my experience! Out of the gates, I felt amazing. Libido, workouts, etc. were off the charts. But then I came all the way back to earth. Then I had one more rush (likely because of increased dosage), but again came crashing back. I think this was our bodies adapting, and I’m guessing cream shot our levels very high. I wish I knew for sure!
Do you do IM? What’s your preferred site? I inject shallow IM into delts (alternating).
What did you notice with the deca? Any differences in joint fluidity?
You are well on your way, my dude.
Definitely agree as well from a TRT perspective. The recovery and psychological edge in workouts are massive. I also wonder, though, about that study where guys who didn’t train but did take T built more muscle than a group that did train but didn’t take T. There has to be some baseline “make you jacked” component to T that is divorced from workout recovery, I’m guessing.
I do IM with a 23 gauge 1 inch needle in the glute when shooting larger quantities. I alternate sides.
I use a 5/8 25 gauge needle when doing my normal 125/125 split. It pushes really slow but will not build up scar tissue. Its technically a sub q shot in that location.
I didn’t care for deca. Made my heart beat fast and felt lethargic. My knees did feel much better while on it though.
Nice, thanks for the info. I have been using a 28 g. It actually doesn’t push out that slowly and is practically painless, despite injecting IM instead of subQ.
I have been quite pleasantly surprised by how much better my knees have felt since starting HOT – not just T, but even before that with hCG. My knees used to be a huge issue – in pain, inflamed, sore constantly. My wife couldn’t even graze them without me flinching. Now I never even notice them.
Not sure the reason for that…maybe E2 or just the decrease in SHBG (albeit not what I want it to be yet)?
Movie last night was fun (and 3 hours long!). In my book, few things are better than knowing you’re treating your wife to a great time that she’s really enjoying. She’s turned me into a huge movie snacker – I had 5 cups Skinny Pop, a ginger Sparkling Ice (amazing and 0 cals), and a chocolate mint Oatmega bar. Then I followed it up with a Casein shake at home. I’ve been enjoying those pre-bed; the thickness is satiating and tasty, a nice change of pace from whey. It is more expensive, though, so I won’t be doing a full scoop (which is practically a shovel) every night.
Overall, diet for the day was again a 10/10! Though my energy hasn’t been perfect in this challenge so far (my mood has dipped each afternoon for some reason, with me becoming more irritable), my digestion has been awesome. No inflammation. Can already feel my abs starting to become more pronounced, too! Encouraged by early returns.
Measurements this morning (Day 1-Today):
BF: 12.0-11.7
Waist: 30.1-29.75
Woke up with some serious DOMS from Monday’s leg workout – damn! Considering I am playing basketball tomorrow (heavy cardio) and calories are already quite low (presumably limiting my recovery and placing a stress on the body), I decided against doing a tabata today. But I did complete a pull workout (back, bis, obliques). The workout was again subpar in comparison to my PM lifts, but that’s to be expected at this point, especially with calories restricted.
This weekend, we are celebrating Mother’s Day, and we are having a surf and turf family meal on Sunday. Yum. I won’t be lifting or tracking nutrition/steps on Sundays during this challenge, both because I observe the Sabbath and because I think that psychological break is super important so you don’t become obsessive and drive others crazy. But I definitely won’t binge and will remain mindful of my eating and movement. Sunday won’t be a cheat day.
My thought for this Sunday: the family meal will be my only real “meal” for the day (other than smaller snacks like shakes/bars and maybe some eggs in the morning to keep protein up and keep me from binging); and at the meal I’ll focus on the proteins (shrimp/steak) and fibrous carbs (greens) while avoiding starches (potatoes) and fats (butter). I’m thinking this low-carb approach will be well-suited for Sundays, when I don’t track.
If you’ve read this (or some of it), I appreciate it! Thoughts on my plan for Mother’s Day, as well as how I should eat tomorrow (heavy cardio, but no lifting)? @jackolee @enackers @Frank_C