Maybe it’s the Freemason!
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
BTW, solution to peak oil…
Yeah. I posted a link to that in Get a Life a few months ago. Bad f’n ass car. Have you also seen this?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0114_050114_solarplastic.html
and
I’m not scared of the energy crunch. There are real and feasible alternatives which will become more and more prominent in next decade or so. It’s going to be us liberals that get the ball rolling, because by definition, conservatives are reluctant to change. They will try to hold on to oil and natural gas until the wells run dry, and gas costs ten bucks a gallon.
I can’t wait to start building nuclear power plants again. It’s been a while since we actually encouraged the use of our most potent technology for something useful for society.[/quote]
Now I’m confused. You mentioned you “liberals.” Then you make a postivie statement about the use of nuclear power plants. Doesn’t the left tend to be more anti-nuclear power? Serious question, not trying to be a smart ass. It’s just that every time I’ve raised that same possiblity, the liberals I know go into shock. Again, not trying to be a smart ass. It’s always nice to see a non-nuclearphobic.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Now I’m confused. You mentioned you “liberals.” Then you make a postivie statement about the use of nuclear power plants. Doesn’t the left tend to be more anti-nuclear power? Serious question, not trying to be a smart ass. It’s just that every time I’ve raised that same possiblity, the liberals I know go into shock. Again, not trying to be a smart ass. It’s always nice to see a non-nuclearphobic.
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Nuclear power kicks ass. So does abortion rights, gay marriage, stem cell research, owning a gun, eating meat, open(er) borders, responsible social programs for the needy, weed (although I don’t smoke it, I think there’s some folks who could use a toke to lighten the fuck up), evolution being taught as reality because it is, having a powerful government that celebrates our personal liberty and protects it, girls who swallow, and beer.
That’s the list. 
But back to your point about nuclear power and “traditional” leftist abhorrence of:
Fuck those idiots. If you’ve managed to catch a bit of my Liberal Trolling thread, you might see that I tend to frown on the scaredy cat pussification of my party which I guess started about the time we were saving the whales and sucking as much paranoid donkey ass as we could about nuclear power.
Remember when the world was going to have ended by now? What a bunch of morons. I mean, I like tie-dye and acid just as much as the next guy, but come on. Nuclear power is pretty much the answer to our energy problems.
Sure there’s a mess to clean up in the reactor after a while, but bury that shit out in the middle of nowhere. It only stays radioactive for a hundred years, and if we’re putting it in some remote desert locale it won’t invade the aquifer and mutate fish or whatever those idiots were whining about.
Do you want to know what’s radioactive and actually something to worry about? Our massive stockpiles of nuclear warheads that are decades old. That’s weapon-grade plutonium we’re talking about – in 1960’s lowest bidder containment systems, not some second-hand radioactive runoff reactor slush in 21st century super-plastic containers. I hope somebody has thought of this by now!!!
Anyway, I would love for us to continue the major strides we’ve made in electric cars and solar power as JTF and I posted above. The future looks bright, and I am full of hope just like always.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Ummm… we get attacks by muslim fundamentalists all the time. At least once a day. It’s just not over here in the USA.
They also kill other Muslims who don’t follow thde same Imam or whatever that they do.
They are the real fascists who impose their absolute will over a frightened and terrorized populace. Go get a stylish haircut in Baghdad. Go ahead.
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I haven’t been around this forum for as long as some, so I don’t know your thinking very well. But I have read alot of your political posts over the past couple of weeks with interest.
But just as you are a liberal fed up with liberal rhetoric and failures, I am a conservative fed up with conservative rhetoric and failures.
Funny. For this, I respect you.
Just a comment, not really contributing much, except my appreciation for your viewpoint.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Nuclear power kicks ass. So does abortion rights, gay marriage, stem cell research, owning a gun, eating meat, open(er) borders, responsible social programs for the needy, weed (although I don’t smoke it, I think there’s some folks who could use a toke to lighten the fuck up), evolution being taught as reality because it is, having a powerful government that celebrates our personal liberty and protects it, girls who swallow, and beer.
That’s the list.
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Damn, Lothario. If I didn’t know better I’d say you were a libertarian.
Question: if a vegetarian eats vegetables, does a libertarian eat liberals?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
- James Madison
“Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.”
- James Madison
“Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear.”
-Douglas MacArthur
“I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”
-Douglas MacArthur
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
“Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.”
-George Washington
“The Department of Defense is the behemoth… With an annual budget larger than the gross domestic product of Russia, it is an empire.”
-The 9/11 Commission Report
Terrorists, no matter how many people they kill, cannot take away our freedoms – only our bloated government can do that. What would be more devastating to the US, a terrorist setting off a suitcase nuke, or us bombing Iran and the price of gas going over $5 a gallon?
I am not afraid of terrorists. Like I said before, why do you think we haven’t been attacked since 9/11? It defies logic. Our borders were left WIDE open after 9/11 and 300 tons of cocaine still comes into the US through the Mexico-Central America corridor every year – they know point A and point B and they can’t stop it. Most of the heroin comes into the US by courier on COMMERCIAL flights.
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/12620/heroin.htm
So if terrorism is such a threat, how come we haven’t been attacked already?
Think man.
“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”
-Theodore Roosevelt
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Great post, lots of good quotes. I too believe that we’ve been set up by powerful people. They did so under the guise of helping the poor, downtrodden, and so on. This was their excuse to expand the size of government and to slowly become more intrusive in our lives. Hence the Great Society Program and other such evil plans.
The problem is, which was voiced by many Germans in the 1930’s, what to do? The mainstream parties run this country and most people don’t care. They don’t understand that creating a government that extorts from one group to pay another is destructive and simply empowers the ‘transfer agent’.
In summary, we’re screwed.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Because some of us around here think that the US is going fascist, I would like to share an article which describes in vivid detail just what real fascism is.
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/articleid/8394
Here is a look at Iraq today, and their struggles with tyrannical religious zealots.
The article is about haircuts, and how getting one just might earn you a beating or a bullet.
PS Yes, Islamofascists really are this fucked up.[/quote]
“Islamofascists” don’t really exist, and the people who are described as such simply aren’t. Fascism is by definition extreme nationalism, and the vast majority of those labelled “Islamofascist” are anything but nationalists, Al Qaeda being the prime example, but also Sunni insurgents in Iraq. Those who are fighting a sectarian war, or using terrorism with the ultimate goal of establishing a trans-national caliphate, are anything but fascists. They are evil, but they’re not fascists.
And I’m not saying this to be pedantic. Islamofascist is a dangerous word, because it aids the Bush Administration, and its more simple-minded cheerleaders, in saying that we are facing a global war against “Islamofascism.” We aren’t. Al Qaeda does not equal Sunni insurgents does not equal Hezbollah does not equal Hamas does not equal Iran does not equal Syria (Hezbollah maybe does equal Iran, but that’s about it). Some and maybe all of these forces are our enemies, but lumping them all into the same group is idiotic, and hurts intelligent efforts to make sense of the Middle East and defend America.
Rant over.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
“…and advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.” (pg72)
-Rebuilding America’s Defenses
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm
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This is, I think, where the future lies. In the future, uncooperative peoples will simply be peacefully lobotomized. I hope they will not be killed, simply tranquilized into non-violence.
It is probably quite likely that we’ll have to turn Iran and NK into nuclear wastelands. Since KJ Il has said he wants to nuke us, we should take him seriously and do it first.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It is probably quite likely that we’ll have to turn Iran and NK into nuclear wastelands. Since KJ Il has said he wants to nuke us, we should take him seriously and do it first.
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Are you really as dumb or crazy as you sound?
Yeah, fascism in the States has gotten really bad. All of my friends keep dissapearing because of the Secret police. I heard some guy at my work criticize the government. Noone has seen him since…Run!
P.S. Will we get cool fascist uniforms like the Axis powers did during WW2?
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
“Islamofascists” don’t really exist, and the people who are described as such simply aren’t. Fascism is by definition extreme nationalism, and the vast majority of those labelled “Islamofascist” are anything but nationalists, Al Qaeda being the prime example, but also Sunni insurgents in Iraq. Those who are fighting a sectarian war, or using terrorism with the ultimate goal of establishing a trans-national caliphate, are anything but fascists. They are evil, but they’re not fascists.
And I’m not saying this to be pedantic. Islamofascist is a dangerous word, because it aids the Bush Administration, and its more simple-minded cheerleaders, in saying that we are facing a global war against “Islamofascism.” We aren’t. Al Qaeda does not equal Sunni insurgents does not equal Hezbollah does not equal Hamas does not equal Iran does not equal Syria (Hezbollah maybe does equal Iran, but that’s about it). Some and maybe all of these forces are our enemies, but lumping them all into the same group is idiotic, and hurts intelligent efforts to make sense of the Middle East and defend America.
Rant over.[/quote]
Good rant. But offer an alternative catch phrase for violent Islamic, fundamental expansionism. Islamism? Islamoterrorism? Islamoextremism?
I don’t know. What are your ideas GDollars?
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Nuclear power kicks ass. So does abortion rights, gay marriage, stem cell research, owning a gun, eating meat, open(er) borders, responsible social programs for the needy, weed (although I don’t smoke it, I think there’s some folks who could use a toke to lighten the fuck up), evolution being taught as reality because it is, having a powerful government that celebrates our personal liberty and protects it, girls who swallow, and beer.
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My brother! Except for the open borders thing, I’m on board with all of that stuff. Even though most of my views on individual issues seem to fall left of center, I just can’t call myself a “liberal”, simply because it is too blanketing; I’ll always find something I disagree with, and I hate to be locked in to party line group thinking on anything.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Yeah, fascism in the States has gotten really bad. All of my friends keep dissapearing because of the Secret police. I heard some guy at my work criticize the government. Noone has seen him since…Run!
P.S. Will we get cool fascist uniforms like the Axis powers did during WW2?[/quote]
Yeah. I’m looking forward to stomping protestors of the New World Order with my jackboots.
And there’s still some folks around here who don’t understand real fascism. I thought my example in the OP was pretty cut and dry. Here we have dudes that tape rules up for how you’re allowed to cut your hair or you get beaten to death or shot, and somehow that’s not quite clear enough for them.
Oh well.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Question: if a vegetarian eats vegetables, does a libertarian eat liberals?
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If Jessica Alba’s underwear is liberal, then I’m definitely a libertarian.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
“Islamofascists” don’t really exist, and the people who are described as such simply aren’t. Fascism is by definition extreme nationalism, and the vast majority of those labelled “Islamofascist” are anything but nationalists, Al Qaeda being the prime example, but also Sunni insurgents in Iraq. Those who are fighting a sectarian war, or using terrorism with the ultimate goal of establishing a trans-national caliphate, are anything but fascists. They are evil, but they’re not fascists.
And I’m not saying this to be pedantic. Islamofascist is a dangerous word, because it aids the Bush Administration, and its more simple-minded cheerleaders, in saying that we are facing a global war against “Islamofascism.” We aren’t. Al Qaeda does not equal Sunni insurgents does not equal Hezbollah does not equal Hamas does not equal Iran does not equal Syria (Hezbollah maybe does equal Iran, but that’s about it). Some and maybe all of these forces are our enemies, but lumping them all into the same group is idiotic, and hurts intelligent efforts to make sense of the Middle East and defend America.
Rant over.
Good rant. But offer an alternative catch phrase for violent Islamic, fundamental expansionism. Islamism? Islamoterrorism? Islamoextremism?
I don’t know. What are your ideas GDollars?
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Again, I don’t know that having a catchphrase is a good thing. These people are not the same, and lumping them all together hurts efforts to deal with them intelligently. Islamism is a good word, but embraces a wide spectrum, including the nonviolent.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Yeah, fascism in the States has gotten really bad. All of my friends keep dissapearing because of the Secret police. I heard some guy at my work criticize the government. Noone has seen him since…Run!
P.S. Will we get cool fascist uniforms like the Axis powers did during WW2?
Yeah. I’m looking forward to stomping protestors of the New World Order with my jackboots.
And there’s still some folks around here who don’t understand real fascism. I thought my example in the OP was pretty cut and dry. Here we have dudes that tape rules up for how you’re allowed to cut your hair or you get beaten to death or shot, and somehow that’s not quite clear enough for them.
Oh well.[/quote]
Again, not fascism.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Yeah, fascism in the States has gotten really bad. All of my friends keep dissapearing because of the Secret police. I heard some guy at my work criticize the government. Noone has seen him since…Run!
P.S. Will we get cool fascist uniforms like the Axis powers did during WW2?
Yeah. I’m looking forward to stomping protestors of the New World Order with my jackboots.
And there’s still some folks around here who don’t understand real fascism. I thought my example in the OP was pretty cut and dry. Here we have dudes that tape rules up for how you’re allowed to cut your hair or you get beaten to death or shot, and somehow that’s not quite clear enough for them.
Oh well.
Again, not fascism.[/quote]
If however all of Iraq`s barbers made the government force you to cut your hair once a week that would be much more like corporatism=>fascism.
It is not enough to be totalitarian to be called a fascist.
You must be totalitarian in the right way…
[quote]orion wrote:
If however all of Iraq`s barbers made the government force you to cut your hair once a week that would be much more like corporatism=>fascism.[/quote]
Well no. If the government seized control of all of the barbershops in the country and dictated how they would cut hair from that moment on (for the glory of the Fatherland, of course), and sent thugs and secret police to ensure that hair was getting cut as per government mandate, that would be fascism.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Well no. If the government seized control of all of the barbershops in the country and dictated how they would cut hair from that moment on (for the glory of the Fatherland, of course), and sent thugs and secret police to ensure that hair was getting cut as per government mandate, that would be fascism.
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Look, I hear ya guys, but…
But let’s say that instead of the state per se, it’s the mighty Islamic power structure (which might as well be the state anyway, and is rallied behind as all important, while the individual is not important) that sends out the hair cut requirements which are enforced through brutal methods or even penalty of death.
Then that’s not “Islamofascism”?
Come on, fellas. Call it what it is. I know it sucks to see things like a “Bushie” even in a small way, but this is reality. These guys are bad. Really bad. And I don’t feel like lumping them together as some nebulous association under an umbrella of a catchphrase is hurting a damn thing. We are talking about human cumstains here who have no regard for anything besides what they deem as righteous or acceptable. I don’t want to reason with these fucks, I want to talk to the rational muslims who AREN’T religious fascist assholes. Those are the guys who can do something reasonable and will respond and respect others and their right to exist.
Give me the muslims, not the violent islamofascist jihad motherfuckers.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
If however all of Iraq`s barbers made the government force you to cut your hair once a week that would be much more like corporatism=>fascism.
Well no. If the government seized control of all of the barbershops in the country and dictated how they would cut hair from that moment on (for the glory of the Fatherland, of course), and sent thugs and secret police to ensure that hair was getting cut as per government mandate, that would be fascism.
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Na, I think that would be socialism/communism…
The main difference being private control of the barber shops and that barbers are not victims of the government but partners of it…
Like Krupp, Thyssen, Mannesmann…