And i can run close to a gram of tren with bp as low as 117… And then there are people who are on low end of trt getting sides worse than most big guys get on grams of stuff. I think there just are people who can do steroids and those who cant.
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It has been that way for as long as I can remember.
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One thing I’ve noticed is that those that get a lot of negatives, seem to get a lot of positives as well. Perhaps their dose response is really good? Meaning for them 500 mg/wk is giving an effect like 1000 mg/wk for someone like me.
My buddy is on his first run with 350 mg/wk, and looks like the Michelin Man. If I was betting, his TT and FT are at levels that would require 6-700 mg for me to achieve.
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One of the more interesting appeals to authority I have seen. Dr Terry sounds very confident 
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Sometimes. Those who die, definitely look better also when on gear. But guys from trt section seem to sometimes get only sides and no goodies 
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Still holding up pretty well after all these years:
Rule #8 is the rub. Unforfunately, intellect doesn’t do much to improve one’s physique.
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I think #7 gets forgotten way too much.
Nowdays people act like if you take tren your heart explodes or you go crazy in 6 months, haha.
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There does need to be a Rule #9 though…
Don’t say later we didn’t try to warn you. See Rule #8.
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Honestly, i dont think i have ever seen anyone complaining anywhere about that.
Some that come to mind:
- Tons of anecdotes on the forums. It is all good till you have that near miss. Some have a direct hit.
- Persons I have spoken with. Multiple heart attack and stroke victims. One dude’s blood was so thick they could not phlebotomize him at the ER.
- The Mike Matarazzo video I have posted on here multiple times.
- Top Olympia competitor who is known for only going “on” a few months per year for the one contest in the 90s. He didn’t shrink down by choice 8 months out of the year. Personally told me he could not breath contest time (his really important muscles responded a little too well). Scared the living hell out of him.
Yes, you are correct, we don’t have the proper control for any of the above experiments to block for cumulative AAS use. Nevertheless, note well.
Yeah, thats basically like 1% of total users.
Its like some brain trauma cases in fight sports. 99% of people who do it, never suffer serious injuries, even tho 1-2 people have actually died in a ring.
Thats why i said that #7 gets forgotten. People read these 3 horror examples and think that smelling dbol will make their heart stop. But the #7 is true - MOST PEOPLE will never have issues.
p.s - looking at the Matarazzo vid. He is talking about artery blockages. Most people who have em, have never taken any steroids btw.
Good point. I don’t have much experience being like most people. Cursed.
Important detail is how much an individual is like most people.
P.S.: Let’s agree on keeping Rules 7 and 8 in there
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You work real hard to make people scared.
The only thing that would matter actually is an actual statistics of what percentage of steroid users die too early, because of steroid use. There are data on smokers and alcohol users. None on this. We are looking at few, very sad cases. But these cases exist in every field on the planet.
This should be on a pinned intro thread for the Pharma forum.
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Dan Duchaine, 1989 (USH II) for the younger folks who may not recognize. He got a lot of stuff wrong (in hindsight) but way ahead of his time.
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I am waiting for The Rock to drop dead. There is no one who abuses shit more than he does, and he started to really push it after he was 35. If someone could die from steroids tommorrow, its him. If he doesnt, i just cant take those horror stories seriously.
Dante Trudel had some wisdom in Cycling for Pennies about blasting…
He said that many people would get the same gains, or more, by just increasing test dosage - rather than injecting the whole kitchen sink of AAS.
Thoughts?
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There are two schools of tought on this.
One says that the more you use one drug, the more diminished returns you get, and more sides you get so those people will take 3-10 drugs at lower dosages.
And the other is like you mentioned - just take 1 drug MORE.
I believe the truths is in the middle.
I believe 1g of test is better than 500mgs. I dont see a point to add another drug to the 500mgs of test mix, for example.
But i also think that there is some upper limit. And for me, that would be like 1-2g of test and around 1g of everything else.
Also, for people who get estro sides, groing from 1g of test to 2g of test means eating AIs like candy. Thats not cool also. They could eat less AI, if they would switch the second gram of test for a gram of tren or deca, or even EQ, for example and so on.
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Dude, what are tha F you talking about? The Rock tried them when he was young but didn’t know what he was doing 
Some have the Ozz gene. I don’t deny it.
John Cena my personal favorite. Ever gander at WWE John vs Hollywood John?
I would say there are MORE of older guys who have abused or abuse steroids now, than you can find horror stories.