[quote]pushharder wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Higher Game wrote:
I worked for a lab for a while where Campylobacter was studied extensively. Samples from organic farms had about the same amount of the bacteria, but there was usually far less antibiotic resistance in the organic bacteria.
I don’t know about how things are with Salmonella, but it’s probably similar. The amount of bacteria is probably about the same, but the resistance to antibiotics is probably lower.
I live near an organic farm (not mainstream organic, but truly old timey) where I got a Salmonella infection when I was very young, like 2 years old. It wasn’t from eating raw eggs, but just contact with the chickens. I can still remember how much it sucked.
Of course, my immune system is now much stronger, but I still won’t risk consuming raw eggs. If I had been infected with antibiotic resistant Salmonella, I would probably be dead. The risk of that is much greater today.
Raw eggs are for superheroes like Rocky Balboa and Chuck Norris, but they can get away with eating gunpowder and depleted uranium. Stick to cooking.
Like I said, why does buying eggs from organic hens has anything whatsoever to do with avoiding this bug?
I can see the point that if one is treating the infection you would hope that the strain of salmonella would not be resistant to antiobiotics but I don’t see how eating organic eggs would lower your chances of being infected to begin with.
Because sick chickens can lay eggs that are contaminated with salmonella.
While the chances are already very low, I’d still consume organic/free-range eggs if I were eating them raw.
Salmonella is a bacterium that is widespread in the intestines of a lot of birds, reptiles and mammals,etc. It can spread to humans via a variety of different foods of animal origin.
If you were to purchase eggs straight from a farm, from healthy hens who are not sick because of salmonella,multiple bacterial infections,etc.,there would be an extremely low chance of getting sick,since most store-bought eggs are produced by larger companies-even with the larger companies,studies have shown the risk is still quite low(1 in every 30,000 eggs).
There are different forms of salmonella.
The form you were talking about,often called Typhoidal Salmonella, is only carried by humans and is usually contracted through direct contact with the fecal matter of an infected person,not animals.
The most common type of salmonella that is passed onto humans from birds and other animals is called Salmonella enteritidis.
Salmonella enteritidis is usually found in eggs infected by foecal germs.
Salmonella Enteritis, also called Salmonellosis, is an infection caused by a bacteria called Salmonella that could have been present in the food that one had consumed.
As you can see,chickens can easily pass this onto their eggs when nesting.
So you’re saying that chickens that receive antibiotics and other medical treatments and supplements are more likely to be sick than chickens that don’t, for some reason? Or are you saying that non-organic chickens are typically kept in closer confinement and therefore more likely to propagate contagious diseases? And if so, is there actual evidence that close confinement chickens are generally sicker on average compared to free range organic chickens?
I’m asking these questions because on the internet everybody’s an expert and so-called facts get tossed around like rice at a wedding.[/quote]
Well, I worked on a farm from when I was 13 to when I was 18, so I do have first hand experience.
There is one study I found once that showed certain brands of raw chicken containing Salmonella(b.I.3).
However, we do not eat raw chicken, so that really doesn’t matter.
Yes.
My main focus,however, is on raw eggs.
Chickens who are already sick, that receive antibiotics, can have antibiotic resistant salmonella.
That is one reason why I’d consume organic raw eggs.
Organic/free-range chickens are not kept in strict confinement either, therefore they have less of a chance propagating contagious diseases - unlike the bigger, more liberal factory farms.