[quote]jskrabac wrote:
god, he cleans like a crossfitter…lol[/quote]
Nooooo!!!
How dare you???
[quote]biglifter wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Where’s the musicality gone in hip-hop? I mean seriously, is there a single song out there that’s in something other than 4/4? How about something that grooves that’s in 7/8 time? How about a little displacement of the backbeat? Why does it always have to be right on 2 and 4? Why is it no one ever moves it around, like on the “and” of 2? How about a song with some weird turnarounds of the beat where there’s a measure of 5/4 or 3/4 after several measures of 4/4? Would it kill a producer to produce a beat where the backbeat moves to 1 and 3 halfway through the song? How about some 1/16 notes on the hi-hat with accents on 1, 2, 3, 4 and the “ands” of 1, 2, 3, and 4? It just seems to me that hip-hop has constantly changed, but the music itself hasn’t actually progressed at all?[/quote]
Wanna put together the hip-hop waltz? [/quote]
Maybe you didn’t see the part about something other than 4/4 time. The waltz is in 4/4.
Listen to main riff for The Ocean by Led Zeppelin. That’s in 7/8 and it fucking grooves. I’m pretty sure that parts of, if not all of, Year of tha Boomerang by Rage Against the Machine is in 7/8 as well, and it also fucking grooves.
That Grayskul shit sounds alright, but again, it’s in 4/4 with the backbeat strictly on 2 and 4. Sure, the clapping that serves as the backbeat ALSO happens elsewhere, but it still always happens on 2 and 4. What I mean by displacement of the backbeat is moving it away from 2 and 4, not playing it on 2 and 4 along with other spots.
A perfect example is Cold Sweat by James Brown. It’s a two-measure beat, meaning that the beat, if you count along to it, goes from 1 and all the way to 8. 1and2and3and4and5and6and7and8and. The backbeat is on 2, the and of 4 (4 AND) and then 6 and 8.
Or listen to the beat for Soul to Squeeze by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. During the verses the backbeat is on the and of 1, on 4, the and of 5 and then 8, 10, and 12.
My favorite beat where the backbeat is not strictly on 2 and 4 (other than Cold Sweat, which is a killer rhythmic pattern) is the groove during the main riff for No Quarter. Here, listen to this. It’s a fucking killer beat, it GROOVES very well and it’s not a simple one to play. When Jimmy Page comes in at the 1:02 mark start counting and you’ll see what I mean. The downbeat on the bass is on 1, the backbeat is on 2 and then the backbeat is on something like the and of 3 and the and of 5, or some shit like that. During the solo he plays accented 1/16 notes on the hat so you’ll see what I mean by that.
And to whoever commented that rap is a lyrical art, you’re ridiculous. Hip-hop is music, period. It shouldn’t be limited to the same regurgitation of beats just because it primarily has its roots in the lyrical delivery aspect of it. That sort of stagnant thinking is why we’re stuck with some of the shit that’s out there now passing itself off as “genius”. Like Kanye West and Lil’ Wayne. Don’t have a problem with either one, but geniuses they are not.
Except for all the billions of waltz’s, or is it waltzi, that are in 3/4, 3/8 or 3/2.
Dude, the people who say Eminem and Kanye are geniuses are the same people that say Lady Gaga and Timberlake are geniuses - They are just idiot critics.
[quote]biglifter wrote:
Except for all the billions of waltz’s, or is it waltzi, that are in 3/4, 3/8 or 3/2.[/quote]
I stand corrected. But that isn’t what I was aiming for when I wondered about progression in hip-hop. I was talking more about a beat that follows an odd time signature that still grooves. It takes some musicianship to do it, and I just don’t see it anywhere in hip-hop. People always talk about how hip-hop is dead, there’s never any good shit on the radio, you have to search high and low and practically be in some sort of underground club to hear some of the better shit these days and blah, blah, blah. Maybe this is so because there isn’t anyone striving to move the music forward. It’s become stagnant, stale. I hear literally the same 5 to 10 rhythmic patterns in EVERY hip-hop song these days. The only difference in the way they sound have to do with different effects played through a drum machine.
?uestlove and the Roots are the closest thing to “progressive” hip-hop, but they’ve lost a lot of credibility with me for being the house band on that fag Jimmy Fallon’s show.
Chad Smith moves the backbeat off of 2 and 4 here as well.
/\ that is another music vid i did with some buddies the 2nd guy is 15 years old i’m on the third verse. Different style from me on this.
The music video needs more plot.
I like your vest in the first video… the rest is a little lame…
To look less like a frat boy;
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Wear a beanie or shave your head and dye it with peroxide.
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Walk with a limp, talk with a lisp, black out one of your teeth with a texta.
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Squat and drink some milk.
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I thought it was pretty damned good, personally…
Thanks the vest wasn’t cheap also. And i don’t care if i look like a frat boy I look like what I look like. THe second music video if you watched you will notice is much cleaner in terms of sound quality because i recorded it at an actual studio.
All my music I record myself on my macbook using garage band to mix it. I have not been trained at all how to master tracks so it is all a bit lower quality.
[quote]airtorey15 wrote:
Thanks the vest wasn’t cheap also. And i don’t care if i look like a frat boy I look like what I look like. THe second music video if you watched you will notice is much cleaner in terms of sound quality because i recorded it at an actual studio.
All my music I record myself on my macbook using garage band to mix it. I have not been trained at all how to master tracks so it is all a bit lower quality. [/quote]
I was joking. I don’t like vests. Honestly, I’m not going to sit here and rip on you for being young and trying to do something you enjoy (posting it on this forum is a different matter). I thought the video was put together well enough. I get that you’re just trying to be and represent who you really are (I think that’s what you said) but isn’t who you are just some amateur musician who can’t fight and seems to have come from a pretty middle class white family? Seems like there would be better ways of representing that than this video. At best it seemed incredibly naive and derivative.
Again, I’m not trying to be too rough on you, you’re doing way better than most, and it sounds like a lot of this was DIY. Just try to be more honest with yourself. When The Roots are going on about a hard knock life as a street pusher it’s because the main vocalist (“Black Thought”) and co-founder’s father was murdered at the age of 26 (I think his brother was also murdered at a young age). Growing up in his neighborhood he thought that a normal life expectancy was mid-twenties. And even that is just a concept album, not how they identify themselves.
Keep trucking.
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I was joking. I don’t like vests.[/quote]
Haha damn that’s kinda hilarious
but over all i hear what your saying and thanks for the honesty. I suppose i was just too anxious to get a music video to the song out there and I may have rushed the planning, neglecting the overall image that it was going to represent.
Next time I will be more aware as to how I come off and what I try to represent, as opposed to just trying to be in front of the camera rapping the song, and doing a little extra stuff in an attempt to “livin’ it up”…
You sound kinda like Debaser or the Sand People guys. Ever heard of them? Since your in minnesnota try hooking up with PROF or rhymesayers. I like your music but wouldn’t buy it. Fuck the video
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
You sound kinda like Debaser or the Sand People guys. Ever heard of them? Since your in minnesnota try hooking up with PROF or rhymesayers. I like your music but wouldn’t buy it. Fuck the video[/quote]
That’s funny you say that actually because literally a half an hour before I uploaded the video to youtube a few days ago I met Kristoff Krane at the gym. He is associated/works with Rhymesayers and we talked about his music and mine. Got his email and who knows if anything will come of it. He has some really legit stuff and of course would be a great contact.
There are a lot of underground hip hop artists from MN that are pretty big as far as the underground scene goes.
and about not buying my music: does anybody BUY music anymore? lol thanks for the compliment though.