I have been on a thermogenic which has 275gm caffeine and a bunch of other things. It’s good, strong and worked. Now it’s over and I can’t get anymore (customs). However, I now have the EC stack. Should I still ramp up to the full dose or still start at a half dose?
I am starting on RFL (have done it before w/o EC) and the rest of the plan is set.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]
It’s up to you, but to be on the safe side start with half. Better to test your tolerance since there’s no way to know how you’ll react beforehand.[/quote]
Just reporting back. Today I took 16mg (HCL + 100mg Caff. Almost no ‘feeling’ of any kind except a mild appetite suppression.
So, 3 hours later I took the full dose (24mg E + 200mg C). WOW, I was like an over excited dog. My walking pace quickened and when I sat down for lunch I couldn’t stop from looking around every 2 seconds (usually when its time to eat I chow down with laser focus).
Felt great otherwise, no palpitations, anxiety etc.
I’ve read through most of the threads so figured I’d join in. I’m on day 2 and a category 3. Tracking my foods and I’m a little surprised at how the “incidental” carbs and fats add up. Do you guys track this and make sure that you’re following exactly all the time?
[quote]rykon wrote:
I’ve read through most of the threads so figured I’d join in. I’m on day 2 and a category 3. Tracking my foods and I’m a little surprised at how the “incidental” carbs and fats add up. Do you guys track this and make sure that you’re following exactly all the time?[/quote]
Yes.
Otherwise how can you tell what you fucked up if you don’t get the results you wanted?
[quote]rykon wrote:
I’ve read through most of the threads so figured I’d join in. I’m on day 2 and a category 3. Tracking my foods and I’m a little surprised at how the “incidental” carbs and fats add up. Do you guys track this and make sure that you’re following exactly all the time?[/quote]
Yes.
Otherwise how can you tell what you fucked up if you don’t get the results you wanted?[/quote]
every time i see your avatar it makes me want hot wings!!! I could eat hot wings every day probably
[quote]rykon wrote:
I’ve read through most of the threads so figured I’d join in. I’m on day 2 and a category 3. Tracking my foods and I’m a little surprised at how the “incidental” carbs and fats add up. Do you guys track this and make sure that you’re following exactly all the time?[/quote]
It’s a short learning curve; once you’ve tracked it all for a few weeks, you’ll be able to “eye” common serving sizes and have a good handle on the macros and it’ll stay that way for the rest of your life
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For a Cat.1 dieter Lyle recommends following the UD2 guidelines for the 2 day carb up. What are these guidelines?[/quote]
Those were the guidelines from the actual UD 2.0 book, I notice he uses slightly different numbers in his RFL handbook. Pick a number and see what happens. Then adjust for the following refeed.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For a Cat.1 dieter Lyle recommends following the UD2 guidelines for the 2 day carb up. What are these guidelines?[/quote]
Those were the guidelines from the actual UD 2.0 book, I notice he uses slightly different numbers in his RFL handbook. Pick a number and see what happens. Then adjust for the following refeed.[/quote]
Yeah, when looking back I saw that he sets it up a bit differently. Totals are still pretty close though.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For a Cat.1 dieter Lyle recommends following the UD2 guidelines for the 2 day carb up. What are these guidelines?[/quote]
Those were the guidelines from the actual UD 2.0 book, I notice he uses slightly different numbers in his RFL handbook. Pick a number and see what happens. Then adjust for the following refeed.[/quote]
Yeah, when looking back I saw that he sets it up a bit differently. Totals are still pretty close though.[/quote]
How long have you been on the diet? Are you finding it hard?
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For a Cat.1 dieter Lyle recommends following the UD2 guidelines for the 2 day carb up. What are these guidelines?[/quote]
Those were the guidelines from the actual UD 2.0 book, I notice he uses slightly different numbers in his RFL handbook. Pick a number and see what happens. Then adjust for the following refeed.[/quote]
Yeah, when looking back I saw that he sets it up a bit differently. Totals are still pretty close though.[/quote]
How long have you been on the diet? Are you finding it hard?
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I am on day 10 and honestly it has been a breeze. I have not had any headaches, hunger pains, etc. I lift every other day and walk my dog 4 miles a day.
I have worried that perhaps I calculated something wrong but, after double/triple checking I have not.
I am taking HOT-ROX so, I guess I respond great to it.
