Rant About Today's Music

@ DBCooper so we don’t get a half page long broken quote going:

I don’t think album sales are an indication of the strength of a genre so much as a reflection of what people value in their music. People want entertainment, not art. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. We all know the guy/girl who shits all over mainstream music and only listens to obscure groups “you’ve probably never heard of”. You just have to take Lil Wayne and whoever else for what they are, pure mindless entertainment.

The Tools of our generation will get their due respect when we look back in 20-30 years, and they will always have their own subcultures where the music is alive and well. It sucks that these guys can’t make a ton of money, but that’s been the plight of the artist for the entire history of mankind. I think as long as talented people continue to make thoughtful, passionate music, they will have an audience.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:

Holy shit, I LOVE this album. If all you T-Nationers out there want to hear some of the most beautiful music ever made, in any genre, listen to this album. Concierto de Aranjuez (this song) is absolutely gut-wrenching. Saeta is quite possibly the most emotional, mournful trumpet-playing I have ever heard, and will ever hear. Solea is a personal favorite that I HIGHLY recommend. I’m part Spanish Basque, something like 1/8, but when I hear that song I feel all the Basque blood in me rise to the surface.

Fuck, there are some really good Miles Davis albums out there, but this just might be my favorite, if for no other reason than it is without a genre, cannot be labeled as anything but simply “music” and it stirs all sorts of emotions within me. Nowadays, there just aren’t that many albums at all that can seriously alter my emotional state the way this one does. There certainly aren’t any contemporary albums that inspire the multitude of emotions that this one does; most newer shit provokes one emotion, two at best. Sketches of Spain runs the gamut. [/quote]

Hehe, you nailed it DB. I’ve only recently come across the album through a mate but it’s definitely something that you experience, more than just listen to. That’s what defines good music for me, no matter the genre. If you’re not trying to tell me a story with as much blood and guts as you can muster then you can have that top 40 spot, because the top 40 is clearly not where the great music goes.

On the Spanish theme - Paco De Lucia has a similar effect on me. Winds my woman up but damn does it take me to another place.

What is that godamn song where she keeps saying like “and a sky full of lighters” or something. I wish nothing but the bessst for yooUuOo FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK I AHTE THAT TASJGHskejgjksletjwe

yeah they play it at my gym non-stop. I have to hear it like every 30 minutes…

I need new music ideas if anyone has any suggestions.
My fave. bands are
Rolling Stones
White Stripes
Red hot chili peppers
ALL things jack white really, the raconteurs also.
And a new band i MIGHT like, manchester orchestra

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
What is that godamn song where she keeps saying like “and a sky full of lighters” or something. I wish nothing but the bessst for yooUuOo FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK I AHTE THAT TASJGHskejgjksletjwe

yeah they play it at my gym non-stop. I have to hear it like every 30 minutes…

I need new music ideas if anyone has any suggestions.
My fave. bands are
Rolling Stones
White Stripes
Red hot chili peppers
ALL things jack white really, the raconteurs also.
And a new band i MIGHT like, manchester orchestra
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If you like Jack White, check out the Dead Weather. He plays drums for them and he’s pretty fucking good. WAAAAAAAAAAAAy better than Meg White. I’d also recommend The Black Keys. You might like a couple other bands I’ve recently started listening to a little bit: The Heavy, Band of Skulls and T-Rex. T-Rex is an older group obviously, but 20th Century Boy is a great tune that holds up well after 20 or 40 plays.

A few personal favorites:
Nine Inch Nails
Rage Against the Machine
James Brown
Miles Davis
Led Zeppelin

[quote]overstand wrote:
@ DBCooper so we don’t get a half page long broken quote going:

I don’t think album sales are an indication of the strength of a genre so much as a reflection of what people value in their music. People want entertainment, not art. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. We all know the guy/girl who shits all over mainstream music and only listens to obscure groups “you’ve probably never heard of”. You just have to take Lil Wayne and whoever else for what they are, pure mindless entertainment.

The Tools of our generation will get their due respect when we look back in 20-30 years, and they will always have their own subcultures where the music is alive and well. It sucks that these guys can’t make a ton of money, but that’s been the plight of the artist for the entire history of mankind. I think as long as talented people continue to make thoughtful, passionate music, they will have an audience. [/quote]

I think what people value in their music is intrinsically connected to the quality of a music genre. Part of the quality of a genre is its overall willingness to buck trends and not placate the mindless masses.

It’s one thing to create music that is intended to sell well and that plays on whatever trends and so forth are big at the time AND then sell a lot of albums and singles as a result. It’s a whole other beast when an artist can reject current trends and easy attempts at commercial success and yet they still HAVE that success based solely on the strength of their music. It just seems to me that most mainstream music TRIES to be mainstream. And that effort is tied to many things; record companies, fans, the musician him/herself, etc. But when a genre is dominated by people trying to capitalize on commercialism instead of letting the music speak for itself, it dies out.

I mean, people forget why things like Napster and torrenting and all these other forms of illegal downloading got so popular in the first place. Bands began making albums that fucking sucked, aside from one or two good songs. So people got sick of buying a whole album when 10 of the 12 songs on it were unlistenable and they started getting their hands on the songs that they liked. And if you can do it for free, why not do it for free instead of dropping cash on a single?

Also, art IS entertainment. They aren’t mutually exclusive. I am not entertained by Lady Gaga or Lil’ Wayne, but I AM entertained by Miles Davis. The same thing with movies. I was not in the least bit entertained by The Expendables, but I find Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf? entertaining even after having seen it 100x. What’s disappointing is that rappers in particular and music in general have sought to exploit the mindless entertainment crowd for their own benefit.

Think about it: who buys most rap music out there? Whites, not blacks. So where has the lyrical content gone toward in rap? It’s headed toward materialism and extravagant lifestyles, something whites can (regrettably) relate to much more than blacks can. Back when rap was in its prime is when the lyrical content was geared toward subject matters that were shocking and “non-mainstream” and didn’t necessarily relate well to the people (whites) who were primarily buying their music. Once mainstream rappers started tailoring their lyrics toward things that whites wanted to hear, rap sales took off. Rap is a MUCH larger share of the overall music sales each year than it was in the early to mid 90’s.

And what happened then? The rappers whose lyrics addressed real shit, like life in the streets or philosophy or simply were focused on rhyming ingenuity went underground and the new groups stayed underground. So I indict musicians who pander to the lowest common denominator. Good music can be as popular as commercialized drivel, but it has to be really good to be that popular, and there just doesn’t seem to be that much legitimately good music that’s popular anymore. This has roots in illegal downloads AND this incessant need for material wealth, a diseases that has permeated every facet of American culture.

[quote]bignate wrote:

ID - electronic music although not using instruments does involve difficult processes of resampling, synthesizing and mixing, these are equally as hard as playing a guitar but in a different respect. For anyone who disagrees why dont you go buy a synth and see how many fat bass lines you can make.[/quote]

I’m not bashing the genre as a whole. I’m bashing pop music where image is more impoortant than sound, substance, and real musical abilities.

My 19 year old son has 2 electronica albums out on iTunes… and just signed a 4 EP deal with a record company in Australia. Also to note, he’s had 9 years classical piano training, and 5 years jazz and rock bass guitar lessons. My point - he has a solid musical foundation which he brings to his electronic digital music.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
It’s a bunch of talentless, synthesized bullshit. That said, the Black Keys have been putting out songs requiring actual musical talent for a few years now.[/quote]

Black Keys are my SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEiiiiiiiiiTTT!!!

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
What is that godamn song where she keeps saying like “and a sky full of lighters” or something. I wish nothing but the bessst for yooUuOo FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK I AHTE THAT TASJGHskejgjksletjwe

yeah they play it at my gym non-stop. I have to hear it like every 30 minutes…

I need new music ideas if anyone has any suggestions.
My fave. bands are
Rolling Stones
White Stripes
Red hot chili peppers
ALL things jack white really, the raconteurs also.
And a new band i MIGHT like, manchester orchestra
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HG brought up the Black Keys. If you haven’t listened to them, I fully recommend pretty much any thing on youtube. Give it a listen.

Nice to know SOMEONE knows who the fuck MILES is : ) He only redefined music 5 times over. As for “feeling” Katy Perry or Gwen Stefani, yeah I am sure that would raise my T level but negative points for having to listen to that shit…One last thing, Country + Rap = CRAP !

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

I have these,

They work pretty good but I don’t lift with them.
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Thanks for the tip. I’ll look into those when I have 80 bux lying around lol
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They can be found cheaper.

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Nice to know SOMEONE knows who the fuck MILES is : ) He only redefined music 5 times over.[/quote]

Coltrane is ESSENTIAL listening as well.

Years ago MTV (or was it CBS?) did a special series on the 100 greatest rock artists of all time. Interestingly, Coltrane made the list - the ONLY non-rock musician. Apparently his influence on rock was so great.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

I’m hoping to pick up wireless bluetooth headphones at some point though so I can just listen to music on my phone without having it directly on my person lol.[/quote]

I have these,

They work pretty good but I don’t lift with them.
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sad to say, im a complete newbie with this stuff. Ok, say you want certain songs on this headphone. Where does the music come from. it says it has a 30 foot radius. does that mean you have to have your ipod nearby? what do you need besides these headphones to get music to play from them?[/quote]

This was more directed to big mac because he asked about bluetooth, but I use my phone for a music player.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
Nice to know SOMEONE knows who the fuck MILES is : ) He only redefined music 5 times over.[/quote]

Coltrane is ESSENTIAL listening as well.

Years ago MTV (or was it CBS?) did a special series on the 100 greatest rock artists of all time. Interestingly, Coltrane made the list - the ONLY non-rock musician. Apparently his influence on rock was so great.
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I remember that show! That was what got me into Coltrane and jazz in the first place! I had been growing dissatisfied with the same old rock and rap music and wanted to get into something totally different than everything else my friends listened to. I was watching that show and I remember David Crosby was on there talking about Coltrane and he said that he first got into Coltrane when he heard “Sunship” and that he was instantly hooked. So the next day I went to Tower Records and bought “Sunship” and I was instantly hooked too.

I would always thought I wouldnt be one of those people who get all cranky about the current music and start saying shit like “this is music? this is crap!” but unfortunately I have…I just dont understand it , I try my best to find music that I like but I am hopelessly stuck in the 90s with my music.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit.

For the first time ever I feel like making love to you and not pummelling you across the face (so I can cum) with my powerful, overheated laptop with an upgraded second generation intel core, i7 processor, 16GB ram plus, a 650GB hard drive so I can play Battlefield when I’m fucking bored.
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DarkNinjaa geeks out and plays video games?

:open_mouth:

Well goddamn.[/quote]

You must be new here, she has been in the Geek thread talking gaming for awhile now.

Yes its a cool thing.[/quote]

<---- Has never stopped by the Geek thread lol[/quote]

You scared?[/quote]

FUCKING TERRIFIED. Lol actually my geeking out time has been spent playing COD instead of talking about geeking out

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit.

For the first time ever I feel like making love to you and not pummelling you across the face (so I can cum) with my powerful, overheated laptop with an upgraded second generation intel core, i7 processor, 16GB ram plus, a 650GB hard drive so I can play Battlefield when I’m fucking bored.
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DarkNinjaa geeks out and plays video games?

:open_mouth:

Well goddamn.[/quote]

You must be new here, she has been in the Geek thread talking gaming for awhile now.

Yes its a cool thing.[/quote]

<---- Has never stopped by the Geek thread lol[/quote]

You scared?[/quote]

FUCKING TERRIFIED. Lol actually my geeking out time has been spent playing COD instead of talking about geeking out [/quote]

So you only play COD? What are you 14

Album sales are essentially meaningless, and have been for a long time. Not only have the artists themselves always made more from concerts and concessions sales, but iTunes has absolutely killed the idea that you buy ‘albums’ anymore(or beatport for EDM listeners). A lot of the complaints in this thread are misplaced, even if you think the music is bad.

You know…anyone bashing an entire genre of music based on what they have heard on a radio station isn’t worth listening to as far as their own opinion.

I rarely listen to the radio…because yes, they will play crap over and over.

I do swear that I usually only see people acting like what they heard on the radio represents and entire genre when the subject revolves around Hip Hop.

For the record, no matter how bad ass the guitar player is, screaming into a microphone inaudibly does not constitute “good music” either.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Shit.

For the first time ever I feel like making love to you and not pummelling you across the face (so I can cum) with my powerful, overheated laptop with an upgraded second generation intel core, i7 processor, 16GB ram plus, a 650GB hard drive so I can play Battlefield when I’m fucking bored.
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DarkNinjaa geeks out and plays video games?

:open_mouth:

Well goddamn.[/quote]

You must be new here, she has been in the Geek thread talking gaming for awhile now.

Yes its a cool thing.[/quote]

<---- Has never stopped by the Geek thread lol[/quote]

You scared?[/quote]

FUCKING TERRIFIED. Lol actually my geeking out time has been spent playing COD instead of talking about geeking out [/quote]

So you only play COD? What are you 14[/quote]

Lulz I said my geeking out time has been spent playing COD. Geeking out isn’t all day ery day or anything like that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You know…anyone bashing an entire genre of music based on what they have heard on a radio station isn’t worth listening to as far as their own opinion.

I rarely listen to the radio…because yes, they will play crap over and over.

I do swear that I usually only see people acting like what they heard on the radio represents and entire genre when the subject revolves around Hip Hop.

For the record, no matter how bad ass the guitar player is, screaming into a microphone inaudibly does not constitute “good music” either.[/quote]

Your statement about good music and screaming into a microphone is entirely subjective and about as blanket a statement as someone bashing an entire genre of music based largely on what they hear on the radio, although a blanket statement in a different manner.

That being said, if you’re referring to all this bullshit death/speed/thrash/whatever metal where everyone plays at one speed and one speed only and has no sense of dynamics or shifting tempos and the singer screams/growls/snarls completely unintelligible drivel that shows neither an understanding of phrasing or any sort of vocal range to speak of, then I fully agree with you.