Random Thought: Being Homeless

Interesting thread idea.

[quote]Bangerangg18 wrote:
I would try and rob a bank! its a win/win situation
if you succeeded in robbing the bank, your rich!
if you get cought and go to jail, you still have a bed and three meals a day lol[/quote]
Probably this. Prison is pretty nice over here. The Norwegian who killed 69 kids on an island a year ago has about as much living space as I do. I think there was a case where a poor guy killed someone else with a hammer just to go to prison. Robbery seems like a better idea.

If I didn’t lose exactly everything, I’d buy a cheap, used sail boat. You can get pretty good living space for a few grand which is a lot cheaper than buying an apartment. Sail south to the mediterranean, try to fish and fill up on fresh water when I can. If getting a job is out of the question. I read some of this book and it was pretty interesting. http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-On-A-Small-Income/dp/1888671378

If I lost everything and shelters and help were out of the question, I’d still try to head south to warmer winters and try to fish in a sea near a fresh water source. I’d bring this little book that taught me way more than five years as a boy scout. http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Guide-Collins-Gem/dp/0061992860/ref=pd_sim_b_1

File a fafsa
go to school
Wait til loans and grants refund kicks out
Get apartment
rebuild from there

Or practice my guitar in a park everyday until I became a local celebrity. If you’re a cool homeless guy the community you live in will help you out. There was a guy when I was a kid who was a bad ass sax player. He was never hungry and never on the streets unless he wanted to roam all night.

I would sell plasma to pay for a gym membership and a storage facility. That way I wouldn’t need to carry all my stuff with me and not look homeless. My stuff would stay clean because its in a safe place. The gym membership is for showering and lifting.

Crazy thing…you actually never know who is homeless. Not all people have 3 foot beards and overcoats.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
… Crazy thing…you actually never know who is homeless. Not all people have 3 foot beards and overcoats.
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Exactly. I knew a guy who struggled with owning a gym back in the 80s. He lived in his car for much of the first year in business. But you would never have known it., He was one of the happiest, go-lucky dudes I ever met.

I could also get into escorting

Walk around a grocery store and who’re myself to housewives as they shop.

Old chicks love young cocks

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
… Crazy thing…you actually never know who is homeless. Not all people have 3 foot beards and overcoats.
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Exactly. I knew a guy who struggled with owning a gym back in the 80s. He lived in his car for much of the first year in business. But you would never have known it., He was one of the happiest, go-lucky dudes I ever met.
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Why didn’t he just live in the gym? Lol

And did he end up a success?

[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:

[quote]Johnny T Frisk wrote:
I would solve crimes by day and murder hookers at night.[/quote]
After you Fuck them of course[/quote]

Before I fuck them!

This is a question I asked myself very seriously a few years ago, because I was very close to it. Close enough to go out late at night and find an abandoned house I would squat in if/ when it happened- (there actually turned out to be a whole street/ estate of empty houses that had been compulsory purchased for a new development but then the council ran out of money).

I started stockpiling tinned and dry food (I forgot about this stash until I came across it in my loft recently) and loose change.

My plan was to offer services door to door- dog walking, car washing, cutting grass, DIY, etc.

[quote]Gym Savvy wrote:

My plan was to offer services door to door- dog walking, car washing, cutting grass, DIY, etc.[/quote]

I wondered about this. Is approaching people directly and offering to barter services for food/lodging etc. restricted under “getting a job”? If not I think I would likely do this, probably while traveling. Do the whole “drifter” thing. See how far I could go, how much I could see.

I heard a comedian wonder about what it’s like when you first become homeless.

You’re sitting on the street, begging for money, but you look pretty clean. Someone points that out: “You don’t look homeless,” to which you respond…“I know, it’s my first day.”

[quote]furo wrote:
Haha interesting question.

In theory I think living off the land would be the best but realistically it would just be too impractical. I think the only way to catch any sustainable quantity of meat would be going to a farm and killing livestock. Trapping rabbits etc has such a low reward rate and you’d never catch a deer without a gun/bow/awful lot of luck.

I think wild fruit/veg/mushrooms would be very hard to find and get enough of (and not poison yourself with). Also you have to remember humans evolved to work in groups to hunt and gather food. I don’t imagine we are particularly well designed to cope alone, with poor knowledge and the most basic (if any) tools.

I think I’d probably end up begging and eating out of supermarket bins. Here’s hoping it never comes to that.

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Been there when I saw a kid, supermarket dumsters is the correct answer, as well as bagel, doughnut/bread places that have to throw out stuff regularly.

It’s kinda of a romantic to go all chris mccandless into the wild, but he died from it. Even Bear Grylls would have a hard time for an extended period of time.

Ideally, you make nice with food places which throw away lots of food, and hope theyll hook you up. Even more ideally you’ll get a job at said place doing whatever allows you to get free food, and be indoors working as much as possible.

I guess that goes against the premise of “get a job” but i dont understand why someone wouldnt be attempting to gain employment.

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]furo wrote:
Haha interesting question.

In theory I think living off the land would be the best but realistically it would just be too impractical. I think the only way to catch any sustainable quantity of meat would be going to a farm and killing livestock. Trapping rabbits etc has such a low reward rate and you’d never catch a deer without a gun/bow/awful lot of luck.

I think wild fruit/veg/mushrooms would be very hard to find and get enough of (and not poison yourself with). Also you have to remember humans evolved to work in groups to hunt and gather food. I don’t imagine we are particularly well designed to cope alone, with poor knowledge and the most basic (if any) tools.

I think I’d probably end up begging and eating out of supermarket bins. Here’s hoping it never comes to that.

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Been there when I saw a kid, supermarket dumsters is the correct answer, as well as bagel, doughnut/bread places that have to throw out stuff regularly.[/quote]

If I woke up one morning without a proverbial pot to piss in then it’s freeganism all the way.

I’m not really sure what I’d do.

I’ve actually spent a fair amount of thought thinking about how I’d deal with a SHTF scenario. Mostly in the case where ALL of society has effectively regressed to the pre-stone-age.

Mostly I’ve focused on the slightly more long-term scenarios of actually having to live like that. I’ve taught myself basic stonemasonry skills and have the tools for that. It would take awhile, but I know enough to take large rocks, break them into more usable units, square off the sides, and build with them. You can then make a stone oven to make fired brick. When you have brick, you can make a bunch of stuff quicker, like bread ovens.

I know how to culture wild yeasts to make a bread starter from spelt flour, which can be used to make wheat breads or really any kind of grain bread. With that starter, an oven, and a source of grain you’ve at least got bread to live off of.

I know the idea of hunting for food sounds a bit romantic, but realistically, agriculture is the way to go. If I’m going to have to live long term like that, I’m not going to care too much about a low-carb diet. Meat at that point is just a luxury. But even so, I do know how to make jerky and pemmican from scratch. Those are good long-term protein+fat staples, and they store for a long time.

Cooking-wise (and water-sanitation wise), a rocket stove is the way to go. Very easy to make from scavenged materials, or from rocks if you have to, and it only needs sticks to operate – no big logs needed. I have a small one sitting on my balcony right now… it gets hot enough to soften steel. Which means, make a big enough one, and you can start doing some metalwork, especially if you’ve got steel you can scavenge from wherever.

With stonework, agriculture, and metalwork, you’re really in pretty good shape. Food, shelter, and toolmaking. Leather and/or weaving is the next step as far as making bedding and clothing.

Right now, I have a wool and canvas bedroll that I’m comfortable using, and that won’t melt at the first sign of an errant spark. It stays in my car, in that rare event that I feel like going somewhere and needing a comfortable place to sleep. It’s a little old-school, but both materials manage heat and moisture very well, unlike modern sleeping bags.

But if I were homeless and society was still operational, I’m not sure what I’d do. I might just grab my bedroll some tools and try living off the land for awhile. Assuming an area with trees, you can realistically do a lot with a few stone chisels, an axe, a good knife, and some portable shelter.

If that failed, I’d definitely just take advantage of all the infrastructure that exists to shelter and feed the homeless.

From 6 June 2002 until 1 Oct 2007 I was “homeless” by design. In a town that receives 300" of snow annually.

Mammoth Lakes, ca has been home this entire time. I slept through the winters and summers in my Ford Club Wagon

and had a gym membership for Training and showers. I would shop daily at the local grocery store and in the

had to keep the milk, eggs and steaks from FREEZING…, ha. I was working in the winter as a ski instructor for

consistent income and doing Massage and Stretch therapy on the side.

My entire life STILL fits into my 6 x 9 foot self storage unit that I have maintained since the beginning.

It is nice to have such a LOW level of cost of living…

If anyone out there following this thread has ANY questions then feel free to PM me…killerDIRK.

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
From 6 June 2002 until 1 Oct 2007 I was “homeless” by design. In a town that receives 300" of snow annually.

Mammoth Lakes, ca has been home this entire time. I slept through the winters and summers in my Ford Club Wagon

and had a gym membership for Training and showers. I would shop daily at the local grocery store and in the

had to keep the milk, eggs and steaks from FREEZING…, ha.[/quote]

Did you eat the steak raw? Serious question.

Milk and eggs can be eaten raw, but I can’t imagine what you cooked the steak on, living out of your car.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
From 6 June 2002 until 1 Oct 2007 I was “homeless” by design. In a town that receives 300" of snow annually.

Mammoth Lakes, ca has been home this entire time. I slept through the winters and summers in my Ford Club Wagon

and had a gym membership for Training and showers. I would shop daily at the local grocery store and in the

had to keep the milk, eggs and steaks from FREEZING…, ha. I was working in the winter as a ski instructor for

consistent income and doing Massage and Stretch therapy on the side.

My entire life STILL fits into my 6 x 9 foot self storage unit that I have maintained since the beginning.

It is nice to have such a LOW level of cost of living…

If anyone out there following this thread has ANY questions then feel free to PM me…killerDIRK.[/quote]

Did you eat the steak raw? Serious question.

Milk and eggs can be eaten raw, but I can’t imagine what you cooked the steak on, living out of your car.[/quote]

throw that bad boy in some aluminum foild, start car, place on top engine and close hood? :smiley:

“Crazy thing…you actually never know who is homeless. Not all people have 3 foot beards and overcoats.”
Wow , Rockula , you are 100 % right. One of my girlfriends was kinda like that.
I met her at work , i just thought she was a normal girl. After she came to my place she told me that she does not have tv , pc , electricity , gas warming , not even warm water. She stayed with her mom and several other relatives in an apartment. She was also going everywhere with a fuckin backpack.
After i asked , i found out that she was going everytime to “friends” , just so she can recharge her phone .
I was fuckin shocked !! I mean a normal good looking girl to be in this position ??? My friends teased me that i’ve taken her from the damn streets !! She didn’t even have money for proper food !!!
Guess you really don’t know how a person lives until you really know him or her.

Find a non-smelly cave.
From sticks and stone, construct a spear or kalashnikov.
Go out at night to hunt men.

The best part would be the mornings after roasting fresh meat from a successful hunt.

While flossing, I’d enjoy the sunrise from my cave porch.
You can construct dental floss from sticks and stone, right?

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
From 6 June 2002 until 1 Oct 2007 I was “homeless” by design. In a town that receives 300" of snow annually.

Mammoth Lakes, ca has been home this entire time. I slept through the winters and summers in my Ford Club Wagon

and had a gym membership for Training and showers. I would shop daily at the local grocery store and in the

had to keep the milk, eggs and steaks from FREEZING…, ha. I was working in the winter as a ski instructor for

consistent income and doing Massage and Stretch therapy on the side.

My entire life STILL fits into my 6 x 9 foot self storage unit that I have maintained since the beginning.

It is nice to have such a LOW level of cost of living…

If anyone out there following this thread has ANY questions then feel free to PM me…killerDIRK.[/quote]
But isn’t cost of living largely a subjective calculation? I’ve always viewed is in the same light as economies of scale.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
From 6 June 2002 until 1 Oct 2007 I was “homeless” by design. In a town that receives 300" of snow annually.

Mammoth Lakes, ca has been home this entire time. I slept through the winters and summers in my Ford Club Wagon

and had a gym membership for Training and showers. I would shop daily at the local grocery store and in the

had to keep the milk, eggs and steaks from FREEZING…, ha. I was working in the winter as a ski instructor for

consistent income and doing Massage and Stretch therapy on the side.

My entire life STILL fits into my 6 x 9 foot self storage unit that I have maintained since the beginning.

It is nice to have such a LOW level of cost of living…

If anyone out there following this thread has ANY questions then feel free to PM me…killerDIRK.[/quote]

Did you eat the steak raw? Serious question.

Milk and eggs can be eaten raw, but I can’t imagine what you cooked the steak on, living out of your car.[/quote]

throw that bad boy in some aluminum foild, start car, place on top engine and close hood? :smiley:
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Actually, it is a '98 ford club wagon that I converted for camping use ! So I bought a 60000BTU camp stove and propane tank for cooking with…no steak raw, just medium rare .