[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
My quad looked something similar to that some time ago from a shot of T400. Skin seems slightly raised at near the surface level and obvoiusly red.
Only the first shot I did out of that bottle did that to me. The rest was fine as if the second did the same I would of thrown the whole thing out.[/quote]
Exact same scenario here… If it did it a 2nd time, I would have had to trash it.
[quote]hangiron wrote:
glad to see ya chose the glute over the quad shot!
imo, a bad quad shot is crippling…uuuuhhhh like cut my leg off slowly with a rusty butter knife crippling.
why is that swelling red spot so low on your arm? can you post a pic of the injection site?
or cicle it with paint brush?
hope things smooth out for ya!
[/quote]
What up Hang?
The inj went in the middle of the smaller tricep head, approx 1/2" from the highest part of the red spot. No Idea why it spread like it did??? It’s still a bit discolored, but seems to be working it’s way back to good.
looks like you cant hit the tris then
thats good news,atleast its not a problem.
[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc? Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
[/quote]
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone. I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ
[quote]Nich wrote:
looks like you cant hit the tris then
thats good news,atleast its not a problem.
[/quote]
Yep, lesson learned… No mas on the Tri’s.
I am going to go ahead rule out Bi’s too, the thought of it makes me flinch!
Thanks for the advice.
Got my goodies in the mail for my Fina.
I am looking at whoopin up a batch Sunday.
I’ll keep you guys posted
[quote] Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc? Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone. I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ[/quote]
I second the thanx and curiosity beat. lol
I’ve always been agains the idea of running dbol with a 19-nor just based on the fact that a highly aromatizing drug plus a high prolactin inducing drug sounds like gyno to me. But if in some way Dbol controls prolactin and then an AI is administered at low doses to control E it would sound like a very tempting cycle for me next year when I plan a bulk.
I’m a “from research guy” also, no experience with those drugs…yet… 
DG
[quote]Randizo wrote:
Nich wrote:
looks like you cant hit the tris then
thats good news,atleast its not a problem.
Yep, lesson learned… No mas on the Tri’s.
I am going to go ahead rule out Bi’s too, the thought of it makes me flinch!
Thanks for the advice.
Got my goodies in the mail for my Fina.
I am looking at whoopin up a batch Sunday.
I’ll keep you guys posted[/quote]
In LIKE injecting my biceps…
my left bicep has been slightly lagging FOREVER! I have been favouring it in training forever too - but still no joy.
Then 2 weeks ago i decided to try spot injections… so i did 4 shots a week of 1ml each. I did each shot in each head of the bicep, rotating the site.
This over 2 weeks has brought up the lagging muscle nicely. In fact, i think it may have surpassed the right hand side muscle now!
I am aware this is likely scar tissue, fascia stretch or simple swelling - so we’ll see… but so far so good.
(This was a minute difference in the peak BTW, both arms measured the same, the difference was more shape than size IMO).
JJ
take it form someone that has done a few conversions.
take your time with the Fina.
if you have any questions I am far from an expert but pm me I will help out all I can or direct you to articals that explain things really nice.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc? Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone. I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ
I second the thanx and curiosity beat. lol
I’ve always been agains the idea of running dbol with a 19-nor just based on the fact that a highly aromatizing drug plus a high prolactin inducing drug sounds like gyno to me. But if in some way Dbol controls prolactin and then an AI is administered at low doses to control E it would sound like a very tempting cycle for me next year when I plan a bulk.
I’m a “from research guy” also, no experience with those drugs…yet…
DG
[/quote]
But that would mean that you would avoid running test with a 19-nor compound too… as test is much more liable to aromatize than methandrostenolone IME and O.
I think that you have come to your limit as far as you knowledge with no real world use is concerned (no offence intended).
(and good timing too seeing as you are currently setting up for your first cycle! ;p)
The reason i say this is simple… for some, you may be right… running tren (for example) and dianabol could lead to gyno - but for others it wouldnt, take me for example, i get much worse gyno from test than i ever did from dbol… and 19-nors (deca) with aromatising drugs pose no problem.
As long as i looked after the aromatase enzyme, i doubt i would have any serious problem with a stack such as test, dbol and tren (i am currently on test, eq and drol - and it is very mild in RE: to estrogenic/progestrogenic sides).
You are at the point where you finally need to see what works for you, and the ‘theory’ is becoming rather useless now IMO - reason being, you cant rightly say that you would avoid dbol and a 19-nor for the reason given, without actually knowing how it would affect you.
So far, you have zero reason to believe that you would react unfavourably…
So shut up and get injecting!! (meant in the friendliest way possible!)
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc? Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone. I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ[/quote]
My basis for using Cytomel and Dianabol during Tren cycles, for Prolactin or overall benefit, is multi-faceted: Side effect control, increase mood, fat loss, etc. Basically all of the pros from added the compounds, plus the fact that they help with controlling sides, both in scientific literature, and some in theory and empirical experience.
Tren and a few other steroids are well known to decrease the conversion of T4 to T3; T3 acts as part of a regulation process in control of Prolactin. So by keeping T3 up, we are not allowing Prolactin to raise via that mechanism. Now the added bonus with using Cytomel during a Tren cycle is that it helps (not that it�??s needed) maintain a lean gain with fat loss, most importantly though is my desire to try to maintain and optimize hormone levels when needed outside of just the actual steroid itself. Maintaining proper or slightly higher levels of T3 also maintains one�??s mood and helps eliminate mood swings �?? ever known someone who was hypothyroid, especially if you knew them before they found out, or pregnant women?
Dianabol has been shown to potentially raise Dopamine levels, this effect has not been seen with other steroids. Increasing Dopamine lowers Prolactin as well. We tend to use compounds like Dostinex to do this, but really it�??s the end result that we are after and not the drug itself of Dostinex in a sense. I find Dbol to be the greatest compliment to a cycle containing Tren anyway. It helps with mood, as does Cytomel, but more in a direct manner not necessarily related to Tren only. It seems to counter some �??blah�??s�?? that Tren may give, and especially helps during a cutting phase by it�??s ability to reduce appetite, increase mood and well-being (You know you aren�??t in the best mood on a reduced calorie diet) as like almost all orals, assist greatly with actual fat loss itself.
Now controlling estrogen is the first step. Whether or not someone feels the need for Dostinex with a Tren cycle or not, I still highly recommend Cytomel and Dbol with the cycle. I personally do not use Dostinex much, though I do enjoy it�??s effects which far out-weigh just prolactin control.
Here�??s a write-up from Cy Willson, who use to be a contributer here at T-Nation; he had many great theorys and many of his ideas have been expanded on and are now common protocol i.e Test Taper:
Cy Willson
�??(D-bol)�?�this particular steroid’s ability to increase dopamine levels�?� While the notion that methandrostenolone increases dopamine levels may be a little controversial, I stand behind my assertion. My reasoning? Well, certain effects/side effects seen with the drug share the exact characteristics of increased dopamine levels: increased heart rate, insomnia, feelings of well being, increased libido, increased blood pressure accompanied by a headache and yes, a slight anorectic effect.
Not only this, but one study demonstrated the drug’s ability to increase dopamine synthesis whereas all other androgens tested had no effect. (22) So what do these increased levels of dopamine do? Well, dopamine exerts the following effects either directly or indirectly via conversion to norepinephrine and epinephrine: appetite suppression, activation of beta-3 receptors (which can lead to increased oxygen consumption of brown adipose tissue as well as prevent insulin stimulated glucose uptake into white adipocytes), decreased insulin levels, decreased Lipoprotein Lipase (LPL) activity in adipose tissue, stimulated oxygen consumption in general, and increased Resting Energy Expenditure (REE). So, in general, all this will enhance lipolysis. (23-30)�??
22. Thiblin I, et al. “Increased dopaminergic and 5-hydroxytyrptaminergic activities in male rat brain following long-term treatment with anabolic/androgenic steroids.” Br J Pharmacol 1999 Mar;126(6):1301-6
23. Samanin R, Garattini S. “Neurochemical mechanism of action of anorectic drugs.” Pharmacol Toxicol 1993 Aug;73(2):63-8
24. Maxwell G, et al. “The effect of dopamine upon oxidative metabolism of brown fat adipocytes.” Eur J Pharmacol 1985 Oct 22;116(3):293-7
25. Sandyk R. “Dopamine and insulin interact to modulate in vitro glucose transport in rat adipocytes.” Int J Neurosci 1988 Nov;43(1-2):9-14
26. Lee TL, et al. “Activation of beta 3-adrenoreceptors by exogenous dopamine to lower glucose uptake into rat adipocytes.” J Auton Nerv Syst 1998 Dec 11;74(2-3):86-90
27. Maxwell GM, et al. “Thermogenesis and the effect of injected catecholamines on the oxygen consumption of cafeteria-fed rats.” Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol 1988 May;15(5):391-400
28. Nakagawa M, et al. “The effects of dopamine infusion on the postoperative energy expenditure, metabolism, and catecholamine levels of patients after esophagectomy.” Surg Today 1994;24(8):688-93
29. Pernet A, et al. “The metabolic effects of dopamine in man.” Eur J Clin Pharmacol 1984;26(1):23-8
30. Zhang Y, et al. “Bromocriptine/SKF38393 treatment ameliorates dyslipidemia in ob/ob mice.” Metabolism 1999 Aug;48(8):1033-40
If were talking caber its a good choice with tren if you dose it correctly. Most guys dont have problems with tren and progestational sides but caber will do the trick. An alternative would be the use of small amounts of winny ED to 20mg.
This has been used effectively with Anadrol’s sides and will work with tren and deca as well. A new prohormone on the scene 13 ethyl has been gaining attention as an anti-progesterone as well with out reducing gains. Alot of guys have been correcting libido problems while on cycle with deca or tren with this 13 ethyl.
[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc? Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
[/quote]
TheBeat2,
What kind of dosage and duration for t3 and dbol would you recommend to reap these benefits you speak of during a tren cycle?
-tw1st
[quote] Brook wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc?
Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone.
I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ
I second the thanx and curiosity beat. lol
I’ve always been agains the idea of running dbol with a 19-nor just based on the fact that a highly aromatizing drug plus a high prolactin inducing drug sounds like gyno to me.
But if in some way Dbol controls prolactin and then an AI is administered at low doses to control E it would sound like a very tempting cycle for me next year when I plan a bulk.
I’m a “from research guy” also, no experience with those drugs…yet…
DG
But that would mean that you would avoid running test with a 19-nor compound too… as test is much more liable to aromatize than methandrostenolone IME and O.
I think that you have come to your limit as far as you knowledge with no real world use is concerned (no offence intended).
(and good timing too seeing as you are currently setting up for your first cycle! ;p)
The reason i say this is simple… for some, you may be right… running tren (for example) and dianabol could lead to gyno - but for others it wouldnt, take me for example, i get much worse gyno from test than i ever did from dbol… and 19-nors (deca) with aromatising drugs pose no problem.
As long as i looked after the aromatase enzyme, i doubt i would have any serious problem with a stack such as test, dbol and tren (i am currently on test, eq and drol - and it is very mild in RE: to estrogenic/progestrogenic sides).
You are at the point where you finally need to see what works for you, and the ‘theory’ is becoming rather useless now IMO - reason being, you cant rightly say that you would avoid dbol and a 19-nor for the reason given, without actually knowing how it would affect you.
So far, you have zero reason to believe that you would react unfavourably…
So shut up and get injecting!! (meant in the friendliest way possible!)
JJ[/quote]
I should rephrase…I always think that test is always in there because it seems that more often than not, test should be in a cycle. I was also more curious about taking dbol in replacement of something like caber?
I agree I need to start stickin myself so that I can fully understand. lol One thing learned tho is that I would rather read up on 100 accounts of people’s opinons and advice on something than try something, go “shit this gives me gyno” and not be prepared to deal with it from lack of research.
DG
So, what is the final decision on Caber…
I have it, but what dose are you recommending?
I don’t want to have squirters…
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
I have a question for all…
every time I see a suggestion for caber it is always to have it on hand instead of advising somebody to run it like adex is usually recommended to be ran .vs. just to have “on hand”
I was wondering why people wouldn’t want to use caber right out of the gate? Also how long can caber be ran? Could randizo for this instance or anybody run caber the entire 6 weeks he’s on tren, during pct, etc?
Is there a certain amount of time that you would run caber that you wouldn’t dare go over?
just a few questions regaurding that drug in the instance of adding it to a cycle with 19-nors…
DG
I don’t know either, it bothers me quite often to see “keep it on hand” etc with regards to Dostinex and AI’s.
If you need to control estrogen, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
If you need to control Prolactin, then you need to control it before it gets out of hand.
Plus the statement usually goes with an AI like Letro or Dostinex and others. Problem with it is, that Letro and Dostinex take several weeks to reach peak levels: if 2mg/week of Dostinex fixes the problem, then one would need far less to maintain and should back their dose down when the symptoms succeed.
I think it makes much more sense to run a lower dose from the beginning and take advantage of all of the benefits and controls from the drug rather than keep it on hand and then temperarily over-dose to stop a problem that could have been pro-actively avoided to begin with.
Since I’m venting a bit, the whole Nolvadex recommendations are usually made by people who have never had to use it mid cycle to stop a problem and recommend far too low of doses for far too long of a time.
Also want to point out that Dostinex is great, and I personally enjoy it. But, by no means it is a requirement for running an 19-nor. There are several reasons why Prolactin gets raised and several ways to control it. I like Dbol and Cytomel myself.
Hey Beat, great post as always…
So i was hoping you may expand on the Cytomel and Dianabol method of controlling prolactin.
I have found myself to be highly sensitive to the ED problems caused by procactin (self-diagnosed) and as such i intend to run caber both separately and also with my next use of Nandrolone.
I am intent on using nandrolone if i can as i seem to react favourably to it and i am planning to use the Test, Deca, Dbol stack to make some of my most major gains. :)
Your thoughts would be much appreciated…
Ta!
JJ
I second the thanx and curiosity beat. lol
I’ve always been agains the idea of running dbol with a 19-nor just based on the fact that a highly aromatizing drug plus a high prolactin inducing drug sounds like gyno to me.
But if in some way Dbol controls prolactin and then an AI is administered at low doses to control E it would sound like a very tempting cycle for me next year when I plan a bulk.
I’m a “from research guy” also, no experience with those drugs…yet…
DG
But that would mean that you would avoid running test with a 19-nor compound too… as test is much more liable to aromatize than methandrostenolone IME and O.
I think that you have come to your limit as far as you knowledge with no real world use is concerned (no offence intended).
(and good timing too seeing as you are currently setting up for your first cycle! ;p)
The reason i say this is simple… for some, you may be right… running tren (for example) and dianabol could lead to gyno - but for others it wouldnt, take me for example, i get much worse gyno from test than i ever did from dbol… and 19-nors (deca) with aromatising drugs pose no problem.
As long as i looked after the aromatase enzyme, i doubt i would have any serious problem with a stack such as test, dbol and tren (i am currently on test, eq and drol - and it is very mild in RE: to estrogenic/progestrogenic sides).
You are at the point where you finally need to see what works for you, and the ‘theory’ is becoming rather useless now IMO - reason being, you cant rightly say that you would avoid dbol and a 19-nor for the reason given, without actually knowing how it would affect you.
So far, you have zero reason to believe that you would react unfavourably…
So shut up and get injecting!! (meant in the friendliest way possible!)
JJ
I should rephrase…I always think that test is always in there because it seems that more often than not, test should be in a cycle. I was also more curious about taking dbol in replacement of something like caber?
I agree I need to start stickin myself so that I can fully understand. lol One thing learned tho is that I would rather read up on 100 accounts of people’s opinons and advice on something than try something, go “shit this gives me gyno” and not be prepared to deal with it from lack of research.
DG[/quote]
I agree… i dont think you are wrong in getting as much info as possible… i just think that you HAVE got as much theory in as possible now… i really feel you cannot learn anymore without using.
you know?
like there are many people here who use but shouldnt, asndf others who dont but prolly could - but you absolutely are ready my son! lol!
As for the dbol bit - i know you was thinking about the prolactin benefits with dbol, but you mentioned the fact that an aromatising drug with a 19-nor sounds like gyno, and in many you may be right - but you may not suffer… thats all i was trying to say - badly i suspect. 
JJ
[quote]Randizo wrote:
So, what is the final decision on Caber…
I have it, but what dose are you recommending?
I don’t want to have squirters…[/quote]
1mg/week tabs or 2mg/week if liquid
Divided into at least 2 doses; if you are using liquid, there is no reason not to take .25mg/ed - point being that the more frequent the better, but in the end as long as it’s at least twice a week its fine.
Start at the beginning of the cycle or earlier if you wish, do not wait for sides to hit; it will take about 3 weeks to reach peak levels, though you should notice some drowsiness within hours.
[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
Randizo wrote:
So, what is the final decision on Caber…
I have it, but what dose are you recommending?
I don’t want to have squirters…
1mg/week tabs or 2mg/week if liquid
Divided into at least 2 doses; if you are using liquid, there is no reason not to take .25mg/ed - point being that the more frequent the better, but in the end as long as it’s at least twice a week its fine.
Start at the beginning of the cycle or earlier if you wish, do not wait for sides to hit; it will take about 3 weeks to reach peak levels, though you should notice some drowsiness within hours.[/quote]
I honestly dont remember where I heard this,but I heard tha tthe research grade liquid caber was really not worth getting because diluted in alcohol it renders it inactive.
again not sure where I heard tha tor even if I maybe misunderstood but still I only get the pills.
[quote]Nich wrote:
TheBeat2 wrote:
Randizo wrote:
So, what is the final decision on Caber…
I have it, but what dose are you recommending?
I don’t want to have squirters…
1mg/week tabs or 2mg/week if liquid
Divided into at least 2 doses; if you are using liquid, there is no reason not to take .25mg/ed - point being that the more frequent the better, but in the end as long as it’s at least twice a week its fine.
Start at the beginning of the cycle or earlier if you wish, do not wait for sides to hit; it will take about 3 weeks to reach peak levels, though you should notice some drowsiness within hours.
I honestly dont remember where I heard this,but I heard tha tthe research grade liquid caber was really not worth getting because diluted in alcohol it renders it inactive.
again not sure where I heard tha tor even if I maybe misunderstood but still I only get the pills.
[/quote]
Hmm, interesting… anyone care to chime in?
Mine is in an aqueous solution, liquid, but don’t know of it’s alcohol content.
Does anyone know if Caber is hepatoxic?
Cabergoline is not stable when suspended in liquid, and this is why beat recommends using twice the dosage than regular tabs in another thread.
When it is suspended it begins to lose potency and IIRC it becomes half as strong in just a couple or so months - and of course it may have been stored for much longer on some shelf in florida, than that.
I will onbly go with tabs - one of ourt favourite suppliers on this site (Alab) sells them for a very decent price IME.
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
Cabergoline is not stable when suspended in liquid, and this is why beat recommends using twice the dosage than regular tabs in another thread.
When it is suspended it begins to lose potency and IIRC it becomes half as strong in just a couple or so months - and of course it may have been stored for much longer on some shelf in florida, than that.
I will onbly go with tabs - one of ourt favourite suppliers on this site (Alab) sells them for a very decent price IME.
JJ[/quote]
thank you, I couldnt for the life of me remember wha tit was.
its not that it is liver toxic its just that its less effective.
research chem labs suspend the chemicals in alcohol thats why I mentioned it.
the tabs are easy to dose out with a razor but if you already have the liquid you are good to go on it I think.