[quote]belligerent wrote:
RATM are a bunch of loser pseudointellectuals. [/quote]
Agreed, I hate those guys.
Saw them when they played during the republician national convention here in Minneapolis and it was fucking awesome. Also the first time I’ve witnessed cops in riot gear and riots. Good times.
Ironic that the people in the UK have seen fit to get Rage to number 1… all while living under Draconian gun laws with Big Brother watching from cameras on every street corner.
Someone should take their own advice…
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]belligerent wrote:
RATM are a bunch of loser pseudointellectuals. [/quote]
Agreed, I hate those guys.[/quote]
X3. Their music sounds shat out. I don’t know how anyone can praise it - it sounds like it took 5 minutes to arrange and another 5 to record.
Zach De La Rocha was somewhat cool when he played for Hardstance. After that, he just became another pseudo-Marxist commercialist Establishmentarian. He’s from Irvine, for crying out loud. What does he know about “raging against ‘the machine’” from growing up amongst soccer moms and affluent suburban cultural decay?
I went to school with his cousin Mike. That guy was another boner in the same vein.
I’ll never see eye to eye with them politically but that performance gave me goosebumps. that was good shit.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
RATM are a bunch of loser pseudointellectuals. [/quote]
And for perspectives sake, a better band in the same vein would be…?
tom morello is super talented. that is all.
Does Zack De La Rocha even speak Spanish?
I always wondered this. I think I heard speaking Spanish once… I don’t get for all his pro Latin America jive, why has he never made a song in our language?
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
Does Zack De La Rocha even speak Spanish?
I always wondered this. I think I heard speaking Spanish once… I don’t get for all his pro Latin America jive, why has he never made a song in our language?[/quote]
I dunno. For all his bluster, he sure seemed to be heavily into the whitey scene before he went angry Chicano:
Too bad Hard Stance never headlined. They played with some pretty cool bands: Slapshot, Youth of Today, Verbal Assault.
From the Wiki page:
Uh oh.
One wonders why he chose his Chicano heritage over his mother’s German-Irish heritage. Anyways, his cousin Mike was into the angry Chicano thing at UCLA. My friend’s brother lived with him in the dorms and gave him flak about not being able to speak a word of spanish.
[quote]stockzy wrote:
[quote]belligerent wrote:
RATM are a bunch of loser pseudointellectuals. [/quote]
And for perspectives sake, a better band in the same vein would be…?[/quote]
Ones that don’t make political statements?
[quote]Uh oh.
One wonders why he chose his Chicano heritage over his mother’s German-Irish heritage. Anyways, his cousin Mike was into the angry Chicano thing at UCLA. My friend’s brother lived with him in the dorms and gave him flak about not being able to speak a word of spanish.[/quote]
I got fed up with him during the whole ‘bombtrack’ video. I thought he was a decent guy up until then despite all his reactionary confused political rhetoric, some of it I agree with.
Anyways, he found a pretty sour audience when me and my cousin saw it. Whose father was killed by the crack smoking (no joke) illiterate militia. They also nearly kidnapped my Grandma when she was on a pilgrimage to pray for the weak and poor. Yes, Zack, the Sendero are fucking heroes. They are TRUE Communists too, that’s why their leader is some white guy who comes from a millionaire family and was obese even when he was living underground. At least Che was an honest acetic and not just eating empanadas all day while children were starving and fighting.
God, his stance on Sendero, is about as absurd as some rich half Asian Swiss kid, making music lauding some illiterate meth-smoking deliverance-type redneck militia killing blacks, jews and urban ‘carpet baggers’ in some part of Alabama.
Just too absurd to tolerate.
Rage is a band I automatically turn off, like System of a Down. their dumbass political rhetoric is to much for me. Funny how some people know then and can confirm their full of shitness.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ironic that the people in the UK have seen fit to get Rage to number 1… all while living under Draconian gun laws with Big Brother watching from cameras on every street corner.
Someone should take their own advice…[/quote]
We don’t like having our school children shooting each other, unlike some.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Rage is a band I automatically turn off, like System of a Down. their dumbass political rhetoric is to much for me. Funny how some people know then and can confirm their full of shitness.[/quote]
I agree with SOAD sucking, but something about Rage gets me amped up, even if I don’t agree with them politically.
System of a Downs first album [especially the first half] was great. I think better than any RATM album.
And as for political bands, this is why I never give musicians credit JUST for talking about social issues. Most musicians don’t know much about politics. You give their politics a pass if it fits into an overall aesthetic, or if it doesn’t get preachy and spends more time illustrating something and letting listeners decide, rather than attempting, and ultimately failing to explain.
Hence why Biggie was a far better political/social [and overall] rapper than Pac’s lame ass could ever be. And hence why bands the Sex Pistols, and The Clash do the political thing better than bands like RATM or SOAD even though their political leanings are similar.
I was 15-16 years old when I first got into RATM and I didn’t give a shit about what was going on in the world around me and I can safely assume that most kids of the same age think along the same lines. All that mattered was if the music kicked ass and RATM did just that! All this political spiel blah blah about RATM means fuck all to kids who are getting pissed, stoned and hopefully screwed.
C’mon fellas, dissecting a bands political motives/ideologies is fuckin pointless and is usually relegated to ‘older people’ who kids don’t give a shit about and don’t even listen to, or knobs that sat in the corner of a party blowin the head off everyone else who were trying to have a good time!
It’s first and foremost all about the energy in the music and if you missed that point well then…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ironic that the people in the UK have seen fit to get Rage to number 1… all while living under Draconian gun laws with Big Brother watching from cameras on every street corner.
Someone should take their own advice…[/quote]
I take it you read the Daily Mail?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Ironic that the people in the UK have seen fit to get Rage to number 1… all while living under Draconian gun laws with Big Brother watching from cameras on every street corner.
Someone should take their own advice…[/quote]
I take it you read the Daily Mail?[/quote]
X 2 hilarious!
I think this is what he means…
[quote]worzel wrote:
C’mon fellas, dissecting a bands political motives/ideologies is fuckin pointless and is usually relegated to ‘older people’ who kids don’t give a shit about and don’t even listen to, or knobs that sat in the corner of a party blowin the head off everyone else who were trying to have a good time!
[/quote]
True. Besides, song lyrics in general are basically nonsense…some of the greatest lyrics ever hardly make any sense.