R.I.P. America 1776 - 2012

[zecarlo]

[quote]atypical1 wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
How many white people say ‘Irish-American’ or ‘French-American’? Not many. The tribe is a lot less important to us. These people just say, “I’m an American.”
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Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously? I hear people say that all the time. Maybe you need to step away from the keyboard and get out into reality once in a while.

james[/quote]
He talks about Cinco de mayo but what about St. Patrick’s Day? What about those Kiss Me I’m Irish shirts? What about Lucky Charms, the Boston Celtics and Notre Dame?

[Headhunter]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But they are still ‘Cuban-Americans’.

As long as people think of their tribe and not as Americans, politicians will play on that.

[/quote]
You do know that placing a qualifier ahead of American, in this case Cuban, is something that “American”-Americans are responsible for? Those unhyphenated Americans made us choose to qualify our status as Americans. This country has been historically and pathologically averse to the assimilation and integration of the Other and thus, chooses labels to set “real” Americans apart from <insert ethnicity/national origin/race>-Americans. In this case we chose the labels because the ones they would have chosen were either not very flattering (a slur) or inaccurate (the nationality of the country our families came from such as Italian, Polish, Greek, etc, all without the added American) but we had to be labeled nonetheless. In Italy they call me American. In America, where I was born and have lived most of my life and where I even serve in the military, I’m an Italian-American or even just plain Italian.

So since we couldn’t or can’t call ourselves American without a “real” American clearing his throat or rolling his eyes (or worse) we had to, and some still have to, settle for referring to ourselves as hyphenated Americans. It’s better than referring to ourselves using the various slurs that used to be stated with impunity. It ends up sticking because we don’t want to give those who tried, and those who still try, the satisfaction of thinking they shamed us into denying our heritages. Once the “real” Americans try and make us hyphenated Americans feel like we are not as real as they are (and on my mother’s side my roots in this country predate the Revolutionary War but alas, my surname ends in a vowel) we react by asserting our pride in our heritage and turning the label they made us place on ourselves, that they thought would make us feel inferior, into a badge of honor. And we expect and demand that THEIR politicians pander to us just as they pander to any other group. We will be included in the process and our influence will be felt…like it or not. We will also cling to our hyphenated qualifier to remind us and “them” that we were never supposed to join the club. We don’t want to forget the past and more importantly we don’t want them to either.

BTW, more “real” Americans celebrate Cinco de mayo in America than Mexican-Americans. [/quote]

If you are American, just call yourself that. Quit tribing up.

Do you really want white people of non-hispanic descent, to tribe up? Whites are the biggest tribe. You want our version of Nazi Germany?

Look at a map of votes. America is radically divided, with blue blobs in cities and swaths of red in the countryside. Do you seriously think that the white tribe is going to let someone take over the country? You’re delusional.

[ZEB]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But they are still ‘Cuban-Americans’.

As long as people think of their tribe and not as Americans, politicians will play on that.

[/quote]
You do know that placing a qualifier ahead of American, in this case Cuban, is something that “American”-Americans are responsible for? Those unhyphenated Americans made us choose to qualify our status as Americans. This country has been historically and pathologically averse to the assimilation and integration of the Other and thus, chooses labels to set “real” Americans apart from <insert ethnicity/national origin/race>-Americans. In this case we chose the labels because the ones they would have chosen were either not very flattering (a slur) or inaccurate (the nationality of the country our families came from such as Italian, Polish, Greek, etc, all without the added American) but we had to be labeled nonetheless. In Italy they call me American. In America, where I was born and have lived most of my life and where I even serve in the military, I’m an Italian-American or even just plain Italian.

So since we couldn’t or can’t call ourselves American without a “real” American clearing his throat or rolling his eyes (or worse) we had to, and some still have to, settle for referring to ourselves as hyphenated Americans. It’s better than referring to ourselves using the various slurs that used to be stated with impunity. It ends up sticking because we don’t want to give those who tried, and those who still try, the satisfaction of thinking they shamed us into denying our heritages. Once the “real” Americans try and make us hyphenated Americans feel like we are not as real as they are (and on my mother’s side my roots in this country predate the Revolutionary War but alas, my surname ends in a vowel) we react by asserting our pride in our heritage and turning the label they made us place on ourselves, that they thought would make us feel inferior, into a badge of honor. And we expect and demand that THEIR politicians pander to us just as they pander to any other group. We will be included in the process and our influence will be felt…like it or not. We will also cling to our hyphenated qualifier to remind us and “them” that we were never supposed to join the club. We don’t want to forget the past and more importantly we don’t want them to either.

BTW, more “real” Americans celebrate Cinco de mayo in America than Mexican-Americans. [/quote]

If you are American, just call yourself that. Quit tribing up.

Do you really want white people of non-hispanic descent, to tribe up? Whites are the biggest tribe. You want our version of Nazi Germany?

Look at a map of votes. America is radically divided, with blue blobs in cities and swaths of red in the countryside. Do you seriously think that the white tribe is going to let someone take over the country? You’re delusional.

[/quote]

HH, you have to learn to relax man. It’s one election there are many more to come. The republicans still control the House and in fact picked up even more seats adding to their majority. There will be another election in two years. And in that mid-term election we can pick up seats in the Senate and perhaps again in the House.

Really, take a step back and breath man.

[Headhunter]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But they are still ‘Cuban-Americans’.

As long as people think of their tribe and not as Americans, politicians will play on that.

[/quote]
You do know that placing a qualifier ahead of American, in this case Cuban, is something that “American”-Americans are responsible for? Those unhyphenated Americans made us choose to qualify our status as Americans. This country has been historically and pathologically averse to the assimilation and integration of the Other and thus, chooses labels to set “real” Americans apart from <insert ethnicity/national origin/race>-Americans. In this case we chose the labels because the ones they would have chosen were either not very flattering (a slur) or inaccurate (the nationality of the country our families came from such as Italian, Polish, Greek, etc, all without the added American) but we had to be labeled nonetheless. In Italy they call me American. In America, where I was born and have lived most of my life and where I even serve in the military, I’m an Italian-American or even just plain Italian.

So since we couldn’t or can’t call ourselves American without a “real” American clearing his throat or rolling his eyes (or worse) we had to, and some still have to, settle for referring to ourselves as hyphenated Americans. It’s better than referring to ourselves using the various slurs that used to be stated with impunity. It ends up sticking because we don’t want to give those who tried, and those who still try, the satisfaction of thinking they shamed us into denying our heritages. Once the “real” Americans try and make us hyphenated Americans feel like we are not as real as they are (and on my mother’s side my roots in this country predate the Revolutionary War but alas, my surname ends in a vowel) we react by asserting our pride in our heritage and turning the label they made us place on ourselves, that they thought would make us feel inferior, into a badge of honor. And we expect and demand that THEIR politicians pander to us just as they pander to any other group. We will be included in the process and our influence will be felt…like it or not. We will also cling to our hyphenated qualifier to remind us and “them” that we were never supposed to join the club. We don’t want to forget the past and more importantly we don’t want them to either.

BTW, more “real” Americans celebrate Cinco de mayo in America than Mexican-Americans. [/quote]

If you are American, just call yourself that. Quit tribing up.

Do you really want white people of non-hispanic descent, to tribe up? Whites are the biggest tribe. You want our version of Nazi Germany?

Look at a map of votes. America is radically divided, with blue blobs in cities and swaths of red in the countryside. Do you seriously think that the white tribe is going to let someone take over the country? You’re delusional.

[/quote]

HH, you have to learn to relax man. It’s one election there are many more to come. The republicans still control the House and in fact picked up even more seats adding to their majority. There will be another election in two years. And in that mid-term election we can pick up seats in the Senate and perhaps again in the House.

Really, take a step back and breath man.

[/quote]

Thanks for the kind words and I’m fine. Its the teacher in me when I see one of my kids doing something genuinely stupid.

I realize that we’ll probably live to see a National Socialist state here and that tribalism will run rampant. But I won’t have to live to see a lot of it so…yeah, who cares?

Who is John Galt?

[SexMachine]

[quote]Karado wrote:
It wasn’t so much about what appealed to us about Obama, so much as what was
unappealing about Romney, we are a Conservative people, You don’t get that, but we still get treated like
second-rate citzens, 44% voted for Bush last time as opposed to just
27% this time for Romney…Try getting 44% of Blacks to vote for ANY Republican Candidate BTW,
so give us credit where credit is due.

Bush was clear in his message, and positive, he went to ALL U.S. Spanish language stations and sold himself
to us…Romney didn’t, he was AWOL…and that difference was noticed and talked about.

I think maybe that was because he was confident he could win without our support because of the shitty
economy…big mistake.

We really try to assimilate, and we are among the hardest workers in the Country, we bust our
asses like everbody else here, have fought and died for this Country…and what do we
get in return?
Well, just look at the “language” used here…“tribes”, “Hispanic Freeloaders”, etc. how is one
supposed to try and assimilate with language and thoughts floating around like that
by Romney Supporters?

Not to deflect, but where’s the Anger toward Single Women? THEY leaned heaviliy for Obama, Over 70%
Of Asian Americans voted for Obama and they are in the Higher Income class!..and what about Blacks?
Why isn’t there a thread on why THEY are locked and loaded to the
Democratic Party well over 90%?..why is THAT never challenged?

So Conservatives need to watch their language regarding Hispanics, we ARE more fickle, we
ARE more complicated…An undeniable KEY to the next Republican President, that’s a certainty
that can’t be denied any longer, but with the disrespecting “language” that’s been thrown about here,
that may not happen anytime soon, so just keep it up with the “hispanic freeloader” language, and see where that takes you.

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Maybe a poor choice of words from me. There are plenty of freeloaders who aren’t Hispanic. I was talking about the huge percentage of the 10 million+ illegals who come illegally and don’t contribute to society but merely take. You know, ask what someone else’s country can do for you, not what you can do for the country generous enough to take you in from the banana republic regimes you fled from.

[pittbulll]

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Why so sad? The Unions won![/quote]

Damn Unions , they are at the root of every American problem , to think the working class would get representation in Washington , Fucking Unions
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Like :)[/quote]
like your like

[pittbulll]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But they are still ‘Cuban-Americans’.

As long as people think of their tribe and not as Americans, politicians will play on that.

[/quote]
You do know that placing a qualifier ahead of American, in this case Cuban, is something that “American”-Americans are responsible for? Those unhyphenated Americans made us choose to qualify our status as Americans. This country has been historically and pathologically averse to the assimilation and integration of the Other and thus, chooses labels to set “real” Americans apart from <insert ethnicity/national origin/race>-Americans. In this case we chose the labels because the ones they would have chosen were either not very flattering (a slur) or inaccurate (the nationality of the country our families came from such as Italian, Polish, Greek, etc, all without the added American) but we had to be labeled nonetheless. In Italy they call me American. In America, where I was born and have lived most of my life and where I even serve in the military, I’m an Italian-American or even just plain Italian.

So since we couldn’t or can’t call ourselves American without a “real” American clearing his throat or rolling his eyes (or worse) we had to, and some still have to, settle for referring to ourselves as hyphenated Americans. It’s better than referring to ourselves using the various slurs that used to be stated with impunity. It ends up sticking because we don’t want to give those who tried, and those who still try, the satisfaction of thinking they shamed us into denying our heritages. Once the “real” Americans try and make us hyphenated Americans feel like we are not as real as they are (and on my mother’s side my roots in this country predate the Revolutionary War but alas, my surname ends in a vowel) we react by asserting our pride in our heritage and turning the label they made us place on ourselves, that they thought would make us feel inferior, into a badge of honor. And we expect and demand that THEIR politicians pander to us just as they pander to any other group. We will be included in the process and our influence will be felt…like it or not. We will also cling to our hyphenated qualifier to remind us and “them” that we were never supposed to join the club. We don’t want to forget the past and more importantly we don’t want them to either.

BTW, more “real” Americans celebrate Cinco de mayo in America than Mexican-Americans. [/quote]

If you are American, just call yourself that. Quit tribing up.

Do you really want white people of non-hispanic descent, to tribe up? Whites are the biggest tribe. You want our version of Nazi Germany?

Look at a map of votes. America is radically divided, with blue blobs in cities and swaths of red in the countryside. Do you seriously think that the white tribe is going to let someone take over the country? You’re delusional.

[/quote]

HH, you have to learn to relax man. It’s one election there are many more to come. The republicans still control the House and in fact picked up even more seats adding to their majority. There will be another election in two years. And in that mid-term election we can pick up seats in the Senate and perhaps again in the House.

Really, take a step back and breath man.

[/quote]

Thanks for the kind words and I’m fine. Its the teacher in me when I see one of my kids doing something genuinely stupid.

I realize that we’ll probably live to see a National Socialist state here and that tribalism will run rampant. But I won’t have to live to see a lot of it so…yeah, who cares?

Who is John Galt?
[/quote]

There is a right wing internet based group using Who is John Galt ? John Galt would have been anti military industrial complex also

[zecarlo]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Look at a map of votes. America is radically divided, with blue blobs in cities and swaths of red in the countryside. Do you seriously think that the white tribe is going to let someone take over the country? You’re delusional.
[/quote]

That’s more of a reflection of education. States that vote Dem also tend to be the states that have a higher % of educated people. In the North East we don’t worry about school prayer and creation “science” but how well our kids are being prepared for college.

BTW, here’s a quote from The Deer Hunter to think about:

Army Doctor: Chevotarevich, is that a Russian name?
Nick: No, it’s an American name.

Who exactly is questioning how American someone is? I can call myself whatever I want but some of you will always see a wop. You don’t want integration, you just want to pour bleach in the melting pot.

[nickj_777]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Who is John Galt?
[/quote]

There is a right wing internet based group using Who is John Galt ? John Galt would have been anti military industrial complex also
[/quote]

Anti-military industrial complex

Anti-media industrial complex

Anti-corporate industrial complex

[pittbulll]

[quote]nickj_777 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Who is John Galt?
[/quote]

There is a right wing internet based group using Who is John Galt ? John Galt would have been anti military industrial complex also
[/quote]

Anti-military industrial complex

Anti-media industrial complex

Anti-corporate industrial complex[/quote]

I have not checked them there are just so many whacked sites out there

[Fletch1986]

If history has taught us anything, it’s that America will eventually not be the #1 superpower. With that said, when it happens is a good question. Maybe a decade or less according to what some seem to think on this board or maybe 200 years. But when it does happen, I really see the US becoming something more like a supersized France than apocalypse.

[kamui]

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
If history has taught us anything, it’s that America will eventually not be the #1 superpower. With that said, when it happens is a good question. Maybe a decade or less according to what some seem to think on this board or maybe 200 years. But when it does happen, I really see the US becoming something more like a supersized France than apocalypse. [/quote]

Maybe there is still time to become a supersized Germany rather than a supersized France.
or several supersized Frances.

[Fletch1986]

Lol. One can only hope.