Understood. The reason I’m tempted to try enclo (if I can find enough information on it) is to raise my levels slightly and see how I feel from then on, if I feel 100x better then exogenous test maybe the way forward for myself. It’s a way of trying to see how I feel before committing to TRT
I’m not sure Enclo will be a good approximation of exogenous Test, especially if it only raises your levels slightly; I wouldn’t expect to feel 100x better from that.
I’d recommend searching for and asking about personal experiences with Enclo, see what you can find. Could definitely be worth it, I honestly can’t speak on it as I have zero experience with it and never researched it
For sure I plan to research it, from what I’ve seen people have really done well with enclo, some people doubling TT and FT, especially people with around 300 TT coming upto around 600-700. However it’s a fairly risk free way to see how it makes me feel. See if the anxiety subsides alot more etc or if it infact makes it worse, at least with enclo it won’t shut down my production and can stop at any time. Granted TRT would certainly be the way however this is a reversible method if it’s not the case
If this onset and level of anxiety happened in approximately one year and before that, as you say were ‘confident, sociable person’ then I highly doubt your test levels are the culprit. Perhaps low test levels aren’t helping the situation but I can only presume that your onset of anxiety is related to a different source.
If you skirmish the forums here, you’ll notice a pattern where many people who started TRT expected to feel a relief in anxiety levels that just didn’t happen or it had very little impact. There are of course exceptions where TRT was the real culprit of their diminished mental state.
I highly suggest that, alongside working to optimize your test levels, you talk to a qualified psychologist/psychiatrist. Again, Cognitive behavioral therapy is my preference but everyone has what works for them. And as @blshaw mentioned, don’t demonize SSRIs. They’ve helped a lot of people cope with life. But ask a professional for alternative anxiolytics like Buspirone and see what they say.
It’s slowly appeared over the last 5 years but only very slightly in certain situations, the last year has been incredibly bad though and accelerated dramatically. There was always a very slight anxiety once in a blue moon for no apparent reason however now it’s daily, there is no reason for this to be happening, there’s literally no reason for it. Everything is good that’s why I’m pointing towards hormones and now I’ve discovered my free T is considered low I’m wondering if this is what’s causing my issues, it’s mainly when I’m in social situations, when I’m at home I’m usually pretty good. Unless when my mind doesn’t want to switch off when I’m trying to sleep
I spoke with a urologist about this once. Part of that is actually due to when you’re waking up. You likely were having nocturnal erections and just woke up prematurely due to the bladder being full and needing to go, rather than the full bladder causing it directly.
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I never would have believed anyone who said what I’m about to say but taking as close to 4000mg of EPA has done more for my anxiety than a Xanax and without any negative side effects, risk of addiction etc & has the added benefit of acting like an SSRI would with regards to depression. I personally use Viva Naturals brand as they offer the most EPA for the dollar. Man short of TRT fish oil has been a major game changer for my mental health. Be sure you’re talking a good multi-vitamin, B-complex and Vitamin D. I promise you the EPA will make a huge difference.
As far as getting to sleep i recommend getting Sleepytime Extra tea and drink it 30 min before bed as well as Magnesium.
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Seconded. This stuff is pretty decent.
I don’t think you’re an asshole… I just think you’re stupid. Well, you might be an asshole too, I don’t know. But you’re definitely not very smart.
I assume you’re here because you’re on trt(150 mg a week?). Why don’t you just drop the trt and “man up” instead? Too easy to give out that advice and not take it yourself? lol
i could but want to live at he highest levels i can, and no i’m not on 150 a week
You must have anxiety, depression and addiction I’m sorry you follow the made up things this world has developed for the weak. Please show me physical lab results that identify these made up commonly used get outta life free cards lol
While ill agree that these diagnosis are far too frequent and are made far too quickly and lightly by doctors, to discount the fact that depression, anxiety and the likes are very real for some people does not add to the discussion or help anyone. I came from your school of thought, until i met someone who actually suffers from it for actual legit reasons.
You never know the shoes someone else has walked. Weak people judge and generalise. Ive been there too. Its a constant battle to get better in life. Life attacks us each in different ways. Such it is.
I’ve had anxiety since my 20’s and at times it has been so debilitating and I have tried all the medications. I can tell you when my hormones deficiencies have been treated I am so much better. I have even said “so this is what it is like to feel normal” No heart pounding or the slightest stress sending me off into panic. I am much more resilient.
Even to the point I am considering going off my small ssri dose if I can attain a long enough stable feeling on trt. I take a small dose of an ssir (luvox) and it has worked ok but it all is not neurotransmitter related in my opinion.
When you have anxiety and you give it power over you it makes it so much more worse. I read all the books and so many of them do not help you deal with it. I found Recovery International and it was the first time it gave me the ability to work on it. First, anxiety is distressing but not dangerous. The class I go to has only a few people anymore. Too easy to medicate and not work on it. It was started by Dr. Lowe before there were medications as he needed to help his patients after they left the hospital. If anyone is interested look it up. It is worth working on.
Full disclosure on my trt. I switched from cream to EOD injections of around 20 mg. First 5 days were a little rough since changing protocols but I feel pretty good the last 4 days and it is day 12 or so on the new protocol. I do think I thought many times it was the trt that was the problem but every time I thought that my levels had crashed again. Cream was so hard for me to maintain levels and relieve symptoms consistently. After 4 to 6 weeks I will check my levels and decide what to do based on that and symptom relief. I am working with Defy now and it is so much better working with a hormone specialist. Patience is the key and it has been a long year for me. I hope the EOD shots continue to help.
Forgot to add, fish oils caused me anxiety and brain fog. I would be careful of supplements. I have never found one to help very much. Even vitamin d affected my sleep while taking 2000 to 4000 international units. I believe it affects melatonin levels. Each one of us is an individual so mileage will vary.
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“When you have anxiety and you give it power over you it makes it so much more worse.”
That is a powerful and very important statement.