Question to You Guys: What Do You THINK is the Main Driver for Muscle Growth?

I can’t believe this thread is so long.

TREN is the main driver of growth. End thread/

Lol. Blabs is a mess, I read all those links. Grandiose delusions for sure. I wonder if he is bipolar

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6JVIXcDkBx/?igshid=69jdwst99bhz
@Paul_Carter i Was thinking about this and I know it’s probably so simple but I’m having a dumb moment. So in the example above the lat is strongest in the lengthened position, but on a chest press your strongest at the top, which is the shortened position for the chest and the triceps, also quads, and glutes in a squat are strongest at the shortened position. But when I think of most isolation exercises for the chest, triceps, quads they are all at the weakest in the shortened position.

Am I right in believing all muscles are stronger in a lengthened position?

So is being strongest at the top of a press or squat just down to muscles working together better?

Muscles have a higher degree of force production when they are slightly lengthened, but where you are going to be stronger is about where you have the most leverage over the load.

All muscles are weakest in the shortened position. But from a leverage perspective you’re going to be able to move more loading when there’s not much ROM. In back movements it’s different because once you pull the arms in close to the body you have less leverage over the load.

You’re overthinking this a bit.

Thanks that makes sense, not something I’m stressing and worrying about but just something that crossed my mind when someone in the comments mention bench. It made me wonder if the technique you used in the vid could be applied to incline press to benefit the chest, but was struggling to figure how that would work!

Don’t worry that isn’t my style at all, it’s just sometimes due to training at home with limited equipment I have to think outside the box to try and get the most out the movements I have.

Man I’d never train at home again.

Not that I’ve spent so much time really working with biomechanics people now.

And if I did I’d get a setup that allows me to work more than shitty barbell resistance curves.

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Agreed it’s not ideal, but I wont trade time with my yound child and important time in the evenings with my wife for actual gym time. So I do the best I can!

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you can do both. when my child was born i switched to a push, pull, and legs. i train at 8 at night now only 3 days a week.

It’s obvious you can do both, but that’s not best for everyone. it’s a greater priority for me to spend as much time as I can with my child and wife. Training is pretty low on the list of priorities, and yet I am stronger than I have ever been, crushing prs, gaining plenty of muscle and looking better than I ever have. I have no issues with making the training from home thing work, so I only have a small amount to gain from travelling to a gym, yet would seriously compromise my family time.

Everyone’s situation/relationship is different.

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In saying that MPS is elevated “all the time” he is contrasting it to MPS in naturals which has been shown to rise for a maximum of about 3 hours after a high leucine meal, and then drops off even if you keep providing more protein, so he considers it to be counter-productive to provide a constant influx of protein, but beneficial rather to spike blood leucine levels and then let them come back down to a baseline level. With anabolics, MPS does not depend on leucine spikes.

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Hey Paul,
In regarda to all this knowledge that comes out from this study and your ecperience, would you still recomend your training program Guaranteed muscle mass, for the 41 yo intermediate lifter aiming only for hypertrophy and with not perfect recovery possibilities? Is there to much volume in that program considering those 350 sets?

If not, training from this study of the topic imply all sets to failure? Sorry if I am asking something that might be obvious, but engliah is not my mother language, and sometimes I am not aure if I intend correctly.
Thanks :slight_smile:

I thought I’d share this here - words from Mike Mentzer aka Mr 1 hard set per exercise

What’s the difference, for instance, whether a bodybuilder does four sets of five exercises or five sets of four, if he hasn’t grasped the cardinal fundamental of exercise science — the fact that a high-intensity training stress, i.e, training to a point of failure, is an absolute, objective requirement for stimulating growth and, therefore, none of his sets is triggering the growth mechanism into motion? Or, not cognizant of the crucial importance of properly regulating the volume and frequency of his workouts because of the body’s strictly limited capacity for tolerating the “wear and tear” of high-intensity training stresses, he becomes so grossly overtained that, even if he were “stimulating” any growth, the overtraining would prevent his body from “producing” growth.

The Fog Grows Deeper

Bodybuilders whose thinking is thusly restricted usually resort to a type of “Russian roulette,” where they move anxiously and uncertainly from one training approach to the next, hoping that someday they luckily happen upon one that works. Or, having sacrificed individual judgment and personal sovereignty entirely, fearing that he – and he alone – suffers a nameless deficiency, many opt to conform to the herd, and blindly follow the other sheep by adopting the training program that has the most adherents in their gym. Little does he suspect that the others are doing the same thing. Like him, they think the others must know what they’re doing; after all, how can the majority be wrong. In fact, the entire world can be wrong and one man right. Remember that even though for thousands of years millions of people thought the earth was flat, such didn’t make it true.

An Identity Crisis

What’s the value of possesing well developed muscles, if the individual is arrested intellectually on the level of a dependent child? Not long ago, in Flex magazine, a very young, heavily muscled, well-known bodybuilder was quoted in bold print, “If 20 sets are good enough for Arnold, it’s good enough for me!”

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Got back to this topic searching for stuff on fortitude training … man I remember reading this whole thing live just before Paul left T-Nation and the Cov hit … it was such a ride

I still think the answer is diet.

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Was curious about his training set up so I Googled “Paul carters gym”.

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The right balance Catabolism (work) and Anabolism (recovery) so you can stay in a Net Positive Balance (gains) for a Long Time (consistency).

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I dunno man…you got any studies to back that up? :slight_smile:

I like: gains increase linearly with reps as one approaches failure but fatigue increases exponentially approaching failure…

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