I’ll agree with you on that. Injuries happen, you play the game you roll the dice. Obviously though you would think intelligent folks would take into consideration certain approaches comapred to others, especially when so much science seems to attest to a range of optimal applications within each possible variable that contributes to growth.
Oh I don’t doubt that there are people saying that, Dante especially (I’ve read plenty of his writing and am quite familiar with his opinions on things). I checked the site and saw plenty of words attesting to such claims, but again, you really don’t see pics and pics of countless naturals before/after pics.
I like to joke that no matter who you work with, or get coached by, they’re all working with the exact same science. How they use that science or present it is a matter of how good they are at coaching, and at being a salesman. IMO if any training system truly was the best option out there, and this goes for any of them you can pick you;d see a hell of a lot of top competitors (photos of them!) all giving credit. Just my two cents of course.
Pretty good. I’ve never known a top Wnbf (strictest testing guidelines) Pro to step onstage over 200 lbs, even those at 6’. I only saw your pics from the 2016 Muscle Mayhem, so that’s the only visuals I’ve got to rely on in terms of what you looked like at under 10%. Any older ones?
I only pick Dorian because he was a top dog. Coleman was a top dog too, and 95% of his training career was the same plan. Dorian changed his split in terms of recovery, but 90% of his movements were exactly the same, week in, week out.
So considering all that, what do you think of overreaching for hypertrophy? Is it effective or purely theoretical?
Seems to me like it might actually be counterproductive since there seems to be a limit to how much volume you can benefit from in a single session.
As far as intentionally overreaching for powerlifting (or other strength sports), there is some debate about that as well. I never had any good results from overreaching, aside from increasing work capacity. Borge Fagerli has spoken about this and says that he doesn’t agree with it. I also asked Josh Bryant a while back and he said that while it’s not unusual for his lifters to be overreached at the end of a training block, he would never intentionally plan to make them overreach because he sees no benefit.
The way I see it, you accumulate fatigue when training no matter what, and the whole idea of peaking is to recover from that fatigue while still being primed for maximal lifts, which should mean a better performance at the meet than what you were capable of in training. But accumulating fatigue is not an objective in itself and is just a side effect of training, plus too much volume is no good as we all know, so it’s not like the extra volume and fatigue are improving performance but rather being fully recovered is what it’s about. Does that make sense?
In my case, I try to avoid overreaching before it’s time to deload because training in an overreached state means that you won’t perform as well, and poor performance in training is not really conducive to strength gains.
around 0.8g per lb is supposed to be enough to maximize muscle growth and recovery if you aren’t in a caloric deficit (then you would need more). If you are eating less protein than that it doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t get bigger or stronger, you just won’t get as good results as if you had eaten more protein.
LOL look dude, I’ve been on the net long enough to encounter just about every kind of person or argument. And you’re one of those passive aggressive types where you’re like “hey man, attacking good buddy, but I’d really love to see some proof. Got any pics?”
This is what’s called JAQing off. It’s where someone pretends to just be “asking questions” under the guise of being polite, but in all reality it’s a form of being passive aggressive.
“Wow, why are you getting so irritated? Just asking questions man.”
I pretty much agree. I used to work out with a guy, he was on gear, and we were talking protein. He said he eats about 130 grams. He said ppl over eat protein. I figure everyone is different but he said he only eat 130
Grams a day and was 220-230 at 5’8” probably 15% bf nearly a 500 lb bencher ( he proabably hit 500 I lost contact with him). He basically was saying you just pass everything you don’t use out.
I think eating higher protein is just better for weight control. I know guys non athletes eating 500-600 carbs a day. I have asked hem why. They aren’t pro athletes. One of them weighs 275, not lean fat out
Of shape but swears that he needs all those carbs.
In any case i usually eat .7-.8 grams per lb. I have no issue gaining muscle
I don’t believe I am. Like I said, I’ve been on the net long enough to spot the “dude, why you getting so riled up? I’m just asking questions.” stuff. It’s a very passive aggressive way to challenge someone’s opinion or stance while making yourself seem nice.
I knew the would get good. All you need is to read Paul’s old writing from the power and bulk days. Shit, even his blog. He is never wrong. He’s accomplished nothing extraordinary in this industry, but talks like he has. Knows everyone, but they don’t know him.
One very extraordinary thing I’ve done all these years, is actually be me online. Never hidden behind a fake profile to talk shit to people, and always put myself out there to be judged.
And if you’re an old PnB member then I already know you’re a do nothing blowhard. That board was full of those. It was like the antithesis of the intensemuscle forums.
So I had to look this up, and I also texted Layne Norton to ask him what his stage weight was when he was competing and if he thought any truly natural guys were stepping onstage at over 2 bills.
Layne says he was in the 190’s. At about 5’10". And that there are probably guys stepping onstage at over 200 pounds natural.
The biggest guys in natural bodybuilding are usually in that range. The 190’s for STAGE weight. I was 225 on the nose for Muscle Mayhem.
But three days after I was in the 240’s. My guess is the guys that step onstage in the natural ranks are well over 200 pounds within a few days after the show when they are fed and not totally depleted.
So it’s a bit misleading to say that guys can’t get to 200+ pounds natural in the mid to low single digits.
I wasn’t getting ready for a bodybuilding show when I was sub 10% at 205-210. I was getting ready to go back into the military. Had I been planning to do bodybuilding at that time then getting leaner and depleted probably means I step onstage in the 190’s as well.
I don’t think there’s anything magical about breaking 2 bills in natural bodybuilding, in legit shape. Depending on how well someone filled out the morning of the show (or did not fill out) could literally be the difference in the scale saying 198 and over 200.
I pulled water early to make the 225 cut off range for heavyweight.
Well there’s no way to truly know if someone is legit natty or just good at beating tests.
But I tend to believe that Layne was natty when he was competing in bodybuilding.
However we’ve reached a point now where basically, anyone that has any appreciable amount of muscle or attains a sick level of conditioning (regardless of what they weigh) gets accused of using drugs.
Hugh Jackman was all of like 188 pounds at 6’1" or so, and it took him about 15 years to get to a really crazy level of conditioning for his Wolverine roles.
“Wonder what his cycle looks like?” was the common reply to him attaining that condition.
Most guys simply don’t have the discipline to get ultra lean, therefore when they see someone who has, they assume right out of the gate that he must be using drugs.
