You are a moron. Paul asked what kind of success those coaches have had using their methods to which xxseraphimxx answered hundreds if not thousands. There was no mention of natty vs not. He did not say low volume systems don’t work he said NO system is producing mass monsters without drugs.
**Number of clients based on training methods means he programs using his volume recommendations. Which is what Paul was asking.
Are you doing accumulation, intensification and realization phases?
Gave it a listen. It was very good pod cast. You
Do these regularly?
We used to, until life got in the way. It was regular until my wife gave birth to our first kid and then we looked at 75 homes til we bought one! 
since then I’ve had little spare time.
Damn I thought me looking at 47 before deciding was stressful!
Are you sure you aren’t the moron? Sure looks like it.
No mention of natural vs. drugs? You must be fucking blind. Plus most of your comments had nothing to do with the comment you were replying to. Learn to read before you try to argue.
That still makes no sense. Are you using Google translate? Buy a dictionary.
I understand man! What’s it listed under in podcasts? I’d like to listen to the content y’all have put out if that’s ok.
It was only ever released on YouTube I believe, under the channel of the previous video.
Guys please take your fight elsewhere, let’s keep this thread on track.
Mike Israetel is preaching his volume theory again on Facebook. See what Schoenfeld added:
“Given that consistently training with high volumes has been purported to hasten the onset of overtraining (9), it can be hypothesized that periodizing volume may enhance hypertrophy. Therefore, the ongoing discussion of high versus low RT volume does not need to be binary; rather, a combination of both approaches might be an optimal long-term strategy that would allow constant progression. Progressively increasing from lower (e.g. 10 sets per muscle per week) to higher (e.g. 20 sets per muscle per week) RT volumes over a period of several months may help to promote a state of functional overreaching, which would, in turn, result in a supercompensation of muscle proteins while reducing the potential for overtraining."
Overreaching resulting in supercompensation of muscle proteins? Is this a real thing?
Hey Paul,
Never conversed with you, so as I’m expressing my own thoughts in your forum, please take them respectfully as such.
In all my years lifting, competing, coaching and judging top level natural pro shows, I have never met one high level competitor who has adhered to, or even given praise to DC training. It seems to be regarded as a “prescription for injuries” according to a few very experienced and developed pros I’ve known.
Well yes, the internet is filled with disgruntled, disillusioned, usually failed individuals who can’t stomach that others can achieve what they can’t. It’s not just in the bodybuilding world, but the 'Net gives people who shouldn’t have any reason for others to value their opinions, and outlet to preach.
Of course the fact that there have been tested shows for decades now (and let’s not go on about how accurate the testing methods are), there are certain limits that none of these competitors seem to be able to surpass until they stop subjecting themselves to tested shows and only do NPC sanctioned ones…
How tall are you big man? I’ve known a few very large framed individuals who off season (5’11 - 6’) weigh in at 230 or so, but come any tested shows, the heaviest I’ve ever seen them make is 200-205 tops (and one of the individuals I’m thinking off won the Wnbf Worlds, so we’re talking serious one in a million genetics right out of the gate!)
Dorian never changed his routine from winning the British Championships to his last Olympia. He may have substituted a few movements to deal with injuries, or taken more recovery days, but his exercise selection was at least (IMO) 90% exactly the same. Arnold too if you think about it. No crazy routines, no latest article in a magazine to follow, just the same movements, hard, heavy, and strict, repeat for years on end. Pretty simple formula.
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I like this.
Not that I’m aware of in any data or studies. It’s pretty much a real thing in terms of strength peaking but for the accumulation of new muscle proteins? I haven’t seen anything to show that.
I find that to be conjecture who are opposed to those training styles all together. It’s basically them just repeating things they have heard from other people about high intensity training. “Oh don’t do that, it’ll get you injured.”
All training, when you push the limits, has the propensity to get you injured.
Don’t do a powerlifting meet. You’ll get injured there. I promise you I’ve never done a single meet where I didn’t see an injury occur. Should people stop powerlifting?
As far as the rest, I don’t recall names but the intensemuscle boards were filled with guys natural and non-natural that grew VERY fast from those methods. I don’t mean like 10-15. There were hundreds. I can ask Dante if you’d like.
I’m 5’11". And when I finally dieted back down I was in fact 210 at sub-10%.
Dorian did in fact rotate in some different movements. His routine did change actually. I believe four or five times.
The first one was when he was training his body in half. One day was arms and legs, and the other day was chest, back, and shoulders.
He then went on to modify that split two more times.
But that’s Dorian. Trying to use one outlier to show contrast to my point isn’t a very strong one.
Arnold also used a ton of different movements and was a huge proponent of the “confusion principle”.
I don’t even need to ask Dante. If you google natural bodybuilding doggcrapp you’ll find a bunch of testimonies on the IM boards from natural bodybuilders.
Would like to hear more on this also. I’ve always followed your rule on this one Paul but see that the higher consumpion seems a pretty big part of DC.
There seems a bit more flexibility for naturally lean guys with later carb cut off and allowence of pro/fat/carb meals and more carb meals in general. I have upped my protein slightly but not hitting the x2.
I didn’t answer that because the answer should be obvious. And I feel like it’s asking a question for the sake of it.
If I felt like the 2 grams of protein per pound of bw was key in adding extra mass then why would I still be recommending 1 gram per pound?
What Lonnie said.
Right on thanks for the reply
One of the main drivers of growth= lift less, eat and sleep more according to Stan Powerbuilding: You Don't Grow In The Gym - NPC News Online