Well you’re free to elaborate…
deadlifts are not a back exercise
pullups are not a bicep exercise so your calculations are a bit off
but criticism is appreciated though
Come again?
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Deadlifts are a poor back builder, but they are most definitely a back exercise.
Also, go do a pull-up without your biceps.
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they don’t load your lats to a significant degree is what I meant. What, are we going to start calling rows bicep exercises now?
Dude wait till you do some kind of deadlift heavy and tell me if your lats aren’t sore
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They do load your lats. And the biceps comment was just to point out that with 30 sets of back, you don’t need bicep work.
If you’re getting results and you like what you’re doing, do it. I’m serious. Don’t worry about what I say or anybody else and do your thing, dude. But this thread is literally the last place on Earth to bust into with a high volume program while thanking the OP for his knowledge.
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Sure, but I think @flappinit has me covered and @swolagani is a teenager so I don’t want to be discouraging; I think it’s awesome you’re lifting weights.
My point was some of us are saying “great point, Paul; so what if I do 3-5 sets with sub-max weights and then a bunch of assistance work for total reps?” Or “what about this split vs that split?”
Unless I’m the one misreading (always possible), the whole point for all of us was do something really hard for a few sets per body part - all the work-up sets and splits don’t matter; and the junk volume is a hindrance.
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By now everybody should understand what the driver for gainz is, how about a little input about possible routines?! 
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Deadlifts are NOT a great back movement. Not done from the floor conventional style. I’ve literally addressed this like a million times. No, they will not get your lats sore if you are doing them correctly. Maybe if the bar is really far away from you and your setup sucks. And you’re having to have the humerus pull the bar back into you on each rep to keep the weight at mid-foot. That just means your setup is shitty and don’t know what you’re doing. But the lats never lengthen in a deadlift, and neither does any part of the thoracic extensors. They are all held in a static position. What part about that stuff don’t you deadlift lovers understand?
If you want to do deadlifts, do em. But they won’t build a big back. I know lots of guys with amazing deadlift leverages that don’t look like they lift weights that can pull over 800. It’s not a great movement. Period.
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Check out the training logs section, brother. We all follow something a bit different but you’ll see similarities in terms of effort. I currently implement the things I’ve picked up from Paul and CT - drop sets, mTor sets (5 sec eccentrics & weighted stretches), 350 sets, rest/pause sets, myo reps/sets, 1.5 reps, 21’s (full reps/top half reps/bottom half or vice versa), etc. I’ve even done drop sets on mTor reps.
All of these things are done to failure, and then sometimes done to failure again. It’s painful, and I love it. 
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What about low or high handle trap bar deadlifts? Are they any good for muscle growth, or pretty much the same thing as conventional?
There’s more knee flexion involved in trap bar deads and you tend to remain more upright. So it’s less posterior chain based and loads the knee extensors a bit better. But I’m not a huge fan of those either, despite a lot of coaches loving them.
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You missed something:
So it’s actually 50 sets.
@swolagani - You should really read this thread and try to learn something. The main takeaway is that not only is doing too much a waste of time, it’s also counterproductive. You will actually make LESS progress doing too much volume, which you most certainly are. On top of that, doing an absurd amount of work like that is putting a ton of stress on your joints and connective tissues which will lead to overuse injuries. In other words, if you keep training like that you will fuck yourself up fast, and you would make faster progress doing less.
@Paul_Carter so not to make you beat a dead horse here, but how do you feel about strongman movements for back growth? I feel like I can row/chin until the cows come home and feel fine, but after some stone loading and farmers’ walks my back/biceps are toast.
I’m sure they are. That’s a lot of static holding but also a lot of connective tissue getting beat to shit. Same for powerlifting. Which is why powerlifters and strongmen are always nursing something.
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Thanks coach. From a hypertrophy standpoint, would you say the juice is worth the squeeze? My guess is probably not.
The reason for that is because you are NATURAL, right?!
Since we have learned on gear your MPS and muscular( not systematic) recovery is on 24/7, the reason to go to the gym on gear surely is totally different, or not? The purpose is to drive nutrients to the muscle, no need to train mTOr and the like, or am I wrong?
Why would it be different? And bros on juice have shown us time and time again that hitting a muscle once every 5-7 days is plenty of volume. Bodybuilders (same guys) also use high rep sets, drop sets, tempo sets, and go to failure.
I’m failing to see the difference in our training. The difference is that their body is in anabolic mode pretty much all the time. Their testosterone is higher and they eat more. The end result is that they grow more than a natural. They also throw in some drugs that limit or even cut fat. The caloric surplus plus that voodoo magic also contributes to muscle growth when the rest of us would add fat.
I don’t see why there isn’t a need for mTor sets. Lots of bodybuilders have used slow eccentrics for their training - long before I ever heard the term “mTor set”. A loaded stretch (done after the mTor set to failure) is also an isometric hold. That has also been utilized by large gym bros for a very long time.
I might be a bit off but PEDs enhance growth and tissue recovery. They also seem to have the ability to cut fat while in a caloric surplus. The training is the same. 10-12 hard sets per muscle per week. The key term here is hard sets.