Question for the Obama Haters

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:
what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money. They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.[/quote]

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.

I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.

Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.

Actually, the government doesn’t need to redistribute any of my wealth. They require a certain amount of taxation to defend this country, pay the people that defend this country, keep the infastructure running as well as make sure there are emergency response services on the road(local level). The federal government should not govern everything.
How is Obama redistributing YOUR “wealth”?

I pay taxes. Obama wants to give that money to people who don’t pay taxes.[/quote]
You contradicted yourself.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:
what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll? Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it![/quote]

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: Is Barack Obama really a socialist? - CSMonitor.com

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.

Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.

Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes. [/quote]

I for one have been witness to the total insanity that can grip a company when it’s bottom line is being effected. And also to the generosity a company can show when they do well.

When it gets down to the bottom line, companies cut hours, salaries, and jobs, period. Even many times when it doesn’t make sense.

I’ve been witness to some inventory tricks that would make you want to shoot the guy that came up with it (cost the company tons of money to make one quarter look better).

If you don’t think you can get fired for black numbers, you haven’t been working long.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.

Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.

Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes.

I for one have been witness to the total insanity that can grip a company when it’s bottom line is being effected. And also to the generosity a company can show when they do well.

When it gets down to the bottom line, companies cut hours, salaries, and jobs, period. Even many times when it doesn’t make sense.

I’ve been witness to some inventory tricks that would make you want to shoot the guy that came up with it (cost the company tons of money to make one quarter look better).

If you don’t think you can get fired for black numbers, you haven’t been working long.[/quote]

I’m agreeing with you, actually.

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“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.” –

Socialist Party of America presidential candidate, Norman Thomas

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
forlife wrote:
I don’t know what the dollar cutoff is, only that the top 5% are the only people that will see a tax increase. Others will stay the same or see a tax decrease under Obama.

So I’m wondering why this is such a big issue, given that it is unlikely to affect most of the people on this board.

If you tax wealthy people you kill productivity. These are the people that own all the capital used to grow the wealth of a “nation”. These are the people that provide income to everyone.

The more you tax them (and the wealth they produce) the less they have for their ventures and hence the less that a “nation” will have in the way of income as well as tax revenue.

[/quote]

Laughably wrong, or please post proof that Clinton’s tax rate KILLED productivity and/or revenue.

Honestly WTF are you talking about?

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[quote]100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:

what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money. They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll? Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it![/quote]

When the hell did I say anything about McCain? I probably hate the republicans more than you. If I don’t like Obama I’m a racist white trash, hypocritacal bible thumper, closet homosexual right? Fuck you and you stereotyping ass.

Though it does seem funny that the most productive members of the economy tend to be republican.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:
what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll? Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1030/p09s01-coop.html[/quote]

Again, there is NOTHING socialist about returning to the Clinton tax rate on one quintile. Reagan wasn’t a socialist, nor Nixon, nor IKE. All had tax rates higher.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.

Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.

Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes.

I for one have been witness to the total insanity that can grip a company when it’s bottom line is being effected. And also to the generosity a company can show when they do well.

When it gets down to the bottom line, companies cut hours, salaries, and jobs, period. Even many times when it doesn’t make sense.

I’ve been witness to some inventory tricks that would make you want to shoot the guy that came up with it (cost the company tons of money to make one quarter look better).

If you don’t think you can get fired for black numbers, you haven’t been working long.

I’m agreeing with you, actually.[/quote]

Sorry, meant to quote forlife.

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Where does this idea that if we disagree with somebody, we must hate them come from?

It is thoughts like this that close a persons mind.

If you want to know why I believe he is a bad choice for President, I believe he will be devastating to our country, if he gets his programs through Congress, which would be likely with the way the Congress is shaping up right now.

Over and over socialism keeps failing. It never works, and yet it keeps getting pushed as the way to benefit society.

I have heard the left talk about taxes not being used to generate revenue, but to make things “fair”. (I think Obama has stated as much if my memory serves me right.) But these ideas are in no way fair. If you work hard, you are punished, and if you do not, you are rewarded. This is the road to disaster.

It is also codependence.

And while only the “rich” will be affected, nobody ever thinks, “Where do they get their money?” The reason they are rich is not luck, but the fact that they understand money.

And because of that, nothing the government does will significantly increase what they are paying. If they do pay more, it will come from increased prices, and cut labor. Meaning the people the left supposedly is trying to help will be the ones who take the brunt of the changes. “Gee, why is my hamburger $20?”

Next I see our military being gutted, leaving us weak. And a foreign policy based on popularity instead of intelligence and self interest is a disaster. (Oh no, the other countries don’t like us.)

Oops, out of time.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:

what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: Is Barack Obama really a socialist? - CSMonitor.com

Again, there is NOTHING socialist about returning to the Clinton tax rate on one quintile. Reagan wasn’t a socialist, nor Nixon, nor IKE. All had tax rates higher. [/quote]

Don’t forget Obama’s programs and initiatives to “spread the wealth.”

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[quote]100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.

I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.

Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.

Actually, the government doesn’t need to redistribute any of my wealth. They require a certain amount of taxation to defend this country, pay the people that defend this country, keep the infastructure running as well as make sure there are emergency response services on the road(local level). The federal government should not govern everything.
How is Obama redistributing YOUR “wealth”?

I pay taxes. Obama wants to give that money to people who don’t pay taxes.
You contradicted yourself.
[/quote]

Wait you think because he is taking less of my money that some how he is giving something to me? I earned it, it was mine to begin with. He still wants to take thousands of dollars from me and use portions of that money to give to people that don’t pay anything.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
forlife wrote:
I don’t know what the dollar cutoff is, only that the top 5% are the only people that will see a tax increase. Others will stay the same or see a tax decrease under Obama. So I’m wondering why this is such a big issue, given that it is unlikely to affect most of the people on this board.

If you tax wealthy people you kill productivity. These are the people that own all the capital used to grow the wealth of a “nation”. These are the people that provide income to everyone.

The more you tax them (and the wealth they produce) the less they have for their ventures and hence the less that a “nation” will have in the way of income as well as tax revenue.

Laughably wrong, or please post proof that Clinton’s tax rate KILLED productivity and/or revenue.

Honestly WTF are you talking about?

[/quote]
Point to where in my post I said it would kill all productivity. In fact, I distinctly said there would be LESS productivity.

Kill is a metaphorical verb not to be taken literally. Your argument is non sequitur anyway and doesn’t negate the essential feature of my argument. More taxation does indeed reduce productivity.

I don’t know what Clinton has to do with taxation in general.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
100meters wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
forlife wrote:
I don’t know what the dollar cutoff is, only that the top 5% are the only people that will see a tax increase. Others will stay the same or see a tax decrease under Obama. So I’m wondering why this is such a big issue, given that it is unlikely to affect most of the people on this board.

If you tax wealthy people you kill productivity. These are the people that own all the capital used to grow the wealth of a “nation”. These are the people that provide income to everyone.

The more you tax them (and the wealth they produce) the less they have for their ventures and hence the less that a “nation” will have in the way of income as well as tax revenue.

Laughably wrong, or please post proof that Clinton’s tax rate KILLED productivity and/or revenue.

Honestly WTF are you talking about?

Point to where in my post I said it would kill all productivity. In fact, I distinctly said there would be LESS productivity.

Kill is a metaphorical verb not to be taken literally. Your argument is non sequitur anyway and doesn’t negate the essential feature of my argument. More taxation does indeed reduce productivity.

I don’t know what Clinton has to do with taxation in general.[/quote]

Ok, let me point to it:
“If you tax wealthy people you kill productivity”

Since you’ve changed your tune a bit…please point to how Clinton’s tax rate “reduced” prodcuctivity. (These are the rates Obama is returning to after all)

You won’t be able to point to it, because you’re making stuff up, because clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about, you literally don’t even know what you’re saying.

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Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:

what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: Is Barack Obama really a socialist? - CSMonitor.com

Again, there is NOTHING socialist about returning to the Clinton tax rate on one quintile. Reagan wasn’t a socialist, nor Nixon, nor IKE. All had tax rates higher.

Don’t forget Obama’s programs and initiatives to “spread the wealth.”
[/quote]

For example?

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:

what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: Is Barack Obama really a socialist? - CSMonitor.com

Again, there is NOTHING socialist about returning to the Clinton tax rate on one quintile. Reagan wasn’t a socialist, nor Nixon, nor IKE. All had tax rates higher.

Don’t forget Obama’s programs and initiatives to “spread the wealth.”

For example?[/quote]

He specifically said that the idea behind his policies was to spread the wealth. That a good example?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.

I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.

Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.

Actually, the government doesn’t need to redistribute any of my wealth. They require a certain amount of taxation to defend this country, pay the people that defend this country, keep the infastructure running as well as make sure there are emergency response services on the road(local level).

The federal government should not govern everything.
How is Obama redistributing YOUR “wealth”?

I pay taxes. Obama wants to give that money to people who don’t pay taxes.
You contradicted yourself.

Wait you think because he is taking less of my money that some how he is giving something to me? I earned it, it was mine to begin with. He still wants to take thousands of dollars from me and use portions of that money to give to people that don’t pay anything.[/quote]

Who doesn’t pay anything? And the point is Obama would be taking less of your money and thus “give” less to those who “don’t pay anything”. So good, you’re voting for Obama.

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Let me start by saying I would like there to be 5 parties and candidates to choose from. Rigging an election between two parties is hardly democracy.

I am also not a hater of either person.

McCain wants to cut taxes for the “rich” and Obama wants to raise taxes for the rich.

Think about it, McCain cutting taxes for the rich is actually raising taxes for everyone else. Why should the middle class pay higher taxes than the wealthy?

I see a seperation growing in this country between the classes. This is a very dangerous thing to happen. If people do not have the basics met they do crazy things. Think about it, they have nothing to lose.