[quote]JASE72 wrote:
what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.
They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!![/quote]
Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The wealthy who on the companies most of us work at control their pay as well as mine.
With higher taxes on them, who do you think they are going to let take the drop in lifestyle?
I doubt rich CEOs are going to lower the salaries of their employees to keep their own salary high. Most board of directors would have something to say about that.
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[quote]schultzie wrote:
isn’t kind of the only reason you 150k + people are making that much and sustaining that much because there are 10+ living on the other side of that teeter totter keeping you elevated?
the reason poor people are dumb and lazy as shit is because of this stuff, it takes a few generations before this is going to change.
why isn’t there any white trash in norway?
oh btw im Canadian and talking out of my ass mostly[/quote]
Wait, so being poor make’s people lazy? How the fuck do you go about saying that?
[quote]forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:
what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.
They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!
Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.[/quote]
So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.
If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.
All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Because stealing my money to pay for necessities is different than stealing it to specifically give to someone else. I guess my point is that roads benefit the people paying for them at least, welfare doesn’t.
If it’s not too personal a question, is this because you are in the top 5% that would see a tax increase under Obama? If you’re not, you would be paying the same taxes regardless.[/quote]
What you aren’t understanding is the top 5% include people like the company I work for. If there bottom line is affected, then they will either have to raise prices or make cuts. So you either have a case of inflation or increased unemployment…
I won’t give a shit about my middle class tax cut if my money is worth less or I am sitting in the unemployment line.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I work for a privately owned company.[/quote]
Privately owned companies still need a competitive workforce. If you don’t offer market salaries commensurate with a person’s skills, that person is going elsewhere.
[quote]snipeout wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.
I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.
Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.
Actually, the government doesn’t need to redistribute any of my wealth.
They require a certain amount of taxation to defend this country, pay the people that defend this country, keep the infastructure running as well as make sure there are emergency response services on the road(local level).
The federal government should not govern everything.[/quote]
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I work for a privately owned company.
Privately owned companies still need a competitive workforce. If you don’t offer market salaries commensurate with a person’s skills, that person is going elsewhere.[/quote]
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
katzenjammer wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.
I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.
Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.
If I had to choose one thing, I’d go with his faux humility - hiding (barely) an overweening arrogance, an oily insincerity, and a huge dose of narcissism. IMO, all else flows from that.
Hah! You just described the job description for a politician.[/quote]
[quote]100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.
I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.
Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.
Actually, the government doesn’t need to redistribute any of my wealth. They require a certain amount of taxation to defend this country, pay the people that defend this country, keep the infastructure running as well as make sure there are emergency response services on the road(local level). The federal government should not govern everything.
How is Obama redistributing YOUR “wealth”?
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I pay taxes. Obama wants to give that money to people who don’t pay taxes.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.[/quote]
Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I don’t know what the dollar cutoff is, only that the top 5% are the only people that will see a tax increase. Others will stay the same or see a tax decrease under Obama. So I’m wondering why this is such a big issue, given that it is unlikely to affect most of the people on this board.
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If you tax wealthy people you kill productivity. These are the people that own all the capital used to grow the wealth of a “nation”. These are the people that provide income to everyone.
The more you tax them (and the wealth they produce) the less they have for their ventures and hence the less that a “nation” will have in the way of income as well as tax revenue.
A small sales tax would provide a revenue stream for government far greater than any progressive tax ever could.
Besides, the government has a printing press for money why do they need to steal mine directly out of my pocket when they can do it with “magic”?
[quote]forlife wrote:
From the responses to far, it seems most of you dislike Obama because you disagree with the “Robin Hood doctrine”.
I can see letting people keep their own money, instead of forcing them to give it to others. It’s really a question of how much you take though, since I’m sure most of you agree that a government requires a certain amount of wealth redistribution in order to function.
Anyway, it’s interesting that most of you oppose Obama primarily on economic grounds rather than on other issues like his approach to international policy, social issues, etc.[/quote]
I oppose obama and fundamentally everything he stands for. He kills babies, I am pro-life…He voted to deny medical care to infants born alive for crying out loud…It’s hard to be more morally deplorable than that…Virtually everybody aggrees that a baby alive out side of the pussy is a human being.
That piece of shit denied those babies any hope for survival…They were to lay there untreated to fucking die. It’s is difficult to be a bigger piece of shit then that.
His arguments that it would have affect the status of Roe v. Wade is bullshit, it had nothing to do with it. His other argument that there was a law already on the books is likewise bullshit, there wasn’t and isn’t. He voted agianst it 4 times! Why would a law that already exists be brought forward 4 times in the state legislature?
I oppose his stance on Israel. I oppose his pulling of the troops regardless of the situation. I oppose his socialist economic policies. I oppose his government run health care, I oppose his tax policies, I oppose the whole motherfucker…
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.
Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.
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Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
A small sales tax would provide a revenue stream for government far greater than any progressive tax ever could.
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I agree, would much rather see a flat sales tax in place than the convolutions of the current tax code.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.
Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.
Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes. [/quote]
Absolutely…The U.S. is already one of the most expensive places to own a company in the world. All we need is yet more incentive to send jobs over seas. To keep working for American companies, we’ll all have to move to India, China, or Indonesia where the jobs are going.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Now I have to quit and find another job? well, if everyone does that in private companies, there will be a lot of people looking and my market value would drop.
Or more likely, a savvy CEO would realize that he needs to retain his talent and would avoid making such a myopic decision just to pad his short-term salary.
Or, the savvy CEO might take HIS skills elsewhere. Maybe even overseas. Shouldn’t have raised those taxes. [/quote]
Could it be that said CEO feels he has only one life that he will not sacrifice for someone that is trying to rob him?