Yeah bulk to about 6’4 and you should be good to go cause you sure wouldn’t deter me otherwise.
I’m 5’10", 190#ish and I work at a bar in DC. One of the other dudes on this site got me the job as a matter of fact. It sucks being the little guy because you feel like you have something to prove some of the time. But I really havn’t had too much of a problem. I always look pretty pissed off because I’m not a huge fan of rich, preppy college kids who think they own the world. Attitude goes a long way. You tell someone to “chill the fuck out” like you mean it and most likely they will (plus the fact that I still look like a jarhead probably helps).
Drunk guys fighting are fairly easy to break up too, but then again I havn’t been there too long and had LARGE fights to deal with, just little scraps so far. The main thing is all of us have each others backs. It’s never just one of us kicking someone out. Hell, saturday night 4 of us took a dude out the back. And chances are, you should be able to see something starting before it really erupts.
I’m not the biggest guy and I’m still pretty green, but I like it a lot.
DD
So if 210 is still “little”, what do I have to be in order to be a legit presence in the club? 220? 260? My ideal frame is 230 lbs. at about 8% - but thats down the road…way down the road.
[quote]ScrappyAsHell wrote:
So if 210 is still “little”, what do I have to be in order to be a legit presence in the club? 220? 260? My ideal frame is 230 lbs. at about 8% - but thats down the road…way down the road.
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I have never worked as a bouncer, but I tend to think, to a point, height is more important than weight.
I’m 5’6", 220 and I live right next door to a concert hall and I thought about working security there. I have talked to and know a few of the guys there and most tower over me. I outweigh a few, but still feel small around most of them. I personally thinks it is more intimidating for people to literally have to look up to someone talking to them.
At my height, I would probably have to weigh close to 250 to equal the height intimidation factor. And even then, I think people–especially drunks–are not going to have a lot of fear or intimidation in their hearts from someon my heights. I don’t want to have to fight all the time to prove myself at a shitty paying job.
I respect all you said Scrappy and I personally dont think size matters in being a bouncer.
I am neither tall nor built and manage to control some of the rougthest places even when I have worked on my own.
And I am not disrespecting you in this comment but if you got upset because of something writen here do you think that you can remain cool and calm when some guy says the type of thing we hear every night.
somethings are so digusting and insulting or threatening to your loved ones that I wont repeat here.
My suggestions find a good club and talk to the bouncers in person ask them what they think check out how they work we have so many dickheads in the industry no matter which country you live in.
Listen out for the old timers, get some full contact martial arts training if even just to find out what it feels like to be hit.
If getting bigger is what you want do that but its not nessacery.
Fluffy
[quote]ScrappyAsHell wrote:
So if 210 is still “little”, what do I have to be in order to be a legit presence in the club? 220? 260? My ideal frame is 230 lbs. at about 8% - but thats down the road…way down the road.
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The only ones who will tell you that size does not matter…usually are the ones who don’t have the size to know the difference. I am just letting you know that some jobs you work will pay more for larger guys because you present more of a deterrent for things to pop off in the first place. Your exact weight isn’t so much the issue but your overall look and presence. When I was working like I mentioned before, I think I only weighed about 240lbs at the time. From what I can tell, I just have a look like I am pissed off even when I’m not and I think people respond to that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Country wrote:
First off, the difference between 200 and 210 is not much (visibly or literally). Secondly, I would hope to hell that you could put on 10 pounds in 6 months. That is only .4 lbs./wk. Most people bulking strive for about a pound a week if I recall.
I would suggest that you set your aim slightly higher. That is just my opinion.
Chris
Muscle is bad, mm’kay?[/quote]
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[quote]matsm21 wrote:
Snatch that ID and head straight to the door. He will always drop everything and give chase. Once he’s out the door he’s easier to control.
haha thats a good one, im gonna try that!
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Personally, I wouldn’t use this one. Turning your back on a drunk asshole doesn’t sound like such good idea to me when clubs are packed and heading for the door is a slow process.
For guys that work in the industry, check out this site:
http://www.moraysecurity.com/php/viewforum.php?f=4&start=0&sid=26e4c7154a7e757795540f7609918f58
Honestly, is there a reason you cant work night shifts in a factory, or a callcentre?
You get paid pretty much the same im sure, and you dont get tied up in a potentially very seedy world.
Could you start a little business of some kind for yourself?
Heck, get your security license and work in an art gallery of something. If you really want to get into bouncing tho… fine.
Just be aware that some club owners may also be criminals, next thing you know they are asking you to do a little delivery for twice your normal pay. Then who knows where your wonderful career will go from there.
Fuck being a bouncer, if you go seeking out that job, you should ask yourself exactly why you have chosen it as a job. Since its not like you have any offers being thrown at you, the effort you will spend in ‘getting in’ might be better spent doing something else.
My suspicion from reading your posts is that you are preoccupied with whether or not you can do it… meaning you are trying to prove something to yourself. “Can I be a bouncer at 5’10” 200lb and 8% bodyfat?"
The answer is yes, of course, and there’s probably someone who will pay you to do it.
You can however, be anything else you want to be.
Peace bro, keep lifting, and have fun, join the army parttime even if you want a martial career. And yeah, fuck bouncing.
And to the rest of the bouncers out there, keep up the good work. Someone’s gotta do it.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
matsm21 wrote:
Snatch that ID and head straight to the door. He will always drop everything and give chase. Once he’s out the door he’s easier to control.
haha thats a good one, im gonna try that!
Personally, I wouldn’t use this one. Turning your back on a drunk asshole doesn’t sound like such good idea to me when clubs are packed and heading for the door is a slow process.
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That’s true. You must use caution but I worked at a club for 5 years that had a 7,500 person capacity and a security staff of 60. You have to get them out before 7,000 others join the fight. I also feel the fact we charged $25-$50 to get in kept the trouble makers out.
[quote]ScrappyAsHell wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Scrappy
I dont always agree with Bodyguard but he is rigth on the money with everything he posted even the Alpha Male thing.
The Alpha Male is not some ripped huge monster of a man but someone that people give almost instant respect to.
The place I am currently working in has 3 guys that you would call an Alpha Male, the owner of the place is a member of a well known crime family even thougth he is only 5’5" noone cross’s him even if you dont know his background because he give off a certain vibe.
Myself not because I am big or my devestating good looks but my confidense I am a trained proffessional and even thougth I may joke and have fun with the crowd, my confidences make people think twice before starting something.
The other guy is just a regular customer and he just oozes dont fuck with me. he is always with some hottie on his arm but he has that aura that just say you wont survive the encounter.
Even then some idiot will come in looking to start a fight.
Your rigth we dont know your attitude or demeanor so we have to give general answers, and you hit the nail on the head it is a potentially dangerous, who other than an Alpha Male can pull it of sure there are plenty of bouncers who are not alpha males and will never be, but are in that industrie, Shit Happens
Fluffy
I see what you’re sayin man. I totally understand that the business you guys are involved in is extremely dangerous. Thats why I want to know as much as I can before I involve myself in this trade.
But like I said, 200 lbs. at 8% isnt shit. I realize that size plays a very important role. I’m gonna put on some more pounds before I jump into this. I want to be at least 210. I can pack that on in about 6 months if I put my mind to it.
Anyway, I’m not trying to start shit with anybody. I appreciate all of your guys responses - even the “Alpha Male” stuff.
When people started questioning whether I have the balls to be a bouncer, I felt the need defend myself - even if it is over the internet. Like I said, I’m not a pussy - I pay my dues in the gym on a daily basis, and I was able to hang in on a nationally ranked rugby team for a year without any prior experience. I played 4 years of varsity football, and I have been involved in more scraps than I can count. I don’t want to sound like a fuckin e-thug, but I don’t like when certain characteristics about me are called into question by people who don’t know me. The issue at hand is whether I have the size to bounce, and right now, at a solid 200, I don’t think I do.
Anyway, do you guys think if I can bulk to 210 at about 8% I would be legit for a bouncer, or do I need to get even bigger?
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I’m not even going to address your first disrespectul reply b/c it says more about you than me. Moving on…
Back to my Alpha thing; it’s kinda like looking at something expensive in the window - if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it. For you to come here and wonder if you can be a bouncer, for whatever reason, does not speak volumes of confidence to me. So, I pointed out the obvious.
It doesn’t make you some pussy by the way and your reply and moreover, your initial over-reaction, as already pointed out, kinda confirms what I suspected.
You can be in all the “scraps” you want or otherwise be “scrappy”…however, in that setting, if you have to trade blows or be “scrappy”, it’s not exactly a success. Alpha males have a way of backing people down before blows are thrown - it’s not the be all end all but it tends to weed out alot of trouble and that’s your job as a bouncer. Call it what you want; I like to call it the bitch up factor - 9 people out of 10 - I can make bitch up without throwing a blow; You however, may have to fight to prove your point and in this industry - that is a failure.
I’m not going to belabor this any further - those that know, know, those that don’t, don’t. If after some reflection, you have some legitimate questions other than “am I big enough” (to which you have already received feedback), I’d be happy to weigh in.
But I’m with the other poster who said, why the hell would you WANT to do it? The pay is shitty…PERIOD. So you ask, why did I do it? Well first, my main occupation at the time was a personal protection specialist (bodyguard)…I just did the security thing at night to get away from the lady at home, get out with the boys and otherwise shoplift the poon tang. Dude, I’d have a grand in my pocket and be adding that measly under the table pay at the end of the night - didn’t mean squat.
So, if I really needed extra money? I wouldn’t have been doing nightclub security. I wanted out of the house on weekend nights!
And bro, one last thought; you NEVER know what can happen - I can tell lots of stories as I’m sure other bouncers here can. But no matter what crew you work with, how good they are, shit can happen. I’ve been alone with 2 or more guys trying to fight me. I ask you; at your size can you handle that? And I’m not challenging your “manhood”…what I mean is, for the pay, would you WANT to deal with that? Again, you may be wondering, then why the hell did I bother? Well, other than what I already stated, I, back then, LIKED to fight. If you attacked me, or better, there was more than one guy, I had license to do what I do - and back then I enjoyed it. It was an excuse to hurt you.
I’m over that now 
Maybe I lost 10% or so of my natural test production…lol. Good luck whatever you decide and stay safe. I aint mad at ya or your reply.
[quote]perseng wrote:
Fuck being a bouncer, if you go seeking out that job, you should ask yourself exactly why you have chosen it as a job. Since its not like you have any offers being thrown at you, the effort you will spend in ‘getting in’ might be better spent doing something else.
My suspicion from reading your posts is that you are preoccupied with whether or not you can do it… meaning you are trying to prove something to yourself. “Can I be a bouncer at 5’10” 200lb and 8% bodyfat?"[/quote]
I agree with all of this. I did it because I was approached for it. I went through with it for the experience. I would have never actually sought out that job on my own. I already know how people respond to me so I didn’t have anything to prove by doing it.
I know why I was approached and I never had problems with anyone while I did it. If you are here asking if you can, if you should or if you have what it takes, it probably means you DON’T. If you don’t already know how people respond to your presence when you walk in a room, you need more life experience to figure that out. I have no doubt that most of the guys chosen for shit like that are the type who walk in a room and either immediately stand out more than others or who have a level of confidence that others respond to initially.
Scrappy…
Here is a blog written by a NYC bouncer that’s informaive and quite entertaining. (Everyone should check it out for a laugh. The guy is a real T-Man.)
I think it might give you some insight.
Try to think, for a second, what it is you are fundamentally doing as a bouncer at the door of a club.
You are defending alcohol sales (or maybe the drug sales in the case of rave style clubs, that the owners may often have an interest in).
One of the things I like about T-Nation is the fact that so many people here are non-drinkers or light drinkers for the most part. They dont take stupid drugs… usually, and always value their health.
It is generally not in the club owner’s interest that their patrons are going to be ‘moderate’ in their intake of substances. However, they may become violent when they take a lot. The extra money spent on bouncers to bandaid this problem is easily offset by the extra drinks/drugs that are sold. Simple economics.
Thats all that you will be in the end, a guy employed by alcohol and drug money and this might damage your integrity.
If the money is what you need, then being gay for pay would pay even more. Especially at 5’11, 200lbs and 8% bodyfat.
[quote]perseng wrote:
Try to think, for a second, what it is you are fundamentally doing as a bouncer at the door of a club.
You are defending alcohol sales (or maybe the drug sales in the case of rave style clubs, that the owners may often have an interest in).
One of the things I like about T-Nation is the fact that so many people here are non-drinkers or light drinkers for the most part. They dont take stupid drugs… usually, and always value their health.
It is generally not in the club owner’s interest that their patrons are going to be ‘moderate’ in their intake of substances. However, they may become violent when they take a lot. The extra money spent on bouncers to bandaid this problem is easily offset by the extra drinks/drugs that are sold. Simple economics.
Thats all that you will be in the end, a guy employed by alcohol and drug money and this might damage your integrity.
If the money is what you need, then being gay for pay would pay even more. Especially at 5’11, 200lbs and 8% bodyfat.
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Alcohol and drug money? Do you have friends? I mean, real people who go outside? You can’t honestly be this uptight in real life. Nearly all of my friends drink alcohol. In fact, I am the only one who doesn’t find getting drunk a great way to end every Saturday night. They do their thing, I do mine. We come together due to other interests, however, I would never have taken the position you just took on the issue. Have you been to a club lately?
[quote]ScrappyAsHell wrote:
How big does a guy have to be to bounce at night clubs? I’m 5’11" at 200 lbs, 8% body fat. I know that this ain’t shit in the whole scheme of things, but is it big enough to bounce?
The reason I ask is because the other day I overheard some kid in my college gym talking about his job as a bouncer. He is a bit bigger than me, but he is weak as hell. So I was thinkning, if this weak pussy can bounce, why can’t I?
Plus, I was at the strip club last week, and as I looked around at the clientele, there was no one there that would give me problems, physically speaking, unless he was a trained fighter.
So, to all you bouncers out there, set me straight: should I put another 30 pounds on my bitch-ass, or do I have a legit shot at bouncing?[/quote]
My first door Job I was 6’ 230lbs. One day this girl comes in and says “You are the smallest Doorman I have ever seen!”. It was pretty funny.
[quote]perseng wrote:
Try to think, for a second, what it is you are fundamentally doing as a bouncer at the door of a club.
You are defending alcohol sales (or maybe the drug sales in the case of rave style clubs, that the owners may often have an interest in).
One of the things I like about T-Nation is the fact that so many people here are non-drinkers or light drinkers for the most part. They dont take stupid drugs… usually, and always value their health.
It is generally not in the club owner’s interest that their patrons are going to be ‘moderate’ in their intake of substances. However, they may become violent when they take a lot. The extra money spent on bouncers to bandaid this problem is easily offset by the extra drinks/drugs that are sold. Simple economics.
Thats all that you will be in the end, a guy employed by alcohol and drug money and this might damage your integrity.
If the money is what you need, then being gay for pay would pay even more. Especially at 5’11, 200lbs and 8% bodyfat.
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WHAT??? “If the money is what you need, then being gay for pay would pay even more.” Working as a bouncer might “damage your integrity”!? So you might as well be “Gay for Pay”!!! Gee that won’t damage your integrity much! Perseng i think you should stop doing “Stupid drugs”!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Alcohol and drug money? Do you have friends? I mean, real people who go outside? You can’t honestly be this uptight in real life. Nearly all of my friends drink alcohol. In fact, I am the only one who doesn’t find getting drunk a great way to end every Saturday night. They do their thing, I do mine. We come together due to other interests, however, I would never have taken the position you just took on the issue. Have you been to a club lately?[/quote]
Yes, clubs make their money from alcohol and drugs. If I am wrong on that point, please correct me.
With regards to the rest of your post, I’m not even going to glorify that with a reply.
[quote]Spartan300 wrote:
WHAT??? “If the money is what you need, then being gay for pay would pay even more.” Working as a bouncer might “damage your integrity”!? So you might as well be “Gay for Pay”!!! Gee that won’t damage your integrity much! Perseng i think you should stop doing “Stupid drugs”![/quote]
And if you think I meant that seriously, then you should stop stealing my stash.