Question about Tren/Test

Pharma / TRT
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Stats:
Age: 21
Weight: 181 lbs
Years working out: 3
Height: 5ft 5
Experience: I have not done a steroid cycle before, but I have done 2 DNP cycles and 1 clen/T3 cycles in the past.

I will be doing Tren-acetate on my first cycle. I know that it is best to do Tren with Test base, but here is my dilemma. I just turned 21 and I’m afraid that because Test aromatizes, it can possibly stunt my growth. However, without Test, I’m afraid I’ll end up with a Tren dick for months.

Is there anyway to settle this dilemma? Can I take an incredibly small dose of Test-e so that I dont have libido problems while at the same time I don’t get gyno and pose the risk of stunting my height?

Your constructive advice in this matter will me highly appreciated.

(btw: I plan to take 50 mg of Tren ED).

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You used DNP, clen, and T3 without AAS? Were you able to keep much muscle?

Look, I know its a pain in the ass to search for the answers you seek. The fact remains, your questions have been answered many times on this forum and others. Researching will only make you understand better what you are thinking about doing.

I’m sure someone will answer you, but it won’t be me, as I have no idea how your body will respond to what you are thinking about putting in your body. And quite frankly not many people, aside from those who are actually paid for their advice on AAS use will have a better idea of how you will respond to these drugs. Please keep that in mind when you take the advice of others.

I also cannot see how this or any other steroid forum will evolve when these questions are repeated over and over and over. Do you research and experiment at your own risk.

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[quote]Machina wrote:
Stats:
Age: 21
Weight: 181 lbs
Years working out: 3
Height: 5ft 5
Experience: I have not done a steroid cycle before, but I have done 2 DNP cycles and 1 clen/T3 cycles in the past.

I will be doing Tren-acetate on my first cycle. I know that it is best to do Tren with Test base, but here is my dilemma. I just turned 21 and I’m afraid that because Test aromatizes, it can possibly stunt my growth. However, without Test, I’m afraid I’ll end up with a Tren dick for months.

Is there anyway to settle this dilemma? Can I take an incredibly small dose of Test-e so that I dont have libido problems while at the same time I don’t get gyno and pose the risk of stunting my height?

Your constructive advice in this matter will me highly appreciated.

(btw: I plan to take 50 mg of Tren ED). [/quote]

For the purpose of keeping libido up during a cycle that has no DHT i would always go with proviron.

IME with Nandrolone the proviron always needed to be higher by a decent degree.

I do not really recommend you continue along this path with your current train of thought - without more details.
Simply as this is a bad cycle, and one that will cause problems post cycle. And you are justifying it for the wrong reasons.

How much do you intend to grow at 18 and 5’5"?
Why dont you wait until you are sure you have finished growing?

Why is it always the lads who are short as fuck who are worried about stunting their growth?!

Good luck. Dont run this cycle.

JJ

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Machina wrote:
Stats:
Age: 21
Weight: 181 lbs
Years working out: 3
Height: 5ft 5
Experience: I have not done a steroid cycle before, but I have done 2 DNP cycles and 1 clen/T3 cycles in the past.

I will be doing Tren-acetate on my first cycle. I know that it is best to do Tren with Test base, but here is my dilemma. I just turned 21 and I’m afraid that because Test aromatizes, it can possibly stunt my growth. However, without Test, I’m afraid I’ll end up with a Tren dick for months.

Is there anyway to settle this dilemma? Can I take an incredibly small dose of Test-e so that I dont have libido problems while at the same time I don’t get gyno and pose the risk of stunting my height?

Your constructive advice in this matter will me highly appreciated.

(btw: I plan to take 50 mg of Tren ED).

For the purpose of keeping libido up during a cycle that has no DHT i would always go with proviron.

IME with Nandrolone the proviron always needed to be higher by a decent degree.

I do not really recommend you continue along this path with your current train of thought - without more details.
Simply as this is a bad cycle, and one that will cause problems post cycle. And you are justifying it for the wrong reasons.

How much do you intend to grow at 18 and 5’5"?
Why dont you wait until you are sure you have finished growing?

Why is it always the lads who are short as fuck who are worried about stunting their growth?!

Good luck. Dont run this cycle.

JJ[/quote]

How is a Tren and test-e cycle bad? I know one can make solid gains from such a cycle. I really dp believe I have potential to grow, but I dont want Test to shut down my growth. At the same time, I know a tren only cyle is a bad idea. People are suggesting I do a test-only cycle, but because of the aforementioned reason, I am really hesitant.

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Listen bro not to sound like a dick but im pretty sure if ur 21 and ur 5’5 your not growing anymore lol. And if you did it wouldnt be much, maybe half an inch?

Im pretty sure the average male (now mind you i said AVERAGE) stops growing at 18-20.

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[quote]There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well. [quote]

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm

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[quote]Machina wrote:
There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm

[/quote]

By all means…
Go ahead do a tren only cycle with HCG as PCT and let us know how it goes.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Machina wrote:
There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catfinaplix.htm

This sounds like an excellent piece of BS to me.

You need test to maintain libido and yes, SERMS will play their part in recovery, since the drug in question (tren) has left the system so what the hell does it matter what type of action is has (or they claim it has).

Also, they advocate the use of nolvadex or winstrol to control the effects of adding an aromatiseable steroid to the stack. Well, DUH, just use an aromatase inhibitor.

I don’t know who wrote this, but they seem pretty clueless to me. Part of the ‘baffle them with bullshit’ brigade, methinks.

BBB[/quote]

Hahah, look out its the “BTWB Brigade” and they have come for your properly functioning HPTA.

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So why Tren so dangerous, besides having a Tren dick for 3 months? It’s not permanent, right?

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[quote]Machina wrote:
So why Tren so dangerous, besides having a Tren dick for 3 months? It’s not permanent, right?[/quote]

Its rather toxic. But honestly its danger is overstated like every other drug we use.

its not THAT dangerous, but its certainly the most side effect prone drug, and it is the most likely to have serious affects on your emotional state and control.

New users should not use tren, its hard enough to handle unnaturally high test levels if your not used to it, only vets should use tren.

Certainly people have used it in a first cycle, and done fine, DG I believe had no problems.

But for most users, the risk isnt worth the benefits.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Machina wrote:
So why Tren so dangerous, besides having a Tren dick for 3 months? It’s not permanent, right?

Its rather toxic. But honestly its danger is overstated like every other drug we use.

its not THAT dangerous, but its certainly the most side effect prone drug, and it is the most likely to have serious affects on your emotional state and control.

New users should not use tren, its hard enough to handle unnaturally high test levels if your not used to it, only vets should use tren.

Certainly people have used it in a first cycle, and done fine, DG I believe had no problems.

But for most users, the risk isnt worth the benefits.[/quote]

and I wasn’t the biggest fan of it…didn’t live up to the hype for me and I probably got just as much out of masteron…Tren made me aggressive, night sweats, high BP, and lethargic shitty feeling in general. When masteron replaced tren it was mo betta! lol Positives were great strength and pumps and I was able to build muscle going into my show…but I think Masteron can do all three of those just as well…

I also used it with test…Tren only is very dumb imo. Limp dick is a problem with many others tren can cause.

I don’t think Tren should be as feared as it is, I think you just have to have the proper drugs on hand to combat the sides (cabergoline, bromocriptine, blood pressure stuff, any other health ancillary,etc) and do A LOT OF RESEARCH on the drug as it’s sides are caused by some unknown reasons, and some known but are very different than Test/Estro related sides like most other drugs. This is why it is considered more of a ‘vet’ drug imho because most ‘noobs’ don’t have enough knowledge to tackle trenbolone.

if you would have asked me this before taking tren I would have had a different view, but after trying it, FROM MY EXPERIENCE (remember everybody reacts differently) I think that ‘noobs’ can use it if they do a ton of research and know what pool they are dipping their foot into.

my .02

DG

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also I don’t think tren is necessary as a first cycle TEST IS FINE imo…

I think the only reason one could have for using other drugs besides TEST in a first cycle is if they are prepping for a show.

If your just trying to build some more muscle a test only cycle for a first timer seems to be proven as a VERY effective cycle.

I am not in that boat as I used many compounds in my first cycle but I also used the drugs as a precontest prep.

My next cycle will mainly be test and an oral of choice.

Test is still king imo…

ok hopefully that helps lol I feel like I just wrote a book and most of it is just opinion LMAO!

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

DG

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Yo DG check out my PM

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I think the main point we’re missing is that the OP stated aromatization as the reason that test e might stunt his growth–which I assume means screw up his endocrine system permanently.

OP–Bone growth/height is pretty much well done by 21, so that’s not a worry. The endocrine system getting screwed up due to AAS is NOT due to aromatization. It’s due to the disturbance of the HPTA axis. As both the compounds you mentioned suppress the HPTA, BOTH of them could screw up your endocrine system.

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:

I think the only reason one could have for using other drugs besides TEST in a first cycle is if they are prepping for a show.

DG[/quote]

Not true IMVHO–strength gains. :slight_smile: or no water retention. Or fat loss. Honestly, tren is A-OK for some people. And besides, I think it depends on your strength and experience levels before you start AAS. Let’s take the guy that is pushing for competitive strongman/PLing and the guy who’s at intermediate strength levels–one could definitely benefit from compounds other than test even if not prepping for a show in the immediate future, the other probably doesn’t need to mess with anything.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:

I think the only reason one could have for using other drugs besides TEST in a first cycle is if they are prepping for a show.

DG

Not true IMVHO–strength gains. :slight_smile: or no water retention. Or fat loss. Honestly, tren is A-OK for some people. And besides, I think it depends on your strength and experience levels before you start AAS. Let’s take the guy that is pushing for competitive strongman/PLing and the guy who’s at intermediate strength levels–one could definitely benefit from compounds other than test even if not prepping for a show in the immediate future, the other probably doesn’t need to mess with anything.[/quote]

I retract my last comment…there are exceptions lol

But for the general noob steroid population a test only cycle is usually more than enough imo…

btw Aragorn…where have you been? lol

DG

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Sorry DG :slight_smile: It’s been pretty shitty for me lately. I just decided to take a break from the playgrounds (both) for a bit. Lots of stuff going on in the “non-lifting life” portion, most of which you probably already read about at a different spot on the interwebz (or rather read about what turned out to be the background to these recent shitty events).

Gradually getting back into posting in the past week or so, and just generally surviving one day to the next without wanting to get hit by a train Lol. Just gotta keep on pushin’ on ya know :D. Break on through to the other side.

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Did you just say DNP? clen? Firstly being an “inferior” (yeah, bring on the burn natty bodybuilders) athlete running such caliber thermongenics will only result in a great sacrifice in lean muscle. I know. Unless your a genetic anomaly you will lose your ass. I don’t give a fuck how you are you will lose the barn running DNP. Thats Mr. DNP to you it warrants so much respect and awe.

Being 21, I don’t think your growing up anymore dude. Sorry to break it to you. As for the connection between aromatization and stunting your growth I don’t see it. Tren and Test is a match made in heaven, or hell since we are all a bunch of drug abusing derelicts destined for the burning flames of Hades according to the U.S government and the norms. Tren, in my opinion also requires great knowledge in order to be wielded effectively.

As far as the taboo factor of you being possibly ‘too young’, again IMO, as long as you can re-stimulate endogenous test production you should be alright. Then again I’m not a vet nor a prime example. Its merely my two centavos.

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[quote]Machina wrote:
Stats:
Age: 21
Weight: 181 lbs
Years working out: 3
Height: 5ft 5
Experience: I have not done a steroid cycle before, but I have done 2 DNP cycles and 1 clen/T3 cycles in the past.

I will be doing Tren-acetate on my first cycle. I know that it is best to do Tren with Test base, but here is my dilemma. I just turned 21 and I’m afraid that because Test aromatizes, it can possibly stunt my growth. However, without Test, I’m afraid I’ll end up with a Tren dick for months.

Is there anyway to settle this dilemma? Can I take an incredibly small dose of Test-e so that I dont have libido problems while at the same time I don’t get gyno and pose the risk of stunting my height?

Your constructive advice in this matter will me highly appreciated.

(btw: I plan to take 50 mg of Tren ED). [/quote]

I think your too young and need to train longer natty before you take anything. That said, your probably going to do it anyways.

I loved test and tren, I can’t wait to do it again. For a first time user, do test e and tren e. 1 shot per week at 350mgs of both compounds. Run the tren for 12 weeks, run the test for 16. Keep adex on hand.

Monopoly