[quote]Shire wrote:
Just move to Canada it’s a LOT safer there.
But yea i’m going to be a hypocrite and say i will own guns when i have my own home, wife and children.
And especially if i ever happen to move to the USA.
Does anyone know if Ruger 9mms are any good?[/quote]
Until a bus mate saws your head off.
[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Shire wrote:
Just move to Canada it’s a LOT safer there.
But yea i’m going to be a hypocrite and say i will own guns when i have my own home, wife and children.
And especially if i ever happen to move to the USA.
Does anyone know if Ruger 9mms are any good?
Until a bus mate saws your head off. [/quote]
I had nearly forgotten about that incident, gruesome business that.
[quote]Shire wrote:
Does anyone know if Ruger 9mms are any good?[/quote]
They’ll get the job done. Not quite as refined or comfortable to shoot as a SIG or HK, but then again it costs a lot less too.
some things to think about:
if you’re going to use a gun for home protection:
do you live in an apartment or condo or a house? 357’s, 9mm’s, 40’s or similar guns have a high penetration factor due to high muzzle velocity.
if you miss an intruder the bullet WILL go through a wall into the next apartment. a 45 is not as cool but it has a lower muzzle velocity so it will not penetrate as far but it hits a lot harder. it’s like getting hit with a ballpeen hammer vs a sledge hammer. that’s why you’re taught to “double tap”(shoot twice) with a 9mm. or 40.
when you face an intruder in your home you will only be about 20’ away max. most times you’ll be within the 15’ mark. if you don’t believe me step out of your bedroom and run a tape measurer down the hall. practice at the range at these distances not just at 25yrds.
it looks cool to shoot at the target’s head but that’s at a stationary target. always go for the center of mass. if someone is gut shot they are pretty much out of action.
if you want something that will take them out quickly and is easy to learn to use look into a pistol grip double barrel 20 ga. shotgun with an open bore 18" barrel. you may only have 2 shots but at close range most times you only get 1. it has plenty of power but is easier to control because of less recoil.
just remember that the harder the recoil the longer it takes to get back on target. a 20ga. with 2.75" low brass shells won’t hit as hard as a 12ga. with 3.5" high brass but it kicks less and will stop someone just as quick. the open bore gives a faster pellet spread.
you won’t spray the room with shot but if you’re not dead on the target you will still hit them with a few pellets. the pistol makes a good backup. when faced with a shotgun the pistol will be used to shoot them in the back as they haul ass.
if you really want to see what various guns will do go buy a hog for a cookout but get a big one because you’re only going to cook half. get your friends with their guns and go to an outdoor range and hang the half a hog up at the height of a person. place some plywood of various thickness behind it.
get some different colors of tape also. fire 3 to five rounds at the hog and check the wounds. mark each wound with tape so you know what gun did what damage. the plywood will give you an idea of penetration if you miss or if the round penetrates through the hog.
check out the exit wounds. if it is a nice round hole it’s not good for protection. it should be a nasty hole much larger than the entrance wound.
if you only want 1 gun go with a shotgun with extra barrels. good for various types of hunting, skeet, or can be used for home protection. remember to go with 2.75" low brass for home protection.
for pistols I like a 45. and 22.mag. the 45. will stop anyone. you hit someone in the arm with a 9mm or 40. they keep coming. a 45. will just about take the arm off. the 22.mag is a nasty little gun that is fun, easy, and cheap to shoot with minimal recoil. you can go out plinking, hunting squirrel, rabbit, or varmints, and it will tear up a person in home defense.
you don’t have to have 15 rd clips in your home defense pistol. if you have to shoot someone it probably isn’t going to be a firefight where you need 100’s of rds. only put 5 to 7 rds in a clip and rotate clips.
most clips have great springs but you don’t want to have it fully compressed longer than necessary. a weak spring at the wrong time is bad news.
make sure you’re comfortable with the grips. if you don’t like hard plastic or wood or metal get some other ones that feel right. if they feel too big get a smaller pistol. you can probably find the caliber you want in a pistol that fits your hand.
I know that a lot of people like a shiny gun but for home defense I like a dull blue finish. it doesn’t reflect light so it’s harder for an intruder to see. if it’s dark it’s your advantage along with knowing the layout of your home.
remember that when there is an intruder that your heartrate will go up. you will be sweating, breathing harder, and twitchy. try to calm down. make sure of your target. you don’t want to shoot a family member or your buddy that has an extra key and let himself in because he’s too drunk to drive all the way home.
most military weapons have a selector switch. single shot, 3 round burst, or full auto. if you believe that someone can go full rock and roll and keep the barrel level and sweep side to side with full control I want some of what you’re smoking. that only happens in the movies.
full auto causes the gun to twist and climb. the bullets go everywhere but where you want them to go. 3 rd bursts cause the gun to move but you can bring it under control immediately. if you fire at a target you can see that the 3 rds track apart but still stay fairly close so that you have a better chance of serious damage to the person you’re shooting at.
you realize that police officer’s accuracy rate in the field is something rediculous like 23%
police officer, people who are supposed to be certified to carry and use pistols. what makes you so special that you’re only going to need two shots?
i still recomend the beretta storm, or another 9mm carbine.
you honestly think you’re going to be able to fire a shotgun, supposdly miss, transition to a pistol (apparently you’ve had time to strap on a holster as well?) and then engage your (running?) target from behind (which is most likely to cause legal action against you) ?
sure, you may not need “100’s” of rounds against an intruder. but who even wants to consider having to reload. with a high capacity magazine, the most you’d have to worry about is a FTF, in which case a simple re-rack is all that’d be necessary.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
you realize that police officer’s accuracy rate in the field is something rediculous like 23%
police officer, people who are supposed to be certified to carry and use pistols. what makes you so special that you’re only going to need two shots?
i still recomend the beretta storm, or another 9mm carbine.
you honestly think you’re going to be able to fire a shotgun, supposdly miss, transition to a pistol (apparently you’ve had time to strap on a holster as well?) and then engage your (running?) target from behind (which is most likely to cause legal action against you) ?
sure, you may not need “100’s” of rounds against an intruder. but who even wants to consider having to reload. with a high capacity magazine, the most you’d have to worry about is a FTF, in which case a simple re-rack is all that’d be necessary.[/quote]
I am not sure I understand, if they run there is no need to shoot them anymore.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
you realize that police officer’s accuracy rate in the field is something rediculous like 23%
police officer, people who are supposed to be certified to carry and use pistols. what makes you so special that you’re only going to need two shots?
i still recomend the beretta storm, or another 9mm carbine.
you honestly think you’re going to be able to fire a shotgun, supposdly miss, transition to a pistol (apparently you’ve had time to strap on a holster as well?) and then engage your (running?) target from behind (which is most likely to cause legal action against you) ?
sure, you may not need “100’s” of rounds against an intruder. but who even wants to consider having to reload. with a high capacity magazine, the most you’d have to worry about is a FTF, in which case a simple re-rack is all that’d be necessary.
I am not sure I understand, if they run there is no need to shoot them anymore.
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Just for trying.
[quote]Vegg wrote:
A tactical .45 is always a good choice. Check out companies such as Kimber, Para-Ordnance, and Wilson Combat.[/quote]
x2 I’m going to buy a Kimber Custom II in the next few months.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not sure I understand, if they run there is no need to shoot them anymore.
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sorry, i was replying to silver but forgot to quote
16 or 12 ga shotgun for sure. Don’t spend more than 200 dollars on it. Look around for a good deal and compare prices. When you feel comfortable owning, cleaning, and shooting your firearm, get a pistol.
I’m in the market for a first gun myself. My neighborhood is getting bad, and houses aren’t selling right now, so better safe than sorry. I got ADT installed last month too.
For the record I hate guns, but I would hate even more having some thugs break in and beat me to death like they did to someone a couple blocks away in September.
I took shooting lessons first to get a feel for what I wanted. The instructor was an old in-your-face guy who teaches cops how to shoot.
I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun. They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds.
The gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me that just the sound of a cocking shotgun will make an intruder leave. God I sure hope so.
Eric
[quote]eric_lacrosse wrote:
I’m in the market for a first gun myself. My neighborhood is getting bad, and houses aren’t selling right now, so better safe than sorry. I got ADT installed last month too.
For the record I hate guns, but I would hate even more having some thugs break in and beat me to death like they did to someone a couple blocks away in September.
I took shooting lessons first to get a feel for what I wanted. The instructor was an old in-your-face guy who teaches cops how to shoot. I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun.
They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds. The gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me that just the sound of a cocking shotgun will make an intruder leave. God I sure hope so.
Eric[/quote]
For strictly home defense, a shotgun is a great option. However, don’t depend on the sound alone. Whatever you buy, take it to a range and get comfortable with firing it. Make sure to get a lockable case too.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
eric_lacrosse wrote:
I’m in the market for a first gun myself. My neighborhood is getting bad, and houses aren’t selling right now, so better safe than sorry. I got ADT installed last month too.
For the record I hate guns, but I would hate even more having some thugs break in and beat me to death like they did to someone a couple blocks away in September.
I took shooting lessons first to get a feel for what I wanted. The instructor was an old in-your-face guy who teaches cops how to shoot. I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun.
They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds. The gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me that just the sound of a cocking shotgun will make an intruder leave. God I sure hope so.
Eric
For strictly home defense, a shotgun is a great option. However, don’t depend on the sound alone. Whatever you buy, take it to a range and get comfortable with firing it. Make sure to get a lockable case too.[/quote]
Agreed. And don’t waste money on a self-defense sawed off type shotgun either. You will get more satisfaction out of something you can take your little cuzin out hunting with or skeet shooting. Owning a gun is about more than just self defense. Also, the best cartrage for self defense is 00 buckshot. (AKA “double ought buck”)
Remember to BREAK DOWN AND CLEAN YOUR GUN AFTER EVERY USE! You want it to work exactly like its supposed to when you need it.
[quote]eric_lacrosse wrote:
I’m in the market for a first gun myself. My neighborhood is getting bad, and houses aren’t selling right now, so better safe than sorry. I got ADT installed last month too.
For the record I hate guns, but I would hate even more having some thugs break in and beat me to death like they did to someone a couple blocks away in September.
I took shooting lessons first to get a feel for what I wanted. The instructor was an old in-your-face guy who teaches cops how to shoot.
I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun. They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds.
The gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me that just the sound of a cocking shotgun will make an intruder leave. God I sure hope so.
Eric[/quote]
It would definately scare the piss out of them, but be ready to shoot just in case.
The USP in .40 feels real nice. Plus it’s German engineering.
Or fuck it, buy a Dessert Eagle .50AE
[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
eric_lacrosse wrote:
I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun. They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds.
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Why wouldn’t you want to have more firepower than the police? Isn’t the point of all citizens in the country being armed to protect themselves from the government?
[quote]eric_lacrosse wrote:
I’m in the market for a first gun myself. My neighborhood is getting bad, and houses aren’t selling right now, so better safe than sorry. I got ADT installed last month too.
For the record I hate guns, but I would hate even more having some thugs break in and beat me to death like they did to someone a couple blocks away in September.
I took shooting lessons first to get a feel for what I wanted. The instructor was an old in-your-face guy who teaches cops how to shoot.
I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun. They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds.
The gunsmith at Gander Mountain told me that just the sound of a cocking shotgun will make an intruder leave. God I sure hope so.
Eric[/quote]
OH yah… and sorry to hear about your shitty position with the neighborhood man; I hope you can get out of there soon.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Shire wrote:
Does anyone know if Ruger 9mms are any good?
They’ll get the job done. Not quite as refined or comfortable to shoot as a SIG or HK, but then again it costs a lot less too.
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lol i have to confess i only asked because i saw it mentioned in that film ‘Harsh Times’, thanks anyway mate.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
eric_lacrosse wrote:
I almost bought a Glock 45 (I understand that you never want to have more firepower than the local cops) but am now considering a home defense shotgun. They have specific home defense shotguns which hold several rounds.
Why wouldn’t you want to have more firepower than the police? Isn’t the point of all citizens in the country being armed to protect themselves from the government?[/quote]
Yes. I’m not sure why I was quoted here.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
you realize that police officer’s accuracy rate in the field is something rediculous like 23%
police officer, people who are supposed to be certified to carry and use pistols. what makes you so special that you’re only going to need two shots?
i still recomend the beretta storm, or another 9mm carbine.
you honestly think you’re going to be able to fire a shotgun, supposdly miss, transition to a pistol (apparently you’ve had time to strap on a holster as well?) and then engage your (running?) target from behind (which is most likely to cause legal action against you) ?
sure, you may not need “100’s” of rounds against an intruder. but who even wants to consider having to reload. with a high capacity magazine, the most you’d have to worry about is a FTF, in which case a simple re-rack is all that’d be necessary.[/quote]
you need to learn that not everything written here is serious!!! i’m saying the only place you COULD shoot them is in the back or ass because they would be running the other way. you don’t shoot them in the back unless they are turning with a weapon in their hand. or at least that’s what you tell the police because if they come into my home threating my family I’ll do my best to make sure they don’t hurt anyone else. as for legal action check your state laws.
I never said I was special although my “Uncle” did. I only said a double barrel shotgun was simple and quick to learn how to use. I do have a slipover holster that is quick to use. it drops right over my head and lays flat against my chest. it has extra mags and a knife. when you fire both barrels if you haven’t hit anything and they are still in the house just drop it and go to the pistol. if you’re a half ass shot you should hit them with the shotgun. high capacity mags are fine if you feel the need. if you have to fire 15+ rds and the intruders fire 15+ rds and neither of you are hit you’ve probably shot someone that had nothing to do with any of the shit!
I’m just saying that the gun you purchase for home defense doesn’t have to be the biggest baddest thing going. if you want to destroy the intruder get a 454 or similar caliber. of course if you miss(or even hit with the right caliber) it will go visit your neighbors apartment or house. simple is just as deadly as hightech. the ak47 came out in 1947 and it still is doing it’s job today. my model 1911 with a few;) mods is still going strong.
oh yeah, the main thing is to practice, practice, practice, until you are comfortable with your weapon. remember that if you do kill someone, especially up close and personal, that you will see them, hear them, and probably smell them for a long, long time.