Puppycide in Austin

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[/quote]

Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.[/quote]

He threatened an unarmed man.

The man had his hands in the air.

He ordered said unarmed man to get his dog, the shot it before said man could possibly do so.

I dont care if the toothfairy told him that there was a whole stash of teeth under that guys daughters pillow.

I dont know about you, but I dont come from a nation where anyone in uniform is seen as a mystical being.

He eats, sleeps and shits like all the rest of us and he royally fucked up and piled some bs on top of it.

Which is when his sergeant apparently decided to pile even more on.

No.

You will never convince someone who grew up in a moderately free country that this was ok.

Go find some Syrian immigrant, he will be grateful that the cop did not rape the guy with a golf club.

[/quote]
Put yourself in the cops shoes. Without the use of hindsight, explain how you would’ve handled the situation.

Remember:

  1. You were called to a violent, life threatening scene
  2. You reasonably believe you are at the right place
  3. You reasonably believe the violator is in the yard
  4. You do not know what he may or may not have concealed
  5. You do not know how critical unseen aspects of the situation are but you are responsible for handling the situation
  6. A dog is approaching you
  7. You do not have back up.[/quote]

All right in an average Austrian city, this is what would happen:

Cop: Hi there, we have received a report that you beat your wife or girlfriend senseless.

Dude: I dont have a wife or girlfriend.

Cop: Bummer, let me radio my dispatcher again, this is weird. Cute dog by the way.

Dude: No problem, need any help?

Cop: Na, just stay there in case it turns out that I really had your address.

Dude: What the hell?

Cops: Yeah I know, just doing my job.

And that is kind of what would have happened.

I kid you not.
[/quote]

Oh yes, that happens once ever 2 or 3 years.

But…

That kid actually did rob a supermarket and tried either to jump the cop or flee in the dark, which is when he caught a bullet and died.

If you really want to get into this you should look at the verdict of the cops trial (yes, there was a trial Dorothy, killing people is kind of a big thing around here):

The judge basically dismissed the charged but lectured the cop that if he was so easily frightened maybe he was not fit to carry a gun in public and should be doing a desk job from now on.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[/quote]

Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.[/quote]

He threatened an unarmed man.

The man had his hands in the air.

He ordered said unarmed man to get his dog, the shot it before said man could possibly do so.

I dont care if the toothfairy told him that there was a whole stash of teeth under that guys daughters pillow.

I dont know about you, but I dont come from a nation where anyone in uniform is seen as a mystical being.

He eats, sleeps and shits like all the rest of us and he royally fucked up and piled some bs on top of it.

Which is when his sergeant apparently decided to pile even more on.

No.

You will never convince someone who grew up in a moderately free country that this was ok.

Go find some Syrian immigrant, he will be grateful that the cop did not rape the guy with a golf club.

[/quote]
Put yourself in the cops shoes. Without the use of hindsight, explain how you would’ve handled the situation.

Remember:

  1. You were called to a violent, life threatening scene
  2. You reasonably believe you are at the right place
  3. You reasonably believe the violator is in the yard
  4. You do not know what he may or may not have concealed
  5. You do not know how critical unseen aspects of the situation are but you are responsible for handling the situation
  6. A dog is approaching you
  7. You do not have back up.[/quote]

All right in an average Austrian city, this is what would happen:

Cop: Hi there, we have received a report that you beat your wife or girlfriend senseless.

Dude: I dont have a wife or girlfriend.

Cop: Bummer, let me radio my dispatcher again, this is weird. Cute dog by the way.

Dude: No problem, need any help?

Cop: Na, just stay there in case it turns out that I really had your address.

Dude: What the hell?

Cops: Yeah I know, just doing my job.

And that is kind of what would have happened.

I kid you not.
[/quote]
Only because you know the outcome. I mean, it isn’t like the police are ever lied to or anything. You’d be a bumbling cop at best, dead at worst if you made it a common practice to just trust Joe Blow.

Who fucked up the address anyways? Dispatch would’ve confirmed he was at the right place. I still find it comical how you unrealistically brush off the dog too. In fact, it honestly makes me think you are trolling to read your slants, ignored facts and general bluster.

[/quote]

No, that is what would happen.

If it indeed was the right address he would go in and if he found no battered women they would get back to the person calling to try to find out where she was.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

He wasn’t sent out “to apprehend non-violent fully compliant innocent people.”
[/quote]

Exactly. But that is what he did. To apprehend a violent wife abuser, you have to find the violent wife abuser.

He did not enter a violent volatile situation. He created a violent volatile situation.[/quote]
Still very impressed by your hindsight.[/quote]

What hindsight?

You are called to a violent domestic fisticuff.

You encounter a man standing in his garden watering his plants or whatever.

Do you A) pull out your gun and fuck up his dog or B) ask where the fisticuffs might be found?

[quote]orion wrote:

The judge basically dismissed the charged but lectured the cop that if he was so easily frightened maybe he was not fit to carry a gun in public and should be doing a desk job from now on.

[/quote]

Protective of the home team, much?

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

The judge basically dismissed the charged but lectured the cop that if he was so easily frightened maybe he was not fit to carry a gun in public and should be doing a desk job from now on.

[/quote]

Protective of the home team, much?

Yeah, that was a big scandal too.

Especially because it happened in a subway station and all the video was missing for the exact 10 minutes or so where that was happening.

Eery.

The people all around seemed to have pretty good memories though,

The first judge dismissed the case because she thought the charges were not severe enough the second ordered the policeman to pay up 2800 Euro after he admitted publicly that he totally and utterly had fucked up this whole thing.

What was criticized was the the police never identified themselves which lead to charges of what is equivalent to aggravated assault.

Any other cases?

If you really want to hit paydirt you should look at our asylum cases, google “Omofuma”.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

He wasn’t sent out “to apprehend non-violent fully compliant innocent people.”
[/quote]

Exactly. But that is what he did. To apprehend a violent wife abuser, you have to find the violent wife abuser.

He did not enter a violent volatile situation. He created a violent volatile situation.[/quote]
Still very impressed by your hindsight.[/quote]

What hindsight?

You are called to a violent domestic fisticuff.

You encounter a man standing in his garden watering his plants or whatever.

Do you A) pull out your gun and fuck up his dog or B) ask where the fisticuffs might be found?[/quote]
Considering the perception you are ignoring or in your imaginary world?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[/quote]

Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.[/quote]

He threatened an unarmed man.

The man had his hands in the air.

He ordered said unarmed man to get his dog, the shot it before said man could possibly do so.

I dont care if the toothfairy told him that there was a whole stash of teeth under that guys daughters pillow.

I dont know about you, but I dont come from a nation where anyone in uniform is seen as a mystical being.

He eats, sleeps and shits like all the rest of us and he royally fucked up and piled some bs on top of it.

Which is when his sergeant apparently decided to pile even more on.

No.

You will never convince someone who grew up in a moderately free country that this was ok.

Go find some Syrian immigrant, he will be grateful that the cop did not rape the guy with a golf club.

[/quote]
Put yourself in the cops shoes. Without the use of hindsight, explain how you would’ve handled the situation.

Remember:

  1. You were called to a violent, life threatening scene
  2. You reasonably believe you are at the right place
  3. You reasonably believe the violator is in the yard
  4. You do not know what he may or may not have concealed
  5. You do not know how critical unseen aspects of the situation are but you are responsible for handling the situation
  6. A dog is approaching you
  7. You do not have back up.[/quote]

All right in an average Austrian city, this is what would happen:

Cop: Hi there, we have received a report that you beat your wife or girlfriend senseless.

Dude: I dont have a wife or girlfriend.

Cop: Bummer, let me radio my dispatcher again, this is weird. Cute dog by the way.

Dude: No problem, need any help?

Cop: Na, just stay there in case it turns out that I really had your address.

Dude: What the hell?

Cops: Yeah I know, just doing my job.

And that is kind of what would have happened.

I kid you not.
[/quote]
Only because you know the outcome. I mean, it isn’t like the police are ever lied to or anything. You’d be a bumbling cop at best, dead at worst if you made it a common practice to just trust Joe Blow.

Who fucked up the address anyways? Dispatch would’ve confirmed he was at the right place. I still find it comical how you unrealistically brush off the dog too. In fact, it honestly makes me think you are trolling to read your slants, ignored facts and general bluster.

[/quote]

No, that is what would happen.

If it indeed was the right address he would go in and if he found no battered women they would get back to the person calling to try to find out where she was.
[/quote]
He magically knows the wrong address was called in? Maybe that hindsight was packaged as a crystal ball…

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

He wasn’t sent out “to apprehend non-violent fully compliant innocent people.”
[/quote]

Exactly. But that is what he did. To apprehend a violent wife abuser, you have to find the violent wife abuser.

He did not enter a violent volatile situation. He created a violent volatile situation.[/quote]
Still very impressed by your hindsight.[/quote]

What hindsight?

You are called to a violent domestic fisticuff.

You encounter a man standing in his garden watering his plants or whatever.

Do you A) pull out your gun and fuck up his dog or B) ask where the fisticuffs might be found?[/quote]
Considering the perception you are ignoring or in your imaginary world?[/quote]

What imaginary world?

You are imagining a world where policemen have this super dangerous job.

They dont.

Lumberjacks lead a though life, policemen are somewhere between construction workers and secretaries.

I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual. [/quote]

I tried to stop them.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[/quote]

Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.[/quote]

He threatened an unarmed man.

The man had his hands in the air.

He ordered said unarmed man to get his dog, the shot it before said man could possibly do so.

I dont care if the toothfairy told him that there was a whole stash of teeth under that guys daughters pillow.

I dont know about you, but I dont come from a nation where anyone in uniform is seen as a mystical being.

He eats, sleeps and shits like all the rest of us and he royally fucked up and piled some bs on top of it.

Which is when his sergeant apparently decided to pile even more on.

No.

You will never convince someone who grew up in a moderately free country that this was ok.

Go find some Syrian immigrant, he will be grateful that the cop did not rape the guy with a golf club.

[/quote]
Put yourself in the cops shoes. Without the use of hindsight, explain how you would’ve handled the situation.

Remember:

  1. You were called to a violent, life threatening scene
  2. You reasonably believe you are at the right place
  3. You reasonably believe the violator is in the yard
  4. You do not know what he may or may not have concealed
  5. You do not know how critical unseen aspects of the situation are but you are responsible for handling the situation
  6. A dog is approaching you
  7. You do not have back up.[/quote]

All right in an average Austrian city, this is what would happen:

Cop: Hi there, we have received a report that you beat your wife or girlfriend senseless.

Dude: I dont have a wife or girlfriend.

Cop: Bummer, let me radio my dispatcher again, this is weird. Cute dog by the way.

Dude: No problem, need any help?

Cop: Na, just stay there in case it turns out that I really had your address.

Dude: What the hell?

Cops: Yeah I know, just doing my job.

And that is kind of what would have happened.

I kid you not.
[/quote]
Only because you know the outcome. I mean, it isn’t like the police are ever lied to or anything. You’d be a bumbling cop at best, dead at worst if you made it a common practice to just trust Joe Blow.

Who fucked up the address anyways? Dispatch would’ve confirmed he was at the right place. I still find it comical how you unrealistically brush off the dog too. In fact, it honestly makes me think you are trolling to read your slants, ignored facts and general bluster.

[/quote]

No, that is what would happen.

If it indeed was the right address he would go in and if he found no battered women they would get back to the person calling to try to find out where she was.
[/quote]
He magically knows the wrong address was called in? Maybe that hindsight was packaged as a crystal ball…[/quote]

No, we call that a “dispatcher” and “people identifying themselves when they make a distress call”.

But then, we are, like, super sophisticated and stuff.

Did you know that we spent a whole lot of money lately so that all emergency units could operate on more or less the same frequencies simultaneously?

Granted, the minister responsible for it will probably go to jail for it, but on the bright side we get technology for our corruption.

You get shitty solar panels.

Jelly?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

He wasn’t sent out “to apprehend non-violent fully compliant innocent people.”
[/quote]

Exactly. But that is what he did. To apprehend a violent wife abuser, you have to find the violent wife abuser.

He did not enter a violent volatile situation. He created a violent volatile situation.[/quote]
Still very impressed by your hindsight.[/quote]

What hindsight?

You are called to a violent domestic fisticuff.

You encounter a man standing in his garden watering his plants or whatever.

Do you A) pull out your gun and fuck up his dog or B) ask where the fisticuffs might be found?[/quote]
Considering the perception you are ignoring or in your imaginary world?[/quote]

What imaginary world?

You are imagining a world where policemen have this super dangerous job.

They dont.

Lumberjacks lead a though life, policemen are somewhere between construction workers and secretaries. [/quote]
And this is as nonsensical as it seemed.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual. [/quote]

Oh well.

At what shoulder height would you say dogs should be preventively targeted?

To be fair, I did not know that an average cop could hit such a small moving target, I am amazed!

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual. [/quote]

I tried to stop them.
[/quote]

I applaud your efforts…really.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual. [/quote]

I tried to stop them.
[/quote]

I applaud your efforts…really. [/quote]

No, please, you’re embarrassing me. Just doing what anyone would’ve done.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[/quote]

Yes, that’s it. He decided to take a detour to go kill himself some white man’s black hating dog. Maybe it was to get back at the Zimmerman/Martin thing. [/quote]

It does not matter why he did it.

While he decided to take out that clear and imminent danger, some woman, somewhere, got beaten to a pulp with a tire iron by a supposedly armed man.

Because, if we like make up scenarios to excuse an armed thugs mo, we shall look at all the consequences. [/quote]
And when looking at consequences, we should accurately assign blame to those who directly caused them.

Whoever sent the cop on a goose chase is to blame, not the cop.

Blaming the officer is like throwing a match on the carpet instead of in the fireplace and then blaming the match for burning a house down.[/quote]

He threatened an unarmed man.

The man had his hands in the air.

He ordered said unarmed man to get his dog, the shot it before said man could possibly do so.

I dont care if the toothfairy told him that there was a whole stash of teeth under that guys daughters pillow.

I dont know about you, but I dont come from a nation where anyone in uniform is seen as a mystical being.

He eats, sleeps and shits like all the rest of us and he royally fucked up and piled some bs on top of it.

Which is when his sergeant apparently decided to pile even more on.

No.

You will never convince someone who grew up in a moderately free country that this was ok.

Go find some Syrian immigrant, he will be grateful that the cop did not rape the guy with a golf club.

[/quote]
Put yourself in the cops shoes. Without the use of hindsight, explain how you would’ve handled the situation.

Remember:

  1. You were called to a violent, life threatening scene
  2. You reasonably believe you are at the right place
  3. You reasonably believe the violator is in the yard
  4. You do not know what he may or may not have concealed
  5. You do not know how critical unseen aspects of the situation are but you are responsible for handling the situation
  6. A dog is approaching you
  7. You do not have back up.[/quote]

All right in an average Austrian city, this is what would happen:

Cop: Hi there, we have received a report that you beat your wife or girlfriend senseless.

Dude: I dont have a wife or girlfriend.

Cop: Bummer, let me radio my dispatcher again, this is weird. Cute dog by the way.

Dude: No problem, need any help?

Cop: Na, just stay there in case it turns out that I really had your address.

Dude: What the hell?

Cops: Yeah I know, just doing my job.

And that is kind of what would have happened.

I kid you not.
[/quote]
Only because you know the outcome. I mean, it isn’t like the police are ever lied to or anything. You’d be a bumbling cop at best, dead at worst if you made it a common practice to just trust Joe Blow.

Who fucked up the address anyways? Dispatch would’ve confirmed he was at the right place. I still find it comical how you unrealistically brush off the dog too. In fact, it honestly makes me think you are trolling to read your slants, ignored facts and general bluster.

[/quote]

No, that is what would happen.

If it indeed was the right address he would go in and if he found no battered women they would get back to the person calling to try to find out where she was.
[/quote]
He magically knows the wrong address was called in? Maybe that hindsight was packaged as a crystal ball…[/quote]

No, we call that a “dispatcher” and “people identifying themselves when they make a distress call”.

But then, we are, like, super sophisticated and stuff.

Did you know that we spent a whole lot of money lately so that all emergency units could operate on more or less the same frequencies simultaneously?

Granted, the minister responsible for it will probably go to jail for it, but on the bright side we get technology for our corruption.

You get shitty solar panels.

Jelly?[/quote]
Aw shit, I forgot. The dispatcher. SMH. The one that originally sent him there. Would’ve cleared things right up.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I see you guys have bastardized the thread…as usual. [/quote]

Oh well.

At what shoulder height would you say dogs should be preventively targeted?

To be fair, I did not know that an average cop could hit such a small moving target, I am amazed![/quote]

My take is what happened off-camera is speculation at best. All we have is that officer’s word and credibility…and that has shown not to be in his favor,imo.

Either the dog truly postured as if an attack was possible. Or the officer freaked because the dog came around the corner…and covered his ass by saying the dog was a threat. shrug

From the officer’s projection of guilt after the incident…many can assume(whether fair or not) he fucked up. For what it’s worth,the initial dispatch call did set tone.

I saw this moring that this thread is up to 7 pages and knew someone must have come along to argue the cop’s side or else we would have been done by page 3 or 4.

What do I get for knowing it was going to be HG?

[quote]Nards wrote:
I saw this moring that this thread is up to 7 pages and knew someone must have come along to argue the cop’s side or else we would have been done by page 3 or 4.

What do I get for knowing it was going to be HG?

[/quote]
The hindsight award, evidently very coveted.

Wait, no, doubleduce still keeps it. You forgot the other four or so, some in b4 me. Your McGuyver badge is hereby revoked.