[quote]KSman wrote:
E2=46 is killing you. Was that E2 lab while on AAS? If so, when off of AAS, your E2 will drop.
Adex is a competitive drug with T for aromatase. When your T levels drop, less is needed and less T is converting to E as well.
You could try .5mg/wk in divided doses while cold turkey, otherwise 1.0mg/wk when using 100mg/wk testosterone ester.
I do not see the point of going to zero testosterone. Better to be on and get your E2 and adex dosing worked out with some lab tests.[/quote]
KS,
I have bw today and an appt. on the 14th with the doc… he is very knowledgable… let’s see what has happened to my test and E levels these past two weeks of being “off of” everyting… I hesitate any further attempts at “fixing” until we can see the direction my body has taken all of this… in a mere two weeks… I haven’t used any avadart, saw… zinc… etc… just waiting to here if perhaps this can resolve with arimidex or on it’s own and then start again… just much much smarter…
Prostate is a tad better… can empty my bladder typically with relative ease as compared… but it definately has it’s moments…
if you seem to be ok mentally then your plan is a good one. For me stopping from such a high dose regimen did not work so well. Be on the lookout for anxiety symptoms and/or depression…i waited far too long to resolve mine when i stopped taking high doses and crashed in a rather disastrous manner, all of which could have been largely avoided if i had slowly reduced testosterone and kept e2 at bay. Lesson learned.
[quote]morepain wrote:
if you seem to be ok mentally then your plan is a good one. For me stopping from such a high dose regimen did not work so well. Be on the lookout for anxiety symptoms and/or depression…i waited far too long to resolve mine when i stopped taking high doses and crashed in a rather disastrous manner, all of which could have been largely avoided if i had slowly reduced testosterone and kept e2 at bay. Lesson learned. [/quote]
Definately anxiety and depression symptoms already. I am falling asleep at 3:30pm like clockwork at my desk. I am completely concerned about the fatigue. Hoping beyond hope it’s hormonal…
[quote]Time2Jet wrote:
morepain wrote:
if you seem to be ok mentally then your plan is a good one. For me stopping from such a high dose regimen did not work so well. Be on the lookout for anxiety symptoms and/or depression…i waited far too long to resolve mine when i stopped taking high doses and crashed in a rather disastrous manner, all of which could have been largely avoided if i had slowly reduced testosterone and kept e2 at bay. Lesson learned.
Definately anxiety and depression symptoms already. I am falling asleep at 3:30pm like clockwork at my desk. I am completely concerned about the fatigue. Hoping beyond hope it’s hormonal… [/quote]
i am sure it is, we tend to downplay the seriousness of coming off of these drugs, thats a MAJOR change in biochemistry that you are going through…not nearly as easy as people want to believe that it is, i know alot of guys who on the forums talk about their PCT being smooth etc etc, but when you talk to them privately you typically find alot of issues going on that they don’t talk about openly
I didn’t get the new bloodwork done yet, because I am awaiting the addition of an order for re-testing the E levels also… As it stands he is only looking at T and DHT together with a standard cbc/diff.
Again from those high levels I went cold turkey… and I gotta tell you all… it doesn’t feel too great…
biggest side I am experiencing is “fatigue” and tons of it… I want to lay down all day… (impossible for me to do of course)… secondary is craving sweets and eating full on… gained fat… (you women have nothing on me now… difference is, I can wrestle it out of your hand if you reach for my chocolate bar… at least for a few more weeks at this rate of fatigue… )
My prostate symptoms alleviated some last week, but are back to about 75% of as bad as they have been.
Again, I am praying that the fatigue is hormonal… to be generic… but honestly, this is scary shit right here…
i would HIGHLY recommend HOT-ROX extreme at 1/2 the regular dose (1 cap am a cap pm) for the fatique. It also has a definite effect on my mood, just makes me feel better overall.
Or you can try Spike which works great for some, i liked it alot but have found the mood enhancing properties of HOT-ROX extreme is better. its kind of like motivation in a bottle for me, the fat loss is just a beneficial side effect.
[quote] Brook wrote:
One word detailing the power of hormone imbalances in humans… and it is nowhere near the imbalances caused by cessation of high dose AAS.
Menopause.
JJ[/quote]
that is no joke … alot of people think ur crazy when you state that but its actually a very accurate coomparison as far as the mental changes you go through
I went cold turkey on my test and got my levels down to a miserable 238… probably my natural level…ergo TRT and how I got started on using gear to begin with… at the same time my estraidol levels came down to 10… low, but I think better than high… my prostate is still the size of a baseball… my PSA levels are good… and unchanged.
This has been horrific to say the least… I didn’t wean… I stopped… I don’t recommend… trust me.
I, at the advice of a very well known physician (trust me if you know anything about the NFL you have heard of him)… I started back on test at 300mg e3d. I also do a handful of supps. R-ALA, CO Q-10, Biotin, CLA, lots of fish oil, arginine, carnitine, lysine… and on and on… religiously… thanks to bushy… the R-ALA and CO Q-10 has changed my life for the better…
My prostate is a real problem with no resolve… I have Avodart but refuse to take it… (did I mention during all of this I found some breast tissue that I am not happy about… considering I had none and did mega gear for 3 years as some of you know)… I use flomax but hate the retrograde ejaculations… fun, eh?
I am lost.
I am fat at the waist… I never have been in three years… lean… and muscular usually.
I want my gh.
I want to feel good.
I don’t know what to do… I take the usual prostate supps… and zinc on top.
I am venting… sorry…
Hi everyone and sorry to have been away… life is also happening right now. fun, eh?
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