Proposed Cycle With All Info

Pharma / TRT
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Well, I’m going to try and give every bit of info possible. First, age- 23. Height- 6’0. Weight - 195. Years training - 4+. Starting weight - 140. Since everyone asks, my lifts are Bench 245x5, Squat 300x2, Deads havent been in my program lately as I feel I can hit my hamstrings through squats, lunges and leg curls and it is too much on my back to do them the same day, next day or day before squats.

Ok, now my diet, the most important part of all this in my opinion. It’s a bit Dave Palumbo 'ish but thats because I had good gains on a similar version (less kcals) to his diet naturally :
MEAL 1: 6 whole omega-3 eggs with 1 cup of oatmeal

MEAL 2: Meal Replacement SHAKE (normally with a banana & natty PB) or if fat gain becomes an issue, Ill lower my carbs starting with the shakes by making them protein & EVOO & natty PB

MEAL 3: ½ pound (8oz) of chicken (or turkey or filet of sole or shrimp) with ½ cup nuts (almonds, cashews, or walnuts) with 1 cup RICE

MEAL 4: Shake

MEAL 5: ½ pound (8oz) of red meat (or salmon or swordfish) with a salad with 2 tablespoon of olive or macadamia nut oil and vinegar with 1 sweet potato

MEAL 6: Same as MEAL 3

MEAL 7: Shake

MEAL 8: 6 whole omega-3 eggs

I figured it out to around 6,000 calories I believe. Pre-Workout I use 10g BCAAS, 30g during and post workout I use a serving or Surge which I might bump up to 2. I also take 200mg of caffeine pre-workout and Im hoping that the extra test will help blunt cortisol production from this

.My training split is Chest/Back/Abs/Calves, Legs, Shoulders/Traps/Arms/Abs/Calves (this day normally gets split into 2 parts), off, off.

Finally, proposed cycle (I do fully understand the merits and reasons behind a test only cycle, but Im also a big believer in go big or go home…)
Injections Sunday Morning and Wednesday Night
Week 1-12 Test E 600 mg/wk
Week 1-10 Deca 300 mg/wk
Week 3-8 Naposim 40 mg/day
Week 13-16 Test E 100 mg/wk
Week 14-16 Clomid 100 mg/day
Week 17-18 Clomid 50 mg/day

Arimidex already on hand, will introduce at .25 mg/eod if needed during cycle, and then assess from there.

So why my kind of weird PCT? Well I like the test taper idea, and what stuck out from me was this statement "the research showed no hpta suppression while using a serm and low dose testosterone - 100mg per week ".

In my mind, if you can keep test levels at a reasonable level to keep them from crashing, while not suppressing the HPTA, and using the clomid to promote the body to start producing LH, everyone wins? Maybe Im wrong in my thinking, if so, someone please correct me. And finally some pics…

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I would put some more time organizing your training schedule. A two day split(maybe 3?) is not going to be optimal.

You seemed to want to make every excuse in the book for not doing deadlifts. Change your program around to incorporate them, even if it means getting to the gym an extra day of the week for 20-30 mins just for them.

Add some green vegetables and fiber to your diet.

Drop your clomid down by a week and drop the dosage by week two. If thats the pct drug you wish to use.

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Definitely add the green veggies.

Sounds like you planned it out well. You will probably be OK on 500 mgs of test a week, or even 400mgs with deca.

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Looks like a good cycle. A bit long on the D-bol though, isn’t it? Most recommend 4 weeks, not 6.

Anyone to care to chime in on the liver toxicity of D-bol? For all I know this could be fine.

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[quote]Schmazz wrote:
Looks like a good cycle. A bit long on the D-bol though, isn’t it? Most recommend 4 weeks, not 6.

Anyone to care to chime in on the liver toxicity of D-bol? For all I know this could be fine.[/quote]

I see it commonly done 4-6 weeks, but if there is an issue with liver toxicity Id be interested to hear any comments.

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I ran 6 weeks of dbol [precisely the same Naposim] at 50mg ED afterwards my liver values were better than before; admittedly I used liv.52 but I have always maintained that 17AA’s are much less harsh on the liver than popular culture purports.

Your on cycle protocol looks great. I like your test deca ratio and everything. I would suggest your read the test taper sticky and tweak your plan after week 12

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Deadlift.

That is all.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Deadlift.

That is all.[/quote]

Haha, I will just for you guys and the sake of building a big back. I think I may change up my split. Right now its a 5 day rotation of Day 1- Chest/Back, Day 2- Legs , Day 3- Shoulders/Traps/Arms , Day 4/5- off. This rotation was killing my back whether I had deads on back or leg day cause my back would be so fried from squats and front squats. I’ll look into other splits or add a day for deads, I do miss them.

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[quote]saps wrote:
I ran 6 weeks of dbol [precisely the same Naposim] at 50mg ED afterwards my liver values were better than before; admittedly I used liv.52 but I have always maintained that 17AA’s are much less harsh on the liver than popular culture purports.

Your on cycle protocol looks great. I like your test deca ratio and everything. I would suggest your read the test taper sticky and tweak your plan after week 12[/quote]

I somehow managed to forget my supplements… Liv 52, Fish Oil, Multi, creatine and EFA mix pills.

I kept the ratio of atleast 250mg more test than deca for fear of libido issues (cialis also on hand also). I read the test taper sticky, and I feel that this would work better for the reasons I listed. I would be willing to stick to the original protocol if someone could explain to me why my logic wouldn’t be as effective. The two weeks of a 100mg would give enough time for the last large dose of test e to be out of the system.

The 3rd week of PCT would be when I decided to bring in the clomid to stimulate FSH, since 100mg of test shouldnt be shutting down the HPTA(which was stated in the original protocol), It seems to me that it would be optimal to start stimulating FSH while keeping a 100mg of test in the system to help maintain gains. This is just a thought I had, and why I posted this up months before my cycle so I can get the most out of this and to try and maintain as much as possible.

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I would save the creatine for when you come off and start your pct.

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[quote]LayinLo wrote:
I would save the creatine for when you come off and start your pct.[/quote]

Reason? I never cycle off of it truthfully, 5g goes in all PWO shakes and into some shake on off days. Maybe to help cope with size/strength losses when coming off?

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[quote]BigSquirrel wrote:
LayinLo wrote:
I would save the creatine for when you come off and start your pct.

Reason? I never cycle off of it truthfully, 5g goes in all PWO shakes and into some shake on off days. Maybe to help cope with size/strength losses when coming off?[/quote]

Yep. I’m doing the same thing. Not a famous idea, but hypothetically I think it would work well. I’m using monohydrate, because I want to keep the water weight on…

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[quote]BigSquirrel wrote:

I somehow managed to forget my supplements… Liv 52, Fish Oil, Multi, creatine and EFA mix pills.

I kept the ratio of atleast 250mg more test than deca for fear of libido issues (cialis also on hand also). I read the test taper sticky, and I feel that this would work better for the reasons I listed.

I would be willing to stick to the original protocol if someone could explain to me why my logic wouldn’t be as effective. The two weeks of a 100mg would give enough time for the last large dose of test e to be out of the system.

The 3rd week of PCT would be when I decided to bring in the clomid to stimulate FSH, since 100mg of test shouldnt be shutting down the HPTA(which was stated in the original protocol), It seems to me that it would be optimal to start stimulating FSH while keeping a 100mg of test in the system to help maintain gains.

This is just a thought I had, and why I posted this up months before my cycle so I can get the most out of this and to try and maintain as much as possible. [/quote]

2 weeks at 100mg is not enough; it will take two weeks for your final weeks pins to go out of your system. Generally you want to stasis about half the time you were geared up if you run 10-12 weeks I’d recommend 5-6 weeks at 100mg.

Also, don’t think that merely 250mg more test than deca is necessarily the answer. Think of the ratio as well. 500Test 250Deca is cool by me. 750Test 500Deca is not as cool imo.