Only the Ass Worship thread is bigger than this! Hmmm…ass worship versus the gay marriage thread – too much to contemplate 
Doesn’t the Bible say ‘Adam and Eve’, not ‘Adam and Steve’? What the fuck’s all the arguing about?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Only the Ass Worship thread is bigger than this! Hmmm…ass worship versus the gay marriage thread – too much to contemplate
Doesn’t the Bible say ‘Adam and Eve’, not ‘Adam and Steve’? What the fuck’s all the arguing about?[/quote]
I would have described the behavior a little differently, but I think we are on the same page - homosexual behavior is destructive.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Only the Ass Worship thread is bigger than this! Hmmm…ass worship versus the gay marriage thread – too much to contemplate
Doesn’t the Bible say ‘Adam and Eve’, not ‘Adam and Steve’? What the fuck’s all the arguing about?[/quote]
Hey, you’re so right!
But then the Bible is just a dusty tome with questionable ethics, lots of propaganda, deception and violence against women!
Nah thanks- When seeking sexual advice, I think I’ll stick to something useful, like Vegita’s posts or a lesbian buddy.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Only the Ass Worship thread is bigger than this! Hmmm…ass worship versus the gay marriage thread – too much to contemplate
Doesn’t the Bible say ‘Adam and Eve’, not ‘Adam and Steve’? What the fuck’s all the arguing about?
Hey, you’re so right!
But then the Bible is just a dusty tome with questionable ethics, lots of propaganda, deception and violence against women!
Nah thanks- When seeking sexual advice, I think I’ll stick to something useful, like Vegita’s posts or a lesbian buddy.
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Have you ever read the Bible? I’m guessing you haven’t because you statements are very wrong.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Only the Ass Worship thread is bigger than this! Hmmm…ass worship versus the gay marriage thread – too much to contemplate
Doesn’t the Bible say ‘Adam and Eve’, not ‘Adam and Steve’? What the fuck’s all the arguing about?
Hey, you’re so right!
But then the Bible is just a dusty tome with questionable ethics, lots of propaganda, deception and violence against women!
Nah thanks- When seeking sexual advice, I think I’ll stick to something useful, like Vegita’s posts or a lesbian buddy.
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The Holy Bible is the revealed word of God (and yes some have interpreted it for their own ends), and you choose to listen to some lesbian? Hope you enjoy shovelling coal.
(Note: the comeback here is something about me shovelling shit, in case you need help.)
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The Holy Bible is the revealed word of God…
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of course, of course, like the divine Koran, the sacred Upanishads, the holy Tora, the whatnot Rig Veda …
With so many revered books how am I to judge which is the real word of God? (assuming he does exist in some form?)
The problem that they all contradict in some key issues makes it even more confusing.
Also, nearly all of the aforementioned works are a bit untrustworthy if you’re seriously interested in history.
So this is why I actually prefer Vegita’s and my friend’s advice on how to cope with relationship problems and the like.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The Holy Bible is the revealed word of God…
of course, of course, like the divine Koran, the sacred Upanishads, the holy Tora, the whatnot Rig Veda …
With so many revered books how am I to judge which is the real word of God? (assuming he does exist in some form?)
The problem that they all contradict in some key issues makes it even more confusing.
Also, nearly all of the aforementioned works are a bit untrustworthy if you’re seriously interested in history.
So this is why I actually prefer Vegita’s and my friend’s advice on how to cope with relationship problems and the like.
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How many of them have you personally read?
And I would like you to point out one error regarding history in the Christian Bible.
Thank you,
Zeb
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And I would like you to point out one error regarding history in the Christian Bible.
Thank you,
Zeb
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Please, I don’t want to start a discussion about that.
If it pleases you, cou can belive in faerie tales like the great flood & Nhoa’s Ark or in historical propaganda like Salomon’s marvelous kingdom.
I can certainly live with that.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And I would like you to point out one error regarding history in the Christian Bible.
Thank you,
Zeb
Please, I don’t want to start a discussion about that.[/quote]
But you already started the discussion. What you must mean is that you don’t have a legitimate answer to my query. Therefore, you would like to simply post various pot shots at the Christian Bible and not get questioned on them.
Sorry, I can’t let you do that. You need to “put up or shut up” as they say.
It’s only fair since you fired the first shot regarding this specific subject.
[quote]If it pleases you, cou can belive in faerie tales like the great flood & Nhoa’s Ark or in historical propaganda like Salomon’s marvelous kingdom.
I can certainly live with that.
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And you end by calling things in the Christian Bible “fairy tales.” I would say that that is a very provocative statement. Hence I assume that you have strong convictions. Therefore, I ask you again:
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Did you ever read the Christian Bible from cover to cover?
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Have you ever read any of the other books that you mentioned, " Upanishads, Tora, etc.?
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Do you have any specific point relating to your accusation that the Bible is “untrustworthy” relative to it’s historical accounts of record?
If you are not interested in having this discussion or being questioned on your erroneous statement I understand.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
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But you already started the discussion. …
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Did you ever read the Christian Bible from cover to cover?
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Have you ever read any of the other books that you mentioned, " Upanishads, Tora, etc.?
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Do you have any specific point relating to your accusation that the Bible is “untrustworthy” relative to it’s historical accounts of record?
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I’d rather not discuss this in a thread labeled “proof gay marriage is wrong”, but to make you happy, dear ZEB: -
I 've read large parts of the Bible, most of it I consider anyway unreadable.
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Most of the aforementioned books I read at least partly. But that wasn’t my point.
What I find more important, is the fact that they contradict each other while some of them (Tora, Koran, Bible) claim to be the universal truth. Strange isn’t it?
- I already mentioned some of them:
the story of the flood is pure myth
the whole thing about the ark is crap
King Salomon is propaganda/crap
You’re free to comment, which I will read in return, but not answer in this thread, because I feel this would correspond to thread-hijacking.
If you are truly interested in such a debate, you’re welcome to open up a new thread.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
This is the silliest thing you have posted to date. Nobody wants to give away half of their stuff (unless you are a monk), but it happens when people divorce. [/quote]
You do know that I was joking right? My friends and I had a good laugh about it.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
ZEB wrote:
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But you already started the discussion. …
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Did you ever read the Christian Bible from cover to cover?
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Have you ever read any of the other books that you mentioned, " Upanishads, Tora, etc.?
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Do you have any specific point relating to your accusation that the Bible is “untrustworthy” relative to it’s historical accounts of record?
I’d rather not discuss this in a thread labeled “proof gay marriage is wrong”, but to make you happy, dear ZEB:
- I 've read large parts of the Bible, most of it I consider anyway unreadable.
- Most of the aforementioned books I read at least partly. But that wasn’t my point.
What I find more important, is the fact that they contradict each other while some of them (Tora, Koran, Bible) claim to be the universal truth. Strange isn’t it?
- I already mentioned some of them:
the story of the flood is pure myth
the whole thing about the ark is crap
King Salomon is propaganda/crap
You’re free to comment, which I will read in return, but not answer in this thread, because I feel this would correspond to thread-hijacking.
If you are truly interested in such a debate, you’re welcome to open up a new thread.[/quote]
The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. Every great religion says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, if we consider EVERY religion to somehow be the revealed word of God, God says it is wrong ALL THE TIME. You may disagree about some things but if that message appears in every religion, then it seems the Lord is making sure we all get the message.
If you are an atheist, as most Europeans are, I know you’ll dismiss all religion as hokum. But I say: if you believe and you’re wrong, you really lose nothing. If you believe and your right, then you get to be with God for eternity. (Thank you Blaise Pascal!) Cool.
Hi Zeb
I shiver when social science studies are brought in to add weight, as on the whole, they are diabolical.
These points are valid, and lets say these statistics are true. However, wht none of these points ever really lets us now is WHY these discrepancies occur. In saying that if we do bad thing, bad things happen, is no explanation. It is a spandral, an assumption that looks at some facts and comes up with an oversimplification, or incorrect answer.
Of course, it could also be exactly correct, but then that would require testing, and backing up.
As with all things, The depths in which we tend to look at these things is limited by our genuine interest, time and intelligence. There will be a few behavioral geneticists out therewho may have more effective and cogent answers.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. Every great religion says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, if we consider EVERY religion to somehow be the revealed word of God, God says it is wrong ALL THE TIME. You may disagree about some things but if that message appears in every religion, then it seems the Lord is making sure we all get the message.
If you are an atheist, as most Europeans are, I know you’ll dismiss all religion as hokum.
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Most Europeans aren’t atheists, but it’s safe to assume that many youths see no point in religion. Therefore, traditional churches have trouble recruiting “new souls”.
As far as I know, the Bible and the Tora have negative opinions about homosexuality. I haven’t found anything in the Koran, there is but one passage which could mention homosexuality, so basically it’s all exegesis.
Since all these three religions are of the same mesopotamic origin, no wonder they are so similar.
Shinto doesn’t damn homosexuality though. Nor does Hinduism, judging from the writings I have studied.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
But I say: if you believe and you’re wrong, you really lose nothing. If you believe and your right, then you get to be with God for eternity. (Thank you Blaise Pascal!) Cool.
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Well, if your god has such a bizarre understanding of the afterlife (heaven or hell) I really don’t wanna meet him.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. Every great religion says that homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, if we consider EVERY religion to somehow be the revealed word of God, God says it is wrong ALL THE TIME. You may disagree about some things but if that message appears in every religion, then it seems the Lord is making sure we all get the message.
If you are an atheist, as most Europeans are, I know you’ll dismiss all religion as hokum.
Most Europeans aren’t atheists, but it’s safe to assume that many youths see no point in religion. Therefore, traditional churches have trouble recruiting “new souls”.
As far as I know, the Bible and the Tora have negative opinions about homosexuality. I haven’t found anything in the Koran, there is but one passage which could mention homosexuality, so basically it’s all exegesis.
Since all these three religions are of the same mesopotamic origin, no wonder they are so similar.
Shinto doesn’t damn homosexuality though. Nor does Hinduism, judging from the writings I have studied.
Headhunter wrote:
But I say: if you believe and you’re wrong, you really lose nothing. If you believe and your right, then you get to be with God for eternity. (Thank you Blaise Pascal!) Cool.
Well, if your god has such a bizarre understanding of the afterlife (heaven or hell) I really don’t wanna meet him. [/quote]
No problem there. You will not. If you are a lesbian and know better, you will not. I do know who you will meet.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I do know who you will meet.
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No you don’t. You may know many things, but not that.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
No problem there. You will not. If you are a lesbian and know better, you will not. I do know who you will meet.
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That’s exactly what I mean. If your god bans lesbians from his party, I’d rather stick with S…omeone else.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And I would like you to point out one error regarding history in the Christian Bible.
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are you joking?
[quote]cadav wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And I would like you to point out one error regarding history in the Christian Bible.
are you joking?
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Not at all kidding. And he has not done it yet!
Schwarzfahrer:
That you would mention the flood is sort of surprising as there are hundreds of civilization on earth which acknowledge that there was a flood of some magnitude long ago.
"Two senior scientists from Columbia University have proposed a theory that a massive transfer of water occurred about 5600 BCE - over seven and a half millennia ago. They wrote: “Ten cubic miles of water poured through each day, two hundred times what flows over Niagara Falls.”
“The Bosporus flume roared and surged at full spate for at least three hundred days.” 60,000 square miles of land were inundated. 1 The Black Sea shoreline significantly expanded to the north and east. The lake’s its water level was raised many hundreds of feet. It changed from a fresh-water landlocked lake into a salt water lake connected to the world’s oceans.
They have drawn on the findings of experts in agriculture, archaeology, genetics, geology, language, development of textiles and pottery, etc. They postulate that this deluge had catastrophic effects on the people living on the shore of the Black Sea. It triggered mass migrations across Europe and into the Near East, Middle East and Egypt.
It may have been the source of many flood stories in the area. Some researchers believe that the story of Noah’s flood in the Biblical book of Genesis is a myth that had its origin in this cataclysmic event.
A book by William Ryan and Walter Pitman describes one of the most fascinating scientific puzzles of recent years. We found it far more riveting than any detective novel."
Keep in mind that anyone can open to a page in the Bible and say “that didn’t happen.”
How can I “prove” that David killed Goliath, for example.
However, you cannot prove that David did not kill Goliath!
However, the Bible has been proven correct by many archeological digs:
"At the turn of the century, skeptics viewed the Bible as myth rather than real world history . For example, the Bible makes over 40 references to the great Hittite Empire.
You see, 100 years ago, no archaeological evidence had ever been found to prove it really did exist. “Just another Bible myth!” skeptics charged in an attempt to destroy our faith in the Bible. This, however, cannot be said today, for in 1906, Hugo Winckler uncovered a library of 10,000 clay tablets.
These ancient records fully documented the long lost Hittite Empire and confirmed the reliability of the Bible. Later excavations uncovered Boghazkoy, the capital city of this “mythical” empire."
Read on:
http://www.bible.ca/b-archeolgy.htm
"Archeological discoveries of the recent past, however, have thoroughly discredited the idea that the Bible is just a collection of folktales. And most scholars, even nonreligious ones, have gained a healthy respect for the historical record of Scripture.
To be sure, many details have not been and never can be independently verified, but so much of the cultural context and so many details have been verified that we can be confident in concluding that the Bible is a book rooted in real history."
Read on:
http://www.cog7.org/BA/BAPrint/01-BibleHistory-E.html
I am sure there are many people who have swallowed the liberal line on the Bible. One that says “it’s a fairy tale.” However, after doing some research it is easy to see why the Bible has stood the test of time! Not just as a “holy scripture” but as an historical document!
I am not trying to turn this thread into a “the Bible as history” thread. However, you made the accusation that the Bible is all fairy tales and nothing could be further from the truth.
I also think that by seeing the Bible as correct also buoys my point regarding homosexuality as being sin according to the Christian Bible.